Mark 16: 9-20 inspiration, God or man?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,091
3,682
113
#81
Satan isn’t in hades or hell right now. Hell is empty. Hades, where all the dead not saved by grace are, has an exponentially growing population. Hell is the eternal darkness and the lake of fire where the unsaved will go after judgement. There’s no distinction in the KJV. The word for everlasting only applies to the chains on the fallen angles yet KJV uses everlasting and eternal vs ages and other descriptors of the passage of time.
There is a difference between hell and the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Judgment. Read Revelation 20.
 
W

WIbaptist

Guest
#82
There is a difference between hell and the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Judgment. Read Revelation 20.
No, hades is a place of torment for unbelievers to await judgement. Hell is the lake of fire they go to with Satan and his angles after the judgement.
 
W

WIbaptist

Guest
#83
There is a difference between hell and the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Judgment. Read Revelation 20.
Read something besides the KJV.
 
W

WIbaptist

Guest
#85
There is a difference between hell and the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Judgment. Read Revelation 20.
Death and hades give up their dead then death and hades are cast into the lake of fire, hell.
 
W

WIbaptist

Guest
#86
No thanks. It's the source of truth.

You don't like the word hell because it's too offensive.
I prefer accurate translations of the words actually used.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,091
3,682
113
#87
No, hades is a place of torment for unbelievers to await judgement. Hell is the lake of fire they go to with Satan and his angles after the judgement.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 

oldhermit

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2012
9,144
614
113
70
Alabama
#88
There is a difference between hell and the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Judgment. Read Revelation 20.
Actually John, it reads, "Καὶ ὁ Θάνατος καὶ ὁ ᾍδης (hades) ἐβλήθησαν εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρός…"
This is from the Textus Receptus text.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
#91
I see you guys discussing HELL and I wanted to point out a few things/oddities found in a scripture about hell.....

Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Hell is from....

sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which people descend at death)

herself is from

nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

Wonder why it is described in the feminine and described as living.........the word her mouth is simply mouth and is masculine in scope in the Hebrew..........could be just the way it is classified.....anyway...My view is a literal place where the lost who have died are stored until the Great White Throne judgment of Revelations 20........then moved to the lake of fire...........but the above is interesting--->I.E. the way it is identified.....

Thoughts?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#92
My friend, I don't know how else to say this. Believers will walk the earth. Okay, so does that mean because a believer isn't literally walking the earth and are handicap, they aren't a believer? No. But believers do walk the earth. Much like how believers have healed the sick, raised the dead, spoken in tongues, and so on.

The way you're reading that verse forces it to mean something that isn't intended. It is a stating of facts. The way you're taking it literal and emphasizing it to be applicable individually as opposed to corporately, is incorrect.
My friend,

The passage says they will, it does not say they might

My argument with you is not that children of God will never do those things, or they never have, i would be wrong if i think this

My discussion is about what the passage says.

The passage says they (all believers) will, it does not say they might.

I can not twist the word of god to make it say what i want, i must take it at its word,

If this is inspired, it is in error (just like believe and be baptized is in error)

Gods word can not be in error, so i can not consider these words inspired.
 
W

WIbaptist

Guest
#93
Sheol is the Hebrew word used in the Old Testament. It is the Greek words used and mistranslated in the KJV that are currently in contention. Im not sure why it was described the way it was in the original Hebrew.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#94
No thanks. It's the source of truth.

You don't like the word hell because it's too offensive.
What a joke, you can not read the persons mind.

Hell is real. And it is eternal, and me believing hades is cast into hell does not mean it is too offensive,

 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#95
They will and did, and do though, no? Why do you assume every single believer has to do these things (as if its a list that needs ticking off to validate the individual)? People do cast out devils. People do speak in tongues. People do get bitten and not die. People do lay hands on the sick and they do get healed. Every single one of the things you listed has occurred in church history.

I don't understand your interpretation that necessitates that a believer meet all of that criteria. God's word says that your sons will prophesy. Have all of our sons prophesied, young men had visions, and old men dream dreams? Some have, yes. It is speaking to what will occur through believers. It doesn't mean a believer will do all of those things.
A person would have to look the spiritual understanding hid in those signs in that parable that follow those believe. Without parables Christ the Holy Spirit of God spoke not. (God's poetic or signified language)

They are not signs a person seeks after as if Christ was promoting a sign and wonders gospel . That kind of idea is left for a evil generation that walks by sight lusting after the emotions of the flesh and not by the faith that alone comes from the scriptures.

All believers prophesy by bringing prophecy the word of God The commandment to go out into the world still applies .God is no longer brining any new prophecy. Revelation is the last book before he sealed up the possibility for more.

Throughout the scriptures God uses poison of serpents to represent false doctrine coming from false apostles as false prophecy. Drinking poison and not being hurt simply means that false doctrine will not affect a believe who will not go above all thing written in the law and the prophets. or called sola scriptura. Nothing magical or mystical if a person would search for the spiritual understanding hid in that parable . It just seems to excide those who walk by sight as a false wonderment .

When a person finds a passage like that in Mark they must compare it to the whole Bible with any thing that is related to the parable. Comparing the spiritual understanding or called the hidden mana in Revelation 2 hid in parables to the same spiritual must be sought out.

Now we have received, not the "spirit of the world", but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:12-14
 

oldhermit

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2012
9,144
614
113
70
Alabama
#96
Sheol is the Hebrew word used in the Old Testament. It is the Greek words used and mistranslated in the KJV that are currently in contention. Im not sure why it was described the way it was in the original Hebrew.
Sheol is comparable to the Greek hades. It is interesting that sheol is represented as a feminine noun while hades is a masculine noun yet both refer to the same state of being for the dead.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,091
3,682
113
#97
The KJV is in error on that translation.
Even today in the modern Greek language, the word αδης (hades) means HELL. If you look up the word "hell" is says αδης, and if you go to the Greek to English side of the dictionary and look up αδης it defines it as HELL; Hades. Hades is a transliteration and Hell is a translation into English of what the word means.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,091
3,682
113
#98
Sheol is comparable to the Greek hades. It is interesting that sheol is represented as a feminine noun while hades is a masculine noun yet both refer to the same state of being for the dead.
Are these dead in torment as in hell? Or just resting like the RCC would like you to believe?
 

oldhermit

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2012
9,144
614
113
70
Alabama
#99
Even today in the modern Greek language, the word αδης (hades) means HELL. If you look up the word "hell" is says αδης, and if you go to the Greek to English side of the dictionary and look up αδης it defines it as HELL; Hades. Hades is a transliteration and Hell is a translation into English of what the word means.
John, it really does not matter how we have come to understand the word hades in our language. The question is, what does the word mean in its original language? Hades NEVER means hell. Hades and hell are two entirely different states and are represented by two entirely different words in the Greek. The KJV has simply missed it.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,091
3,682
113
What a joke, you can not read the persons mind.

Hell is real. And it is eternal, and me believing hades is cast into hell does not mean it is too offensive,
ESV Relelation 20
13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

ESV Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Is it hell or hades? What's the difference? Is this the same word translated? Make up your mind.