I Ask Myself, Why?

[JaumeJ]

The Good Shepherd teaches He has Two Flocks, the Original Israel, and that Second Flock Gentiles. He teaches He is bringing the two together.

Why then, since Jesus ascended have men worked so hard to separate Hebrews and Gentiles.

It is written we have become fellow heirs with Israel.

Why then do so many ignore this and speak of separate family in our King? If you read the Old Testament you will fine Yahweh, God, declares HImself our King, our Husband and our Redeemer. This being the case, who is man to separateJesus, Yeshua from the Father? I ask myself why?

It all began with certain who claimed to worship God disliked the remaining Jews in Jesus so much they did not want to have anything to do with them, even though they are of the original Flock...……….a feeling and trnd to separating from the heirs.

They even go so far as to call Jerusalem, the one of this age, the Jerusalem of our FAther, and we know the Word teaches the New Jerusalem of our Father is to be brought down from Heaven. The Jerusalem of this age is of the slave, Hagar, and is nothing more than the staging froud for the last days, the senter of this age's power will reside there. So why to people who claim to believe the kWord belivee there is anyting that resembles God's Jerusalem here on earth? even the ark of the covenant is in heaven……….. Does anyone actually read the Word? I ask why not?

God bless all who are made sons of Abraham by faith in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm dont know what you trying to ask or who you addressing...but thought came to me that Jesus had no honor as a Prophet in his own country. So many of his own tried to kill him and he was betrayed by his own brothers as it was. It was so bad the persecution of beliving jews by unbelieving jews that there were riots. Something had to give...and Jesus comissioned Paul to go to the gentiles since many jewish people werent listening. Unbeliving jews had always stayed in their own tightknit circle, resisiting attempts to convert or be persuaded that Jesus is their Messiah, so when any of their own show they believe in Jesus they are immediately disowned and cut off from the group.

As for jews and gentiles being one I think both sides need to work more with reconciliation rather than oppose each other. I dont know who is claiming Jerusalem there now is of God when God had called ichabod on it but the thing is thats where Jesus is set to return making it New. He hasnt called any other place. For example, Jesus isnt going to bring down the kingdom to salt lake city, utah. Or new York. Or rio. We have no continuing city, but we seek one to come. See hebrews 13:15

 

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The problem is that the Jews still hate, blaspheme and mock the name and person of Jesus from the Talmud to standup comics...
Those who hate us and hate Jesus also hate their Father in heaven.
Read the minor prophets which have the most information on the second coming of Christ Jesus and wonder why is it that pretty well
all of Jerusalem and the Jews will be destroyed again (similar to 70AD)?

 

[JaumeJ]

Hmm dont know what you trying to ask or who you addressing...but thought came to me that Jesus had no honor as a Prophet in his own country. So many of his own tried to kill him and he was betrayed by his own brothers as it was. It was so bad the persecution of beliving jews by unbelieving jews that there were riots. Something had to give...and Jesus comissioned Paul to go to the gentiles since many jewish people werent listening. Unbeliving jews had always stayed in their own tightknit circle, resisiting attempts to convert or be persuaded that Jesus is their Messiah, so when any of their own show they believe in Jesus they are immediately disowned and cut off from the group.

As for jews and gentiles being one I think both sides need to work more with reconciliation rather than oppose each other. I dont know who is claiming Jerusalem there now is of God when God had called ichabod on it but the thing is thats where Jesus is set to return making it New. He hasnt called any other place. For example, Jesus isnt going to bring down the kingdom to salt lake city, utah. Or new York. Or rio. We have no continuing city, but we seek one to come. See hebrews 13:15

Thank you for attmpting to respond to the post.

 

[JaumeJ]

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The problem is that the Jews still hate, blaspheme and mock the name and person of Jesus from the Talmud to standup comics...
Those who hate us and hate Jesus also hate their Father in heaven.
Read the minor prophets which have the most information on the second coming of Christ Jesus and wonder why is it that pretty well
all of Jerusalem and the Jews will be destroyed again (similar to 70AD)?

This brings to mind clearly the reference in Revelation to "those who say they are Jews and are not." This is the distinction many make in error throwing all Jews into the same arena,and not realizing all who love God are praisers of God, that is what Jew means.

 

[CharliRenee]

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for " whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved Romans 10:12‭-‬13 NASB

 

[Blik]

There was so much prejudice against the Jews at the time of Christ that Christianity could not have been accepted by gentiles if they thought they must accept Jewish cultural ways to accept Christ.

When the temple was destroyed and most Jews had to leave their land to go to Babylon, the religious structure they had was destroyed. Their worship life had revolved around the temple and the priests, it was now gone. They created rabbis and synagogues so their worship could continue. The problem was that they decided the rabbi had power to give interpretations of scripture that was considered as true as scripture. They even called these scripture interpretations the law. They are written down in the midrash and the Talmud. Both Christ and Paul spoke against these man made laws. They help separate Jew and Gentile, they are still listened to today.

Christians are not separating what the OT tells them and how Jews interpret the OT. When Paul calls these interpretations the laws of Moses, or the traditions, Christian put it all together with all the OT. Christians label it all Judaism instead, making the separation of Jew and gentile even greater.

 

[wolfwint]

The Good Shepherd teaches He has Two Flocks, the Original Israel, and that Second Flock Gentiles. He teaches He is bringing the two together.

Why then, since Jesus ascended have men worked so hard to separate Hebrews and Gentiles.

It is written we have become fellow heirs with Israel.

Why then do so many ignore this and speak of separate family in our King? If you read the Old Testament you will fine Yahweh, God, declares HImself our King, our Husband and our Redeemer. This being the case, who is man to separateJesus, Yeshua from the Father? I ask myself why?

It all began with certain who claimed to worship God disliked the remaining Jews in Jesus so much they did not want to have anything to do with them, even though they are of the original Flock...……….a feeling and trnd to separating from the heirs.

They even go so far as to call Jerusalem, the one of this age, the Jerusalem of our FAther, and we know the Word teaches the New Jerusalem of our Father is to be brought down from Heaven. The Jerusalem of this age is of the slave, Hagar, and is nothing more than the staging froud for the last days, the senter of this age's power will reside there. So why to people who claim to believe the kWord belivee there is anyting that resembles God's Jerusalem here on earth? even the ark of the covenant is in heaven……….. Does anyone actually read the Word? I ask why not?

God bless all who are made sons of Abraham by faith in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.

Why, because this is in Gods Plan and will have an end, when the the Nations marching against Jerusalem. Then Israel will turn to Christ and except Him as son of God and Messajah. Not before.

 

[CharliRenee]

remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. and he came and preached peace to you who were far away , and peace to those who were near ; So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:12‭-‬17‭, ‬19‭-‬22 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/eph.2.12-22.NASB

 

[JaumeJ]

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for " whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved Romans 10:12‭-‬13 NASB

This is truth, however it bears no influence on the quote, albeit paraphrased, from Rev.

 

[unclesilas]

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for " whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved Romans 10:12‭-‬13 NASB

There is no distinction in the Christian faith between Jew and Gentile, but there are multiple prophecies specifically concerning the Jews in the last days. One is separate, and one is not

 

[CharliRenee]

This is truth, however it bears no influence on the quote, albeit paraphrased, from Rev.

Not sure what you mean, what quote? Do you mean the verse in Rev 3:9 the verse that says some who says they are jew are not, I read that as those who say they call on the name of the Lord, but really do not, not in their hearts.

and...

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV

And
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 NASB

 

[noblenut]

romans says the jews are still loved on account of the patriarchs and that God has handed them over to rebellion to have mercy on them

 

[CharliRenee]

There is no distinction in the Christian faith between Jew and Gentile, but there are multiple prophecies specifically concerning the Jews in the last days. One is separate, and one is not

To be honest, I think that I do not understand Rev enough yet to speak on it...

But are we not....

counted as seeds of Abraham, so I am not sure exactly what you are saying. I know we are used to bring them back to Him..and they brought Him to the non jew nations...

And He, Praise the Lord, brought us together, in one Body, the body of Christ!!!

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 2:28‭-‬29 NASB

 

[Lanolin]

Jamuel are you talking of palestine vs israel when you refer to Hagar and Jerusalem. Well Ishmael was abrahams son yes but not the heir like isaac and jacob who is Israel is. However Ishmael also obtained a blessing to become a great nation.
Its Esau, Jacobs brother who missed out on the firstborn blessing though he sought it with tears he gave it up for a bowl of stew. The descendants of esau still live in palestine which is I suppose meant to be Israels promised land and thats where the troubles come from.

As far as jews and gentiles go, i am not sure if esaus descendants are included in what the jews say are gentiles. Gentiles are people outside of israel, maybe even outside of abrahams line. Through Jesus they are grafted into israel...but not sure what God will do with Esau, its seems in the Bible that he made himself throughly reprobate and thus all his dsecendants couldnt even enter in. But I could be wrong.

Esaus descendants may be the ones who call themselves people of the Book today...those that follow islam, muslims because they recognise abraham as their father. Same with Ishamel who was from Hagar but also from abraham. The family tree is rather complicated but this is what the Bible shows us.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

The Good Shepherd teaches He has Two Flocks, the Original Israel, and that Second Flock Gentiles. He teaches He is bringing the two together.

Why then, since Jesus ascended have men worked so hard to separate Hebrews and Gentiles.

It is written we have become fellow heirs with Israel.

Why then do so many ignore this and speak of separate family in our King? If you read the Old Testament you will fine Yahweh, God, declares HImself our King, our Husband and our Redeemer. This being the case, who is man to separateJesus, Yeshua from the Father? I ask myself why?

It all began with certain who claimed to worship God disliked the remaining Jews in Jesus so much they did not want to have anything to do with them, even though they are of the original Flock...……….a feeling and trnd to separating from the heirs.

They even go so far as to call Jerusalem, the one of this age, the Jerusalem of our FAther, and we know the Word teaches the New Jerusalem of our Father is to be brought down from Heaven. The Jerusalem of this age is of the slave, Hagar, and is nothing more than the staging froud for the last days, the senter of this age's power will reside there. So why to people who claim to believe the kWord belivee there is anyting that resembles God's Jerusalem here on earth? even the ark of the covenant is in heaven……….. Does anyone actually read the Word? I ask why not?

God bless all who are made sons of Abraham by faith in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.

I agree that it is difficult where to put Israel and its current expression of belief in the context of Jesus.
We are the people of God, His Kingdom, His ambassadors.

I am struck by Paul going to the celebration of being purified at the temple before he was arrested by the jews.

The problem comes when believers become obligated to follow ceremonies or traditions from the law, when the
truth is within Jesus and His freedom in love and the Holy Spirit.

What also concerns me is the persecution and expulsion of believers from Israel by both the Jewish and
muslim communities. Rather than seeing people a good contributors to society things are becoming very
sectarian which has never historically led to peace but violence.

So I am challenged that in this world of division we need to learn how to be lights and to bring people back to their
life of love and commitment to family and the community.

 

[JaumeJ]

It should be simple to put things in context since the New Testament in th Epistles tells us we are become fellow heirs with Israel.

Jesus tells us we are mad sons of Abraham.

Israel means to rule with Elohanu, God.

People have strayed so far from our original learning due to this mistaken notion that worhiping Je4sus Christ as coverted to the Faith of Abraham is being Judaized………..what does this mean in the Word? It certainly does not mean being converted to Israel,, but to the oral traditions of non-believeing Jews.

If you do not know these things from study and prayer, please do me a favor, study, believe God and learn what we are in Yeshua, Jess.

Now that reference to Revelation is the only place where it is written about those who say they are Jews and are not, no complication here,none whatsoever.

God bless all who do not mind bein paisers of Yahweh……….the Word God may be used as long as you know yu are making reference to the God of Israel, for that wod comes from Sanskrit and before, whereas Yahweh is most likely the only name known to Israel until Jesus, Yeshua.

 

[Blik]

Why, because this is in Gods Plan and will have an end, when the the Nations marching against Jerusalem. Then Israel will turn to Christ and except Him as son of God and Messajah. Not before.

God is preparing the way for this to happen, and we are to listen to God so we can be used best for His plan. We have just begun to evolve from such as "the Lord turned His back on the Jews for denying Him" "now we are the chosen people" "don't listen to the OT it is for the Jews and has strange laws." When we can understand the Lord clearly we can be instruments for His plan.

Zech. 8:23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”

 

[JaumeJ]

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for " whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved Romans 10:12‭-‬13 NASB

Your quote from Scripture is absolutely true, however it is speaking of the Spiritual recognition of all who believe Jesus. It speaks of our Father's view, not of man's.

My post is relating to how man has strayed from the understanding of believers who learned from the Apostles and from Jesus Christ the faith of Abraham............

 

[posthuman]

Your quote from Scripture is absolutely true, however it is speaking of the Spiritual recognition of all who believe Jesus. It speaks of our Father's view, not of man's.

My post is relating to how man has strayed from the understanding of believers who learned from the Apostles and from Jesus Christ the faith of Abraham............

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They have made Me jealous with what is not God; They have provoked Me to anger with their idols. ​

So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation ​

(Deuteronomy 32:21) ​

perhaps it is in type, as they did to Him -- until that day He reconciles all things to Himself

When the Lord saw that Leah was hated, He opened her womb, but Rachel was barren.
(Genesis 29:31)​