Not By Works

[Budman]

Here you go people of this wonderful thread. FollowHisSteps is truly "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Clothing."
It is only his sugar coated flowery language that is a cover up for his deeply rooted anger.

Use caution ahead -- counterfeit gospel at work.

Glad I put that charlatan on ignore a while ago.

 

[VCO]

You are one of the most dishonest people I have ever seen in my life

A clown could not have said something funnier in their life. If grace101 is the most dishonest person
you have met in your life, you have never gone and done anything, or else you are lying about your experience.

I would suggest to be nice to you, you are just joking

As you talk about honesty so much, can you be honest and just listen and respond in a nice polite manner
and present your point, rather than the full on assault of the marines going to war. But maybe this is all
you know, because those attacked normally just fold and pack up and leave, or get upset and retaliate.

I wish they had a wet sponge image, because that is
what I will give this, a nice face wash, thankyou. Praise the Lord for His grace and forgiveness.

Now I KNOW FOR SURE that is a total falsehood. You have NO Idea, about dishonesty. In my opinion, it appears you may be proving yourself a deceiver and one who is being deceived. How SAD. If you cannot back up your accusations, you would to well, not to say anything.

Grace101 was put on my IGNORE LIST a LONG TIME AGO, and he EARNED IT.
Now you are inches away from going there too, and you appear to be EARNING IT TOO with that RUDE REMARK.

WHERE is Your GOD GIVEN LOVE, . . . . . We are not seeing it ? ? ?

Isn't your attitude more like THIS:

Romans 1:29-31 (NCV)
29 They are filled with every kind of sin, evil, selfishness, and hatred. They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, lying, and thinking the worst about each other. They gossip
30 and say evil things about each other. They hate God. They are rude and conceited and brag about themselves. They invent ways of doing evil. They do not obey their parents.
31 They are foolish, they do not keep their promises, and they show no kindness or mercy to others.

So WHERE IS YOUR LOVE ? ? ?

1 Corinthians 13:4-5 (NCV)
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud.
5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done.

 

[Argueless]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile under the new covenant......both are saved eternally by grace through faith no strings attached or religious hoops to jump through.......

WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM (John 3:15,16,18) *This is not limited to the Jews.

Romans 9:30 - What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. Jews only huh?

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Jews only huh?

Romans 11:25 - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience. Jews only huh?

*Does Romans 5:15-18; 6:23; 8:30 and Ephesians 2:8 also only apply to Jews? NO.

I'm not a 5 point Calvinist and I already understand about Romans.

Now these CLAIMERS are already CLAIMING the GIFTS and CALL given to ISRAEL as His people even long before God's GRACE and MERCY reached the GENTILES through CHRIST's sacrifice because of their (ISRAEL) DISOBEDIENCE.

Assuming that THEIR CLAIM is TRUE, then these (DOUBLE TALKING) CLAIMERS must have received the LAW OF MOSES as well and are therefore considered UNDER THE LAW.

... the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.... Romans 9:1-33

NIV1984 Malachi 4:1-4 The Day of the Lord “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the Lord Almighty. “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

One in Christ
...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. Ephesians 2:11-22

Maybe these CLAIMERS should show us the scriptures which will prove their CLAIM that SALVATION was IRREVOCABLY given ETERNALLY, no matter how they say it.

...Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD; obey it, and repent. But IF YOU DO NOT WAKE UP, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

... for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4

...“Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Revelation 16:15

 

[VCO]

GodsGrace101:

You seem to use a lot of BORING symbols on your reviews. You do know that you have the right to leave anytime you want?

Now isn't that just extremely RUDE.
My Grandmother used to say, if you have nothing good to say about someone, it is better if you just say nothing at all.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5 (NCV)
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud.
5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done.


So where is your GOD GIVEN LOVE, . . . . . We do not SEE IT ? ? ?

 

[dcontroversal]

Now these CLAIMERS are already CLAIMING the GIFTS and CALL given to ISRAEL as His people even long before God's GRACE and MERCY reached the GENTILES through CHRIST's sacrifice because of their (ISRAEL) DISOBEDIENCE.

Assuming that THEIR CLAIM is TRUE, then these (DOUBLE TALKING) CLAIMERS must have received the LAW OF MOSES as well and are therefore considered UNDER THE LAW.

... the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.... Romans 9:1-33

NIV1984 Malachi 4:1-4 The Day of the Lord “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the Lord Almighty. “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

One in Christ
...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. Ephesians 2:11-22

Maybe these CLAIMERS should show us the scriptures which will prove their CLAIM that SALVATION was IRREVOCABLY given ETERNALLY, no matter how they say it.

...Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD; obey it, and repent. But IF YOU DO NOT WAKE UP, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

... for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4

...“Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Revelation 16:15

You must be one of the densest people I have ever seen post on this site and exactly why most of the time I ignore your Catholic drivel and the fact that you are just like the other two posting that were previously banned....the entire WORLD IS PROVEN GUILTY BY THE LAW and shuts the mouth of the entire world GENIUS <-ROMANS 3....so your drivelistic post, once again has no value because it is based on a false pretense....Maybe read about Gentiles doing by nature those things contrary to the law and how that in and of itself becomes a LAW UNTO THEM.......you probably won't understand that truth either!!

 

[dcontroversal]

GodsGrace101:

You seem to use a lot of BORING symbols on your reviews. You do know that you have the right to leave anytime you want?

Now isn't that just extremely RUDE.
My Grandmother used to say, if you have nothing good to say about someone, it is better if you just say nothing at all.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5 (NCV)
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud.
5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done.


So where is your GOD GIVEN LOVE, . . . . . We do not SEE IT ? ? ?

She will turn this around on me because I call a spade a spade and cut her no slack.....You know...Jesus, John the IMMERSER, Paul, ELIJAH and a few others raked the false teachers of their day over the coals with very pointed and direct comments, names, titles, etc. while using sarcasm and heated language....and yet still had love while doing it......people are so easily offended in this day and age......a sure sign of immaturity......sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me......the truth cuts.....that is for sure!!

 

[dcontroversal]

You know....I love the truth and absolutely despise those that devalue the truth, Jesus, his power, his promises, his WORD........I know I cut a few on here no slack and say very pointed things, harsh things....I may apologize for my tone, but I will never apologize for my stance against those that peddle false gospels and or those that cannot be honest or those that embellish things we say beyond what we have said.........Eternity is at stake for those on the fence and or those that have devalued the work of Jesus on our behalf.....and untold millions pour into hell anually because of ignorance and or false religion!

 

[Argueless]

John 14:15 - “If you love Me, you will "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch) My commandments. - https://biblehub.com/greek/5083.htm

Working for salvation (primarily salvation maintained by works) is implied throughout yours and others posts: #81,925; #86,537; #88,465; #88,475; 88,487; #89,008; #89,788; #90,041; #90,299; #90,391; #90,425; #90,600; #90,668; #90,829 etc.. etc..

In the past on Christian Chat, I've had discussions with multiple works-salvationists and here are some quotes from them below:

Roman Catholic - "We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father."

Church of Christ (Campbellism) - "It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit."

Seventh Day Adventist - "There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."

You must be one of the densest people I have ever seen post on this site and exactly why most of the time I ignore your Catholic drivel and the fact that you are just like the other two posting that were previously banned....the entire WORLD IS PROVEN GUILTY BY THE LAW and shuts the mouth of the entire world GENIUS <-ROMANS 3....so your drivelistic post, once again has no value because it is based on a false pretense....Maybe read about Gentiles doing by nature those things contrary to the law and how that in and of itself becomes a LAW UNTO THEM.......you probably won't understand that truth either!!

Just show us where in the bible can we find a verse which says that "SALVATION was IRREVOCABLY given ETERNALLY".

You're so proud of yourself and your behavior is so FAMILIAR.

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:4,8-10,16-19

 

[dcontroversal]

Just show us where in the bible can we find a verse which says that "SALVATION was IRREVOCABLY given ETERNALLY".

You're so proud of yourself and your behavior is so FAMILIAR.

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:4,8-10,16-19

You really must be dense.......or wilfully blind to the truth. Notice he does not say temporal life based upon performance and he uses the verbiage NEVER PERISH.....you obviously do not know or believe in the Jesus of the bible!!

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Here you go people of this wonderful thread. FollowHisSteps is truly "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Clothing."
It is only his sugar coated flowery language that is a cover up for his deeply rooted anger.

Use caution ahead -- counterfeit gospel at work.

Hi TT,

Thank you for attempting to address what I am saying. It is much appreciated.
As I stated previously, I am following the theology as stated in the Nazarene Church.
Saying this is a counterfeit good news, you need to say what is counterfeit to have any
legitimacy.

Saying language is sugar coated but angry is also odd. God bless you my friend.
How is my language rooted in anger? If I am just sharing Gods word and His victory,
and the Kingdom is founded on love and passion for the King and His will, it is just
your feelings of anger that you feel not mine.

Only false teachers take your approach, speaking out of pure emotional hurt.
Normally there is a reason why an individual is spoken to like this. You mention none.
I do sense you have great anger, and a desire to destroy another. In biblical terms this
would be called hate. Where there is hate, God does not reside, so I counsel to repent
of this hate, and seek God for forgiveness and restitution, God bless you.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Now I KNOW FOR SURE that is a total falsehood. You have NO Idea, about dishonesty. In my opinion, it appears you may be proving yourself a deceiver and one who is being deceived. How SAD. If you cannot back up your accusations, you would to well, not to say anything.

Grace101 was put on my IGNORE LIST a LONG TIME AGO, and he EARNED IT.
Now you are inches away from going there too, and you appear to be EARNING IT TOO with that RUDE REMARK.

WHERE is Your GOD GIVEN LOVE, . . . . . We are not seeing it ? ? ?

Isn't your attitude more like THIS:

Romans 1:29-31 (NCV)
29 They are filled with every kind of sin, evil, selfishness, and hatred. They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, lying, and thinking the worst about each other. They gossip
30 and say evil things about each other. They hate God. They are rude and conceited and brag about themselves. They invent ways of doing evil. They do not obey their parents.
31 They are foolish, they do not keep their promises, and they show no kindness or mercy to others.

So WHERE IS YOUR LOVE ? ? ?

1 Corinthians 13:4-5 (NCV)
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud.
5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done.

Hi vco,

I wonder, you love certain individuals, above how they share or what they are saying.
Emotion blinds people, especially when attacked. "So and so is so evil we can be as rude and
untruthful as we like because they are our enemy."

Now I am using humour and pointing out the lies being used, and saying this is just conflict
not discussion. And you are calling this rude behaviour. All this does is say where your heart
is and who you are loyal to. Good for you my friend, the world operates like this.

The heart who follows Jesus is loyal to Him and sharing love and care for all. We shine a light
on obvious sin, obvious abuse. If as a brother in Christ one condones such behaviour, it speaks
about them not me, my brother, and what they actually are.

God bless you, and may the Lord bring wisdom in your heart to know His will, Praise the Lord.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I've had discussions with people on Christian Chat (and other Christian forums) in the past who claimed to be living a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Jesus lived) 100% of the time. They were all eventually banned and such people are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

mmd, There is an ironic reality.

If one believes one is sinless, living in perfection, one has become God, because only God knows,
and one is judging oneself and saying I am acceptable. As Paul says only God can do this.

So in a sense raising oneself up to this position is a sin. It maybe true, which is why are are called
to live a pure, Holy, life. On top of this, holiness is not concerned with its own state but just shinning
and sharing love.

I also find it odd when to talk about struggles and victory is deemed boasting and evil.
How are we to encourage one another to live like Jesus and gain victory if we do not share the same?
We become what we encourage, and avoid what we discourage.

So if we encourage and boast about compromise and how sinful we are, and discourage talking about
good works, works of service and love, we are encouraging evil and discouraging good, the exact opposite
of the gospel.

So those who behave like this, cannot claim to know Jesus as they work against the Kingdom and its ways.
It is why I love the Holiness movement, because it is the greatest encouragement to walk towards our
goal of walking in the Spirit and being like Jesus and fulfilling His promise through the Holy Spirit.

Halleluyah, Glory to Jesus for the cross and His victory, bringing us the great hope of the way.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Glad I put that charlatan on ignore a while ago.

Hi Bud,

I am on your ignore list? I wonder how true this is.
We need guys like you, the cynic in the corner who wants proof like Thomas of Christ.
It all falls apart if you are not prepared to resolve your heart and stay a putrid mess, and not be cleansed
to be a Holy temple of the Holy Spirit. But I believe you think the Holy temple can be polluted and God
does not care.

But read how carefully the priests had to be about purification. Nothing unpurified was allowed in.
The rules were very strong and exact. Anything polluted had to be either cleansed or destroyed.

But now in Christ, a polluted heart, the root of all pollution and desecration in our lives is allowed to
be untouched, and if it gets even worse, that is no problem, God is fine with this.

This is not the Lord of All, who to see is to die, who is so Holy, to even touch something He has declared
Holy will kill us. Only in Jesus are we able to enter the throne room, but some appear to want even to
desecrate this way into the Holy of Hollies.

But as I said, thank you for your cynicism, it is a great help, no matter the other issues you present,
I see a blessing here, Praise the Lord.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You really must be dense.......or wilfully blind to the truth. Notice he does not say temporal life based upon performance and he uses the verbiage NEVER PERISH.....you obviously do not know or believe in the Jesus of the bible!!

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains" John 9:41

Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." John 9:39

Jesus spoke about His sheep, not the hard hearted, who do not know love, and have not a
heart of flesh but only stone. Jesus spoke words of prophecy about their commitment to Him and listening,
and He declared His commitment to them.

If one has never had a broken humble heart, knowing His overflowing grace through the cross, the price of
torturing the Lord of All upon a cross, and He lifted not a word or a finger in protest, that is love, but only
religion and ideas, intellectual assent, then unfortunately the gospel is far from you.

The gospel is a story of the heart, and from our hearts a song of praise rises to the King.

For the LORD takes delight in his people; he crowns the humble with salvation.
Let the saints rejoice in this honor and sing for joy on their beds.
May the praise of God be in their mouths and a double-edged sword in their hands,
to inflict vengeance on the nations and punishment on the peoples,
to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron,
to carry out the sentence written against them. This is the glory of all his saints. Praise the LORD.
Psalm 149:4-9

 

[oldethennew]

really u' all, take a break!!! - breathe and find your heartbeat!!!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

As usual you misapply God's word and you have no credibility zero.

Lol. Is it possible to attack Gods people with the credibility argument?
We are sinners, forgiven and redeemed through the cross. We have no credibility,
we just have Jesus and to Him we point and the work He has done in our lives.

So God bless you, and may you find Hope in Jesus our Saviour and walk in His ways, Amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

really u' all, take a break!!! - breathe and find your heartbeat!!!

I know what you mean. There is though a fundamental issue being disputed here.
Are we to resolve our sinful hearts or merely ignore them?

If I believe in revival and the Holiness movement, this is no idle proposition.
Millions of christians have prayed for such conviction of sin as arose in days of old,
that through Wesleys preaching created a wave of change that lasts to today.

Now to give up on this, is to give up on heaven and the victory we have in Christ.
But the animosity and hatred against this message is so deep and strong, we have no
choice but to challenge it and simply declare the word of praise that rises from our hearts
each and every day. And in the midst of all this, I learn more about Jesus and His message
than I have else where.

It is almost like the enemy refines how to present and how to challenge the hardest hearts.
Jesus himself debated with the religious teachers from His teenage years, and simply observed
who they were and what they did, and respected their strengths and exposed their failures.
So should we, because the issues are on display and disputed across the whole church today,
and His people need His encouragement to rise and testify to His glorious work in their lives.

So join us, and know the work of our great King never stops day or night, Praise His glorious Name.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

1. I love you, O LORD, my strength.
2. The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
3. I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and I am saved from my enemies.
4. The cords of death entangled me; the torrents of destruction overwhelmed me.
5. The cords of the grave coiled around me; the snares of death confronted me.
6. In my distress I called to the LORD; I cried to my God for help. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came before him, into his ears.
7. The earth trembled and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains shook; they trembled because he was angry.
8. Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.
9. He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet.
10. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind.
11. He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him- the dark rain clouds of the sky.
12. Out of the brightness of his presence clouds advanced, with hailstones and bolts of lightning.
13. The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded.
14. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemies, great bolts of lightning and routed them.
15. The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at your rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of breath from your nostrils.
16. He reached down from on high and took hold of me; he drew me out of deep waters.
17. He rescued me from my powerful enemy, from my foes, who were too strong for me.
18. They confronted me in the day of my disaster, but the LORD was my support.
19. He brought me out into a spacious place; he rescued me because he delighted in me.
20. The LORD has dealt with me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands he has rewarded me.
21. For I have kept the ways of the LORD; I have not done evil by turning from my God.
22. All his laws are before me; I have not turned away from his decrees.
23. I have been blameless before him and have kept myself from sin.
24. The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.
25. To the faithful you show yourself faithful, to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
26. to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.
27. You save the humble but bring low those whose eyes are haughty.
28. You, O LORD, keep my lamp burning; my God turns my darkness into light.
29. With your help I can advance against a troop; with my God I can scale a wall.
30. As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.
31. For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
32. It is God who arms me with strength and makes my way perfect.
33. He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he enables me to stand on the heights.
34. He trains my hands for battle; my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
35. You give me your shield of victory, and your right hand sustains me; you stoop down to make me great.
36. You broaden the path beneath me, so that my ankles do not turn.
37. I pursued my enemies and overtook them; I did not turn back till they were destroyed.
38. I crushed them so that they could not rise; they fell beneath my feet.
39. You armed me with strength for battle; you made my adversaries bow at my feet.
40. You made my enemies turn their backs in flight, and I destroyed my foes.
41. They cried for help, but there was no one to save them- to the LORD, but he did not answer.
42. I beat them as fine as dust borne on the wind; I poured them out like mud in the streets.
43. You have delivered me from the attacks of the people; you have made me the head of nations; people I did not know are subject to me.
44. As soon as they hear me, they obey me; foreigners cringe before me.
45. They all lose heart; they come trembling from their strongholds.
46. The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
47. He is the God who avenges me, who subdues nations under me,
48. who saves me from my enemies. You exalted me above my foes; from violent men you rescued me.
49. Therefore I will praise you among the nations, O LORD; I will sing praises to your name.
50. He gives his king great victories; he shows unfailing kindness to his anointed, to David and his descendants forever.
Psalm 18

 

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I know what you mean. There is though a fundamental issue being disputed here.
Are we to resolve our sinful hearts or merely ignore them?

If I believe in revival and the Holiness movement, this is no idle proposition.
Millions of christians have prayed for such conviction of sin as arose in days of old,
that through Wesleys preaching created a wave of change that lasts to today.

Now to give up on this, is to give up on heaven and the victory we have in Christ.
But the animosity and hatred against this message is so deep and strong, we have no
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of course the 'works' of our King never strops- else we couldn't breathe...
choice but to challenge it and simply declare the word of praise that rises from our hearts
each and every day. And in the midst of all this, I learn more about Jesus and His message
than I have else where.

It is almost like the enemy refines how to present and how to challenge the hardest hearts.
Jesus himself debated with the religious teachers from His teenage years, and simply observed
who they were and what they did, and respected their strengths and exposed their failures.
So should we, because the issues are on display and disputed across the whole church today,
and His people need His encouragement to rise and testify to His glorious work in their lives.

So join us, and know the work of our great King never stops day or night, Praise His glorious Name.

1PETER 3:15.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you
a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

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