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Here's what you said again: post 23...
In Christ we died to the law, both moral and otherwise, but through the new birth God's living law (think God's nature) has been written afresh on our hearts (Jer 31). Sorry you can't see that.
What do you mean, then, by "we died to the law" because you DID say both moral and otherwise..
We did NOT die to the moral law.
This is my point.
The moral law is alive in our heart...as you stated.
So if it's alive....it can't be that we died to it.
Also, when Paul speaks of The Law,,,,he means the Law of Moses.
NOT the 10 commandments.
This is very important to know.
In Christ we died to the law, both moral and otherwise, but through the new birth God's living law (think God's nature) has been written afresh on our hearts (Jer 31). Sorry you can't see that.
What do you mean, then, by "we died to the law" because you DID say both moral and otherwise..
We did NOT die to the moral law.
This is my point.
The moral law is alive in our heart...as you stated.
So if it's alive....it can't be that we died to it.
Also, when Paul speaks of The Law,,,,he means the Law of Moses.
NOT the 10 commandments.
This is very important to know.
Because I don't go around seeking to make converts of those who are already Christian to my view of Scripture. You deny we have God's nature so...
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2Pet 1:4
(Eph 4:23) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2Pet 1:4
(Eph 4:23) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Then your contention is with Paul as he used the moral law as an example (coveting-10th Commandment) in Romans 7.
He also repeated the fact that we died to the law in Gal 2.
Our relationship is a living one to a living God.
(2Co 3:7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
(2Co 3:8) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
(2Co 3:9) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
(2Co 3:10) For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
(2Co 3:11) For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
(2Co 3:12) Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
(2Co 3:13) And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
(2Co 3:14) But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
(2Co 3:15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
(2Co 3:16) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
(2Co 3:17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(2Co 3:18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
He also repeated the fact that we died to the law in Gal 2.
Our relationship is a living one to a living God.
(2Co 3:7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
(2Co 3:8) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
(2Co 3:9) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
(2Co 3:10) For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
(2Co 3:11) For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
(2Co 3:12) Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
(2Co 3:13) And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
(2Co 3:14) But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
(2Co 3:15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
(2Co 3:16) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
(2Co 3:17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(2Co 3:18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Don't worry Crossnote...
You won't convert me to your view on scripture!
God bless you.
I agree with your veses,,,i almost quoted them before but I'm too tired right now.
As to the nature of God,,,we are partakes of the DIVINE nature...divine,,,having to do with God.
Partake...taking part in....
Our nature will never be like God's nature.
But it's a close call....we certainly don't have satan's nature, not anymore at least.
You won't convert me to your view on scripture!
God bless you.
I agree with your veses,,,i almost quoted them before but I'm too tired right now.
As to the nature of God,,,we are partakes of the DIVINE nature...divine,,,having to do with God.
Partake...taking part in....
Our nature will never be like God's nature.
But it's a close call....we certainly don't have satan's nature, not anymore at least.
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The above verses are speaking about the difference between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant.
In the M.C. (or Old C.) men tried to keep the law by their own strength.
They failed. This included the 10 commandments.
Where was the power to keep these commandments? It was not present in them.
In the N.C., we have the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus sent for this reason, so that we COULD keep the commandments...
As you've stated,,,it's not that they're abolished...it's that we could now keep them.
Please accept what keep means....
it doesn't mean to keep them perfectly.
Hebrews 7 speaks to this...
but a study of the covenants does explain everything much better.
In the M.C. (or Old C.) men tried to keep the law by their own strength.
They failed. This included the 10 commandments.
Where was the power to keep these commandments? It was not present in them.
In the N.C., we have the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus sent for this reason, so that we COULD keep the commandments...
As you've stated,,,it's not that they're abolished...it's that we could now keep them.
Please accept what keep means....
it doesn't mean to keep them perfectly.
Hebrews 7 speaks to this...
but a study of the covenants does explain everything much better.
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It speaks of the different dispensation of law given on stones and law written in our hearts through the Gospel.
But it has always been by faith as Abraham exempified before the giving of the law. Righteousness was imputed to Him on account of His faith as it is with us.
Hebrews speaks to the fact that through Jesus we have better promises, a better Covenant, a better Sacrifice, a better Priesthood etc., all eternal.
But it has always been by faith as Abraham exempified before the giving of the law. Righteousness was imputed to Him on account of His faith as it is with us.
Hebrews speaks to the fact that through Jesus we have better promises, a better Covenant, a better Sacrifice, a better Priesthood etc., all eternal.
Christs embrace
The incarnation was done to achieve one eternal reality, God is not that different from us.
The reason for our failure and tendency to sin is our lack of communion, embrace of God.
Emotions and actions are connected in us so a random thought or feeling gets put into action.
It is like an out of control lunatic, who could suddenly do anything.
It is love, trust, communion that builds something eternal and significant into eternity.
People feel what they are will be so different in heaven.
This feeling is perpetuated because heaven is so different to here.
But it is the failure of our lives here, its lusts and selfish desires that will be gone, but the rest remains.
And our faith can become an unexpected transformation will take place and we will suddenly become
something different. The most extreme example of this is a christian serial killer who hates God becomes a passive
lover of God because at some point they believed in Jesus against their will.
In our hearts this jump to who God actually is is why Jesus came to walk with the disciples.
He defined what is Gods eternal and absolute intentions for man.
Paul declared everything will be destroyed that is not right. If the foundation is there we will pass into life.
But very much Paul wanted to present the followers of Jesus as pure, holy, blameless people of God acceptable
in His sight.
So put simply it is our running ourselves down and our easy denials and failures that we use to disqualify us
from the prize. But key to this is knowing the way of Jesus and walking it, knowing His love and encouragement.
Listen to Him and find and listen to His words. Let them speak to your heart and embrace you as a chosen
child of the living God, Amen.
The incarnation was done to achieve one eternal reality, God is not that different from us.
The reason for our failure and tendency to sin is our lack of communion, embrace of God.
Emotions and actions are connected in us so a random thought or feeling gets put into action.
It is like an out of control lunatic, who could suddenly do anything.
It is love, trust, communion that builds something eternal and significant into eternity.
People feel what they are will be so different in heaven.
This feeling is perpetuated because heaven is so different to here.
But it is the failure of our lives here, its lusts and selfish desires that will be gone, but the rest remains.
And our faith can become an unexpected transformation will take place and we will suddenly become
something different. The most extreme example of this is a christian serial killer who hates God becomes a passive
lover of God because at some point they believed in Jesus against their will.
In our hearts this jump to who God actually is is why Jesus came to walk with the disciples.
He defined what is Gods eternal and absolute intentions for man.
Paul declared everything will be destroyed that is not right. If the foundation is there we will pass into life.
But very much Paul wanted to present the followers of Jesus as pure, holy, blameless people of God acceptable
in His sight.
So put simply it is our running ourselves down and our easy denials and failures that we use to disqualify us
from the prize. But key to this is knowing the way of Jesus and walking it, knowing His love and encouragement.
Listen to Him and find and listen to His words. Let them speak to your heart and embrace you as a chosen
child of the living God, Amen.
It is an interesting question. Did Abraham lie or only tell part of the truth? Sarah was his sister.
Abimelech did not find out if Sarah was married, he just took her.
God told Abimelech
"You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman."
Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.
Now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all yours will die."
Gen 20:6-7
Abraham is a good example of Gods hand of blessing and His judgements are not simple.
God will prosper His ways and intention, and no one will stand in His way. Praise the Lord.
Abimelech did not find out if Sarah was married, he just took her.
God told Abimelech
"You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman."
Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.
Now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all yours will die."
Gen 20:6-7
Abraham is a good example of Gods hand of blessing and His judgements are not simple.
God will prosper His ways and intention, and no one will stand in His way. Praise the Lord.