Creation of universe

[KelbyofGod]

If God created the universe in six ordinary days, then it adds upto nearly 6000 years from today. If so, how do we see the stars which are beyond 6000 light years? If we see a star which is 10000 light years away means, the star exists for at least 10000 years. If the age of universe is 6000 years, then it would take another 4000 years to see that star. Any thoughts??

I'll share what God told me when I asked him about some of this stuff.

My question to him was basically "Did you really create all this stuff in 6 calendar days? That honestly sounds a bit far fetched."

His answer to me was (paraphrased) "I didn't say it was 6 calendar days. Man made that declaration. I said there was not something, then I made the something, and THAT constituted a day." (again, that's paraphrased)

Great question. Keep pondering stuff like that. And don't be afraid to ask God directly. God's word says he is "able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask, or think." That's a bold statement and I think it's worth taking him up on the challenge. Thank you Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

BTW, for those who think it was a calendar day...please explain which part would take him an hour.

 

[Noose]

I'll share what God told me when I asked him about some of this stuff.

My question to him was basically "Did you really create all this stuff in 6 calendar days? That honestly sounds a bit far fetched."

His answer to me was (paraphrased) "I didn't say it was 6 calendar days. Man made that declaration. I said there was not something, then I made the something, and THAT constituted a day." (again, that's paraphrased)

Great question. Keep pondering stuff like that. And don't be afraid to ask God directly. God's word says he is "able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask, or think." That's a bold statement and I think it's worth taking him up on the challenge. Thank you Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

BTW, for those who think it was a calendar day...please explain which part would take him an hour.

I have forgiven you.

 

[KelbyofGod]

I have forgiven you.

Hi Noose!
I appreciate the good will, but may I ask for what you have forgiven me?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Noose]

Hi Noose!
I appreciate the good will, but may I ask for what you have forgiven me?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

For cracking my ribs.

 

[KnowMe]

For cracking my ribs.

Ahh that can be taken out it will grow back no worries,

 

[tourist]

From a Jewish calander date the birth of abram was at 1948.

That's the year that Israel became officially established again under the auspices of the United Nations.

 

[Oseas]

[QUOTE="Oseas, post: 3881773, member: 28181]There is not any half-truth in my post, unless you believe not in the Word of God.

Psalm 90:4 - 4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

II Pet. 3:8 - 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

That is exactly what is exposed in the Time Table of my post. God counts times different of us, of course. One Day with the Lord is as thousand years and a thousand years as one Day. Really is very very different.

Turn down the rhetoric and make at least a half-hearted effort to understand what I wrote.

When you try to argue that one day to the Lord is 1,000 years to us, you're promoting half-truth, because you are ignoring the other half of the verse. You posted them yourself: if a thousand years are as a watch in the night, they aren't the same as a day. If 1,000 years to the Lord are as a day to us, then one day is not exclusively 1,000 years.

These verses are not talking about absolutes, but relative comparisons. They are similes employed to teach us that God is not limited to time the way we are. They are not indications of telescoped history. Indeed they cannot be, because of the fact that the time frames are inconsistent.

If and only if both passages excluded the second comparison, you might have a point. They don't, and so you don't either.

You're fairly new here, so I'll give you some free advice: focus on the ideas rather than the person presenting them. There will be people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean they don't read, understand, or believe Scripture. They probably have good reasons for their perspective, just as you do.[/QUOTE]


What prevails is the Word of God.

The Word of God says: What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of MAN which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (God is a title, the Word is God, God is Spirit)

God said to the prophet Ezekiel: 4:v.6 - And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah (40) forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. (So 40 days = 40 years of 365 days per year in accord Christian calendar today). As we can see, God knows perfectly how MAN counts time. So 40 days = 40 years is what God said to the prophet.

Ps.90:v.4 - 4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night (as a day of 24 hours). (Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

Moses in his pray said: Teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. (Ps.90:v.12)

Moses said more in his pray:

1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in ALL generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. (God is a title. The Word is God, from everlasting to everlasting, that is without beginning, nor ending)
3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night (as a day of 24 hours). (Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.
5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13 Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.

 

[KnowMe]

I'll share what God told me when I asked him about some of this stuff.

My question to him was basically "Did you really create all this stuff in 6 calendar days? That honestly sounds a bit far fetched."

His answer to me was (paraphrased) "I didn't say it was 6 calendar days. Man made that declaration. I said there was not something, then I made the something, and THAT constituted a day." (again, that's paraphrased)

Great question. Keep pondering stuff like that. And don't be afraid to ask God directly. God's word says he is "able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask, or think." That's a bold statement and I think it's worth taking him up on the challenge. Thank you Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

BTW, for those who think it was a calendar day...please explain which part would take him an hour.

I agree and over the ages especially when the invention of modern clocks came about, folks have looked at the morning and evening statement as being a whole day cause we think in time clocks. the people of long ago didn’t have that luxury of knowing the time when sun light first appears and the sun rises above the horizon as well when the sun went below the horizon yet still is light and no stars can be seen.

to tell time they used the sun casting shadows and counted stars at night to know time. that part in morning and evening when light is present but no sun or stars to know what time it was, they had to use another way to know it, it was equal to a biblical mile, how long it takes to walk a mile about 18 minutes.

thus morning and evening was a period of unknown time frame and taught as such to them.

the Hebrew clock back in the day started with the first glimmer of the sun rising above the horizon and the night started with the first three stars appearing, an hour in those days was not 60 minutes.

 

[KnowMe]

I find it interesting on how they knew time at night, after the appearance of the three stars started the first watch, once they had 3 watches and then moved to a 4 watch system consisting of 3 stars each instead of 4 stars per watch. 18 stars all together was counted but only 12 was considered night.

the moon is always rising and setting at exactly twelve hours each day, but the day light is in flux except for 2 days out of the year. cause the moon rotates around the earth at the same distance but the earth rotates around the sun in a oblong state thus the seasons.

 

[KnowMe]

That's the year that Israel became officially established again under the auspices of the United Nations.

If I’m not mistaken, it was 1948 from Abraham to Christ.

 

[Dino246]

Turn down the rhetoric and make at least a half-hearted effort to understand what I wrote.

When you try to argue that one day to the Lord is 1,000 years to us, you're promoting half-truth, because you are ignoring the other half of the verse. You posted them yourself: if a thousand years are as a watch in the night, they aren't the same as a day. If 1,000 years to the Lord are as a day to us, then one day is not exclusively 1,000 years.

These verses are not talking about absolutes, but relative comparisons. They are similes employed to teach us that God is not limited to time the way we are. They are not indications of telescoped history. Indeed they cannot be, because of the fact that the time frames are inconsistent.

If and only if both passages excluded the second comparison, you might have a point. They don't, and so you don't either.

You're fairly new here, so I'll give you some free advice: focus on the ideas rather than the person presenting them. There will be people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean they don't read, understand, or believe Scripture. They probably have good reasons for their perspective, just as you do.

What prevails is the Word of God.

The Word of God says: What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of MAN which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (God is a title, the Word is God, God is Spirit)

God said to the prophet Ezekiel: 4:v.6 - And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah (40) forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. (So 40 days = 40 years of 365 days per year in accord Christian calendar today). As we can see, God knows perfectly how MAN counts time. So 40 days = 40 years is what God said to the prophet.

Ps.90:v.4 - 4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night (as a day of 24 hours). (Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

Moses in his pray said: Teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. (Ps.90:v.12)[/QUOTE]
So kind of you to provide more evidence that refutes your argument and supports mine.

Again, because Scripture gives several different analogies to "a day", it does not necessarily mean 1,000 years.

Your statements like, "What prevails is the Word of God" are an irrelevant appeal to authority... not to the authority of Scripture, which is legitimate, but to your interpretation of it, which is not.

 

[Oseas]

In all my seventy four years, I have never seen or heard anything like that. Neither do I have any interest in such ramblings.

I understand, you "never seen or heard anything like that" because the time has arrived when the people do not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts have they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and turning away their ears from the truth and turn to the fables. As was prophesied and it is fulfiling literally, saying: (1Tim.4:v.1-2) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Thes.2:v.3 - 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day (the Lord's Day) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

What is your background and your religion please?

I work with the Word of God. As you know, God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, that is without beginning, nor ending. He that is of God hears God's words. He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I certify you that what I have posted is not after any man, for I did not receive it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation. I do not work with speculations, and presumptions, and suppositions, but revelation.

Grace and peace be from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father. To Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[cv5]

If I’m not mistaken, it was 1948 from Abraham to Christ.

Nope. 2322 +/- 5 years. Read my earlier post.

 

[PS]

I understand, you "never seen or heard anything like that" because the time has arrived when the people do not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts have they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and turning away their ears from the truth and turn to the fables. As was prophesied and it is fulfiling literally, saying: (1Tim.4:v.1-2) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Thes.2:v.3 - 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day (the Lord's Day) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.


I work with the Word of God. As you know, God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, that is without beginning, nor ending. He that is of God hears God's words. He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I certify you that what I have posted is not after any man, for I did not receive it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation. I do not work with speculations, and presumptions, and suppositions, but revelation.

Grace and peace be from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father. To Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

RED: That is what I think you have done and that is why I am putting you on ignore.

 

[cv5]

Nope. 2322 +/- 5 years. Read my earlier post.

Nope. 2322 +/- 5 years. Read my earlier post.

Time spans before Abraham are completely unknown. Speculation does little good, however
I estimate that there must be at least 50,000 years if not more to creation. And perhaps 20,000 years to the Flood. The 9700 BC disaster which wiped put the Giza complex, and other Megalithic sites and which destroyed the earlier highly advanced civilization including Atlantis was IMO the Babel disaster, not the Flood.

But practically ALL KNOWLEDGE before the Sumerians (who emerged about 3500 BC from the Babel survivors) is lost, unless it is hidden. The vast underground Giza complex may in fact be one of the halls of records for these ancient records IMO.

And all of this is speculation with very little in the way of data points, however the incredible megalithic monuments worldwide (and the former advanced technology) is unquestionably a FACT.

 

[NayborBear]

I understand, you "never seen or heard anything like that" because the time has arrived when the people do not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts have they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and turning away their ears from the truth and turn to the fables. As was prophesied and it is fulfiling literally, saying: (1Tim.4:v.1-2) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
2 Thes.2:v.3 - 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day (the Lord's Day) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.




I work with the Word of God. As you know, God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, that is without beginning, nor ending. He that is of God hears God's words. He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I certify you that what I have posted is not after any man, for I did not receive it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation. I do not work with speculations, and presumptions, and suppositions, but revelation.

Grace and peace be from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father. To Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I agree man! He told me in a mite different manner however.

"The beatings will continue, until morale improves!"

"The times? They are a changin'!"

There is such a void caused by traditions of man, that the Word of God, doesn't get much attention these last days.

And, it's not that the Bible doesn't contain the Word of God. As much as there is MUCH MORE of the Word of God, that isn't IN the Bible!

Therefore? LOSE tradition/s? Gain MORE Word of God!

 

[KnowMe]

Nope. 2322 +/- 5 years. Read my earlier post.

Time spans before Abraham are completely unknown. Speculation does little good, however
I estimate that there must be at least 50,000 years if not more to creation. And perhaps 20,000 years to the Flood. The 9700 BC disaster which wiped put the Giza complex, and other Megalithic sites and which destroyed the earlier highly advanced civilization including Atlantis was IMO the Babel disaster, not the Flood.

But practically ALL KNOWLEDGE before the Sumerians (who emerged about 3500 BC from the Babel survivors) is lost, unless it is hidden. The vast underground Giza complex may in fact be one of the halls of records for these ancient records IMO.

And all of this is speculation with very little in the way of data points, however the incredible megalithic monuments worldwide (and the former advanced technology) is unquestionably a FACT.

that is interesting, I didn’t know of the Gaza circa being distroyed, I’ve read some believe it was a volcano eruption in the area.

something I’ve read as well, the measured height of the Gaza pyramid times 1 trillion equals the distance from earth to the sun. it is a wonder how they built it with such precision.

 

[Oseas]

So kind of you to provide more evidence that refutes your argument and supports mine.

Actually the problem is that your human arguments have not the support of the Word of God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I do not speak in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Again, because Scripture gives several different analogies to "a day", it does not necessarily mean 1,000 years. Your statements like, "What prevails is the Word of God" are an irrelevant appeal to authority... not to the authority of Scripture, which is legitimate, but to your interpretation of it, which is not.

He that is of God hears God's words. He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.
I work with the Word of God. As you know, God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, that is without beginning, nor ending.

That is what I think you have done and that is why I am putting you on ignore

What you say is not an argument. The Word of God says: We can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. The Word of God is Truth. By the way, God is a title, the Word is God, I do not know word more powerful than the Word of God.

 

[Dino246]

Actually the problem is that your human arguments have not the support of the Word of God.

The Scripture says otherwise. You quoted it yourself; go back and check.

The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Good of you to explain your lack of understanding in such stark terms.

I do not speak in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Well... aren't you the self-righteous one today. What you claim in this regard is irrelevant and holds absolutely no merit for supporting your position.

I work with the Word of God.

So you should know it better than your argument indicates.

What you say is not an argument.

Apparently you also don't understand what an argument is. We each made one. The evidence you provided for your argument actually supported mine.

When you're ready to discuss this without throwing your rather insignificant spiritual weight around, let me know.

 

[AxeElf]

Xian Logic 101:


1. God said we would be hated for telling the truth.

2. I am hated.
________________________________________________________

3. Therefore, I must be telling the truth.