Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
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Dear tourist,
Well, honestly, I am NOT really impress with the number of postings that you have accomplished here on this forum... if that is why you even brought it up as a subject matter as well.
However, I do realize that I must have hit a sensitive nerve with regards to your traditional view and understanding of the Scripture with my posts - which, perhaps, gave you the excuse to ambush our discussion and criticize / judge me personally, based on our aggressive disagreement of the matter.
I am sure this things happens all the time to all message board or forum site… that’s why there is always a Moderator to control the debates and discussions. Therefore, you are out of line and NOT your place to to butt in just like that and judge me - just because you also differ to my Biblical Stand… and obviously bias to the other person.
Finally, I must ask you…. Is there something you wish to refute regarding to my posts or Biblical Stand? or is there something you have a question about that you don't understand????
Just write them here and I will be glad to explain them for you. I would be happy to help.
Well, honestly, I am NOT really impress with the number of postings that you have accomplished here on this forum... if that is why you even brought it up as a subject matter as well.
However, I do realize that I must have hit a sensitive nerve with regards to your traditional view and understanding of the Scripture with my posts - which, perhaps, gave you the excuse to ambush our discussion and criticize / judge me personally, based on our aggressive disagreement of the matter.
I am sure this things happens all the time to all message board or forum site… that’s why there is always a Moderator to control the debates and discussions. Therefore, you are out of line and NOT your place to to butt in just like that and judge me - just because you also differ to my Biblical Stand… and obviously bias to the other person.
Finally, I must ask you…. Is there something you wish to refute regarding to my posts or Biblical Stand? or is there something you have a question about that you don't understand????
Just write them here and I will be glad to explain them for you. I would be happy to help.
I was merely stating that due to the infrequency of your posts you really don't know the members who are frequent contributors very well. You have to understand that some of us have been together months and years and that we are family, and I personally do not appreciate when a member is made fun, called names, or belittled for the mere reason that their views may be contrary to your own.
You have hurled a considerable number of insults in this thread and that is just poor forum decorum and reflects badly on yourself. What it comes down to is that it takes quite awhile to earn respect here and that it is generally not tolerated when an unknown entity tries to push his weight around. Perhaps you would consider becoming a frequent contributor to the forums and join our family as well. At the moment you are really just an outsider with a chip on his shoulder. It doesn't have to be that way because it is your choice to be a positive force or a negative force.
I am not at all questioning your view and understanding of scripture in any way because due to your relatively few posts I have no idea where you stand. Regardless, you have every right to express your views but keep in mind that others have the same right too.
You have hurled a considerable number of insults in this thread and that is just poor forum decorum and reflects badly on yourself. What it comes down to is that it takes quite awhile to earn respect here and that it is generally not tolerated when an unknown entity tries to push his weight around. Perhaps you would consider becoming a frequent contributor to the forums and join our family as well. At the moment you are really just an outsider with a chip on his shoulder. It doesn't have to be that way because it is your choice to be a positive force or a negative force.
I am not at all questioning your view and understanding of scripture in any way because due to your relatively few posts I have no idea where you stand. Regardless, you have every right to express your views but keep in mind that others have the same right too.
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Dear tourist,
I believe that you are just making our small isolated discussion incident sounds like a very serious heated argument.
If so, then show us the actual quotes where you believe that I hurled considerable number of insults in this thread, instead of continuing to accuse me of something I feel not justified based on your objection without merit.
In fact, I feel that your false accusations are surpassed only by your ability to ambush someone you know nothing about. Again, do you have anything more to say or do you just wish to post ad hominems?
Either debate the topic or get out of this thread. I will appreciate it very much if you stop projecting your own weaknesses upon me. Thank you.
I believe that you are just making our small isolated discussion incident sounds like a very serious heated argument.
If so, then show us the actual quotes where you believe that I hurled considerable number of insults in this thread, instead of continuing to accuse me of something I feel not justified based on your objection without merit.
In fact, I feel that your false accusations are surpassed only by your ability to ambush someone you know nothing about. Again, do you have anything more to say or do you just wish to post ad hominems?
Either debate the topic or get out of this thread. I will appreciate it very much if you stop projecting your own weaknesses upon me. Thank you.
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This excerpt of your response to KnowMe (#152) caught my eye and that I found distasteful, arrogant and condescending.
[Huh!? So, you don’t believe what the Scripture is saying, do you? And you have the audacity to use the Scripture and argue about something you know nothing about? Come on man, get real and don't waste my time anymore.
Clearly, here’s what the Scripture tells us… and both Science and Scripture agree that man was formed from the dust - contrary to your IGNORAMUS position of the matter.]
I hope that this clarifies my position as it currently exists. I believe that we are through here - it's been a slice but it is time for me to move forward once again.
[Huh!? So, you don’t believe what the Scripture is saying, do you? And you have the audacity to use the Scripture and argue about something you know nothing about? Come on man, get real and don't waste my time anymore.
Clearly, here’s what the Scripture tells us… and both Science and Scripture agree that man was formed from the dust - contrary to your IGNORAMUS position of the matter.]
I hope that this clarifies my position as it currently exists. I believe that we are through here - it's been a slice but it is time for me to move forward once again.
K
Thanks tourist
I do admire a lot of things you say you have great insight on things and know how to get peoples attention without being to assertive, like the post you made hear in this thread humbled me and made me look at my own actions and learned which means a lot to me thanks again.
I used ignorant which was distasteful as well, thus I think caused the poster to use ignoramus or other choice words, that ol saying (tasted of my own medicine)
So in that I do apologize to all that I said that’s ignorant, or prideful or any other distasteful words.
I do admire a lot of things you say you have great insight on things and know how to get peoples attention without being to assertive, like the post you made hear in this thread humbled me and made me look at my own actions and learned which means a lot to me thanks again.
I used ignorant which was distasteful as well, thus I think caused the poster to use ignoramus or other choice words, that ol saying (tasted of my own medicine)
So in that I do apologize to all that I said that’s ignorant, or prideful or any other distasteful words.
Correct, and BELOW is what I was responding to... giving back his own medicine...
See, I was right, you were just making an excuse to ambush the discussion with your ad hominems simply because my post is exposing the FLAWS of your Scriptural and doctrinal teachings.
A side from that quote, you have nothing to show to justify your false accusation of..."that I hurled considerable number of insults in this thread",
Do you want to try to defend your shakey Biblical Stand? If not, then, keep moving out of this thread!
See, I was right, you were just making an excuse to ambush the discussion with your ad hominems simply because my post is exposing the FLAWS of your Scriptural and doctrinal teachings.
A side from that quote, you have nothing to show to justify your false accusation of..."that I hurled considerable number of insults in this thread",
Do you want to try to defend your shakey Biblical Stand? If not, then, keep moving out of this thread!
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.
Then WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact. It's PROOF of God……
Our God is an Awesome God.
Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.
Then WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact. It's PROOF of God……
Our God is an Awesome God.
I agree that our God is awesome.
I disagree with "energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter." Light and heat are energy, and they appear physically, but only light is visible. In fact, all forms of energy appear physically, though not visibly. The very word "physically" implies "physics", the interaction between energy and matter... and yes, I do understand Einstein's equations of special and general relativity.
God didn't make matter out of energy; rather, He made matter and energy out of nothing physical. He spoke both into existence. God is spirit, not energy and not matter.
I disagree with "energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter." Light and heat are energy, and they appear physically, but only light is visible. In fact, all forms of energy appear physically, though not visibly. The very word "physically" implies "physics", the interaction between energy and matter... and yes, I do understand Einstein's equations of special and general relativity.
God didn't make matter out of energy; rather, He made matter and energy out of nothing physical. He spoke both into existence. God is spirit, not energy and not matter.
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Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Again, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Once again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.
God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.
The emergence of Light (a physical energy matter) was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.
Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?.
Based on the cited Scripture below - which I couldn't NOT argue about - is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Then, on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.
Our God is an Awesome God.
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Again, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Once again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.
God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.
The emergence of Light (a physical energy matter) was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.
Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?.
Based on the cited Scripture below - which I couldn't NOT argue about - is the answer for it tells us where God lives:
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Then, on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.
That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.
Our God is an Awesome God.
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