What I object to is a bloodless gospel. Only the blood of Christ can atone for sin. Water baptism cannot fulfill the essential atonement made by the blood of Christ. Christ did all that God the Father required to redeem our souls. We are made alive by the Holy Spirit the moment we believe that Christ takes our sin and gives us eternal life. Water baptism is not essential for salvation and not required to receive the Holy Spirit.
We are saved by grace or we are not saved. Unsaved folks going about to establish this and that as necessary for salvation is just what religious folks do instead of simply trusting Christ.
I have no problem with you quoting the word of God it is just that you draw entirely incorrect conclusions about the scripture you cite. It requires the presence of the Holy Spirit to reach the correct conclusions and the Holy Spirit only abides in hearts that have been quickened by grace.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are saved by grace or we are not saved. Unsaved folks going about to establish this and that as necessary for salvation is just what religious folks do instead of simply trusting Christ.
I have no problem with you quoting the word of God it is just that you draw entirely incorrect conclusions about the scripture you cite. It requires the presence of the Holy Spirit to reach the correct conclusions and the Holy Spirit only abides in hearts that have been quickened by grace.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
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