Twinkling of an eye

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SpoonJuly said:
All the saved from Adam until the last person to be saved will be in the first resurrection.
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Okay so the Two Witnesses who (after having been killed) "stood upon their feet" (once "the Spirit of life from God entered into them" after they had been physically "dead" and lay in the street of the great city 3.5 days) at the time of the "6th Trumpet[events]/2nd Woe" (this being BEFORE "the third woe cometh quickly" that is connecting with the "7th Trumpet [events]/3rd Woe"... and then the Vials after that (which take some time, when you read all they entail)…

So "ALL" (all saints of all times) are resurrected at the "6th Trumpet/2nd Woe" time slot (along with the Two Witnesses), according to you??

None of this (idea) matches "but EACH [G1538] IN HIS OWN ORDER" that 1Cor15:23 speaks of, and that IS Scripture (I pointed out).
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Okay so the Two Witnesses who (after having been killed) "stood upon their feet" (once "the Spirit of life from God entered into them" after they had been physically "dead" and lay in the street of the great city 3.5 days) at the time of the "6th Trumpet[events]/2nd Woe" (this being BEFORE "the third woe cometh quickly" that is connecting with the "7th Trumpet [events]/3rd Woe"... and then the Vials after that (which take some time, when you read all they entail)…

So "ALL" (all saints of all times) are resurrected at the "6th Trumpet/2nd Woe" time slot (along with the Two Witnesses), according to you??
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The two witnesses are resurrected IN THE FLESH as was Lazarus and even Jesus.
At the first resurrection, at the last (seventh) trump, all the dead whose names are written in the book of life will be resurrection with a GLORIFIED BODY and those who are alive will be changed ( receive a glorified body), "in a moment, in thee twinkling of an eye".

Many have been resurrected ( returned to physical life). This resurrection is all about putting on the new body.

This will be a one time event.
It will include ALL the saved.
It will be the FIRST resurrection.
It will be at the LAST trump.
It will happen "IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE".

Very simple---Just read and believe.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
The two witnesses are resurrected IN THE FLESH as was Lazarus and even Jesus.
At the first resurrection, at the last (seventh) trump, all the dead whose names are written in the book of life will be resurrection with a GLORIFIED BODY and those who are alive will be changed ( receive a glorified body), "in a moment, in thee twinkling of an eye".

Many have been resurrected ( returned to physical life). This resurrection is all about putting on the new body.
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Are you saying that Jesus still awaits His "glorified body"? [at the future "7th Trumpet"?]
 
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Now that is a foolish question---
He has ascended to Heaven and no flesh shall be in Heaven.
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I believe He "[active] I ascend" ON FIRSTFRUIT (His Resurrection Day) which is what He was telling Mary Magdalene to "go to My brethren, and SAY UNTO THEM," thus He fulfilled Leviticus 23:10-12 ON the VERY DAY ["FF", 1Cor15:20] (in Heaven, in His "[ACTIVE] I ascend" THAT DAY, after speaking with MM), and then it was later that same evening that He tells the disciples to "handle Me... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have." In His [some-]40-days-later VISIBLE ascension, references to this one are always in the passive (whereas the other, 40-days-earlier ON FF, is said to be "[ACTIVE] I ascend/go").

So I disagree that He waited some 40 days before obtaining a glorified body. He had this at His "resurrection" and also "[actively] ascended" THAT VERY DAY.

He wasn't just telling Mary Magdalene to tell them something He could have easily said to them Himself when He saw them later that same evening. He was saying something He was doing NOW (not 40 days later!) [John 20:17; Lev23:10-12; 1Cor15:20; etc]

The two witnesses are resurrected IN THE FLESH as was Lazarus and even Jesus.
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I believe He "[active] I ascend" ON FIRSTFRUIT (His Resurrection Day) which is what He was telling Mary Magdalene to "go to My brethren, and SAY UNTO THEM," thus He fulfilled Leviticus 23:10-12 ON the VERY DAY ["FF", 1Cor15:20] (in Heaven, in His "[ACTIVE] I ascend" THAT DAY, after speaking with MM), and then it was later that same evening that He tells the disciples to "handle Me... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have." In His [some-]40-days-later VISIBLE ascension, references to this one are always in the passive (whereas the other, 40-days-earlier ON FF, is said to be "[ACTIVE] I ascend/go").

So I disagree that He waited some 40 days before obtaining a glorified body. He had this at His "resurrection" and also "[actively] ascended" THAT VERY DAY.
He wasn't just telling Mary Magdalene to tell them something He could have easily said to them Himself when He saw them later that same evening. He was saying something He was doing NOW (not 40 days later!) [John 20:17; Lev23:10-12; 1Cor15:20; etc]
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So Jesus' glorified body had open wounds in His hands, feet and side?
I don't think so.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I believe He "[active] I ascend" ON FIRSTFRUIT (His Resurrection Day) which is what He was telling Mary Magdalene to "go to My brethren, and SAY UNTO THEM," thus He fulfilled Leviticus 23:10-12 ON the VERY DAY ["FF", 1Cor15:20] (in Heaven, in His "[ACTIVE] I ascend" THAT DAY, after speaking with MM), and then it was later that same evening that He tells the disciples to "handle Me... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have." In His [some-]40-days-later VISIBLE ascension, references to this one are always in the passive (whereas the other, 40-days-earlier ON FF, is said to be "[ACTIVE] I ascend/go").

So I disagree that He waited some 40 days before obtaining a glorified body. He had this at His "resurrection" and also "[actively] ascended" THAT VERY DAY.

He wasn't just telling Mary Magdalene to tell them something He could have easily said to them Himself when He saw them later that same evening. He was saying something He was doing NOW (not 40 days later!) [John 20:17; Lev23:10-12; 1Cor15:20; etc]
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Luke 24:39
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit HATH NOT FLESH AND BONE, AS YE SEE ME HAVE".

Do you believe the Scripture?
 
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Bind God's Word to your forehead, but instead of a phylactery, use your brain as the container'...

If we don't relent in Bible-Study, what now appears muddy shall become clear -
If we hear and heed what we read, The Spirit will lead us to safe-ground...'
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SpoonJuly said:
Luke 24:39
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit HATH NOT FLESH AND BONE, AS YE SEE ME HAVE".

Do you believe the Scripture?
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I just got done saying, that before this scene (which was later that evening, Lk24:39), Jesus had told Mary Magdalene (early in the day): "Jesus says to her, "Do not touch Me, for not yet have I ascended [perfect indicative active] to the Father. Now go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending [present indicative active; or, I ascend (active)] to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"

I believe Him. Yes.

He did this THAT VERY DAY [ON "FIRSTFRUIT" Lev23:10-12! fulfilling this!] (His "Resurrection Day")



["and he said to them, 'Having gone, say to this fox, Lo, I cast forth demons, and perfect cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am being perfected [G5048 - teleioumai ]" Lk13:32]
 
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...so there is also a greater/bigger picture in this.

"and He raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly realms IN Christ Jesus" Eph2:6
 
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"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who in view of the joy lying before Him endured the cross, having despised its shame, and sat down [perfect indicative active] at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2




[Acts 13:33 - "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."]
 
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'Great Peace have they that Love Thy Law,
and 'nothing shall offend them'.

this is a Scripture that I try and pray every night,
and it almost always calms me and puts me into a
state of comfort that gives me rest...
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I just got done saying, that before this scene (which was later that evening, Lk24:39), Jesus had told Mary Magdalene (early in the day): "Jesus says to her, "Do not touch Me, for not yet have I ascended [perfect indicative active] to the Father. Now go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending [present indicative active; or, I ascend (active)] to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"

I believe Him. Yes.

He did this THAT VERY DAY [ON "FIRSTFRUIT" Lev23:10-12! fulfilling this!] (His "Resurrection Day")



["and he said to them, 'Having gone, say to this fox, Lo, I cast forth demons, and perfect cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am being perfected [G5048 - teleioumai ]" Lk13:32]
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Jesus was resurrected in the flesh. He was in the flesh when the event of Luke 24:39 occurred.
The simple truth is--
I do not know exactly when He was glorified (received His glorified body). I can find no Scripture that tells me when.
But if you believe He was in His glorified body when the event of Luke 24:39 took place, please explain how that glorified body was not perfect. It had open wounds in his feet hands and side. That is not perfect.
He said in Luke 24:39 that He was in the flesh. How can you deny that?
 
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SpoonJuly said:
So Jesus' glorified body had open wounds in His hands, feet and side?
I don't think so.
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I believe that Jesus will be the only one in heaven with scars. No open wounds for those would have been healed but visible scars of the crucifixion.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I just got done saying, that before this scene (which was later that evening, Lk24:39), Jesus had told Mary Magdalene (early in the day): "Jesus says to her, "Do not touch Me, for not yet have I ascended [perfect indicative active] to the Father. Now go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending [present indicative active; or, I ascend (active)] to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"

I believe Him. Yes.

He did this THAT VERY DAY [ON "FIRSTFRUIT" Lev23:10-12! fulfilling this!] (His "Resurrection Day")



["and he said to them, 'Having gone, say to this fox, Lo, I cast forth demons, and perfect cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am being perfected [G5048 - teleioumai ]" Lk13:32]
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Something to think about---
You are not talking to a kindergarten class.;)
We understand passive, active, past , present, and future.
There is no need for you to point this out to us.
If you will just state what you want to say, it would be much easer for us to read and understand what you are saying.
All the added stuff just gets in the way.
 
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I believe that Jesus will be the only one in heaven with scars. No open wounds for those would have been healed but visible scars of the crucifixion.
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That may be true, but He will not have open wounds in that heavenly body.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
You highlighted one and left out the other important key factors:

* In my Father's house (heaven)

* I go and prepare a place for you (in the father's house).

* I will come again (back to earth)

* To receive you unto my self that where I am (the Father's house), that you may be also be where I am (The Father's house)

You are misinterpreting the scripture and not taking into consideration other related scriptures. In addition, it is obvious that you are just repeating the false teachings that you have adopted.

John 14:1-3 is a promise from the Lord to go and prepare places for all believers in the Father's house, which could only referring to heaven.

1 Thess.4:13-17 and 1 Cor.15:51-53 is a detailed event of when the Lord comes back to get us and take us back to the Father's house, which is in heaven.
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Good day Waggles!

What could you possible disagree with regarding the scriptures that I posted? They are self explanatory regarding the Father's house, it's location, that Jesus was going there to prepare places for believers and that He would be coming back to get us and take us back to the Father's house.

Your disagreement is not with me, but with the scriptures that I posted.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
Something to think about---
You are not talking to a kindergarten class.;)
We understand passive, active, past , present, and future.
There is no need for you to point this out to us.
If you will just state what you want to say, it would be much easer for us to read and understand what you are saying.
All the added stuff just gets in the way.
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I fully concur with your estimation.
 
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