Is the Great Commission irrelevant for the church now?
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He was not telling them to get baptised and you will have eternal life
He even insisted that the one who came after him was far greater than him, And his baptism (with the Holy SPirit) would be far greater.
Your now back to saying this baptism saved people. Can you make up your mind? Are we saved by faith or faith plus works
He even insisted that the one who came after him was far greater than him, And his baptism (with the Holy SPirit) would be far greater.
Your now back to saying this baptism saved people. Can you make up your mind? Are we saved by faith or faith plus works
1. NO ONE has to prove their faith
This is an interesting idea. I say this because even God declares this is wrong.
12 "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."
Gen 22
Faith only exists when it is acted on. Someone says I can cross this bridge with no problems, yet
refuses to cross the bridge. Now their faith may be true, but until it is acted on, it is not faith it is
just speculation. Equally someone can have no faith and do things that appear to be faith, yet they
are just taking a risk.
So faith only actually exists when it is proven. It is like a promise to do something, is only true when
that thing is done. As soon as you say words equal the reality without it working out, the difference between
claims and reality cannot be seen.
How many people learn to say they love someone and yet when it comes to it they betray them.
Jesus dealt this this issue in a parable
28 There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.'
29 "'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 "Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go.
Matt 21
Words and actions have to tie up to be the truth.
This is an interesting idea. I say this because even God declares this is wrong.
12 "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."
Gen 22
Faith only exists when it is acted on. Someone says I can cross this bridge with no problems, yet
refuses to cross the bridge. Now their faith may be true, but until it is acted on, it is not faith it is
just speculation. Equally someone can have no faith and do things that appear to be faith, yet they
are just taking a risk.
So faith only actually exists when it is proven. It is like a promise to do something, is only true when
that thing is done. As soon as you say words equal the reality without it working out, the difference between
claims and reality cannot be seen.
How many people learn to say they love someone and yet when it comes to it they betray them.
Jesus dealt this this issue in a parable
28 There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.'
29 "'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 "Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go.
Matt 21
Words and actions have to tie up to be the truth.
What was John the Baptist doing in the four Gospels?
Answer: John the Baptist was fulfilling Isaiah's prophesy in Isaiah 40:3 who told us, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
When the "Lord our God" came He told us, "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time (the time of John) the kingdom of God is preached (Luk 16:16 KJV)
The name of the "Lord our God" on earth was JESUS. Praise his wonderful name.
Answer: John the Baptist was fulfilling Isaiah's prophesy in Isaiah 40:3 who told us, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
When the "Lord our God" came He told us, "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time (the time of John) the kingdom of God is preached (Luk 16:16 KJV)
The name of the "Lord our God" on earth was JESUS. Praise his wonderful name.
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Perhaps the KJV may be difficult for some to understand. Here are other translations
New International Version
(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John.
Young's Literal Translation
And all the people having heard, and the tax-gatherers, declared God righteous, having been baptized with the baptism of John,
New Living Translation
When they heard this, all the people—even the tax collectors—agreed that God’s way was right, for they had been baptized by John.
Read the scripture and interpret what it plainly says. If you refuse to and prefer to stick to your own preconceived beliefs about the requirements to be justified under the Gospel of the Kingdom, that is your choice. You are not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
New International Version
(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John.
Young's Literal Translation
And all the people having heard, and the tax-gatherers, declared God righteous, having been baptized with the baptism of John,
New Living Translation
When they heard this, all the people—even the tax collectors—agreed that God’s way was right, for they had been baptized by John.
Read the scripture and interpret what it plainly says. If you refuse to and prefer to stick to your own preconceived beliefs about the requirements to be justified under the Gospel of the Kingdom, that is your choice. You are not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
I can see the difference between EG and you in this matter.
For EG, he believes that the Gospel of Grace, faith apart from works, was also preached in the OT, the 4 Gospels, Early Acts, as it is now being preached after Paul.
For you, you believe that it was always about faith and Works throughout the bible, OT and NT.
For EG, he believes that the Gospel of Grace, faith apart from works, was also preached in the OT, the 4 Gospels, Early Acts, as it is now being preached after Paul.
For you, you believe that it was always about faith and Works throughout the bible, OT and NT.
Incorrect!!
The KJV major problem is it was translated in 1611. Since then the English language has changed. For example the commandment "Thou shalt not kill." is translated "You shall not murder." In 1611 kill meant first degree murder. Here is a file I keep about it.
For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:
Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….
The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:
unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).
Moreover,, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:
ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);
And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)
And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)
Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to one who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
(this phrase is used instead of the word man. NIV uses the word man)
For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:
Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….
The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:
unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).
Moreover,, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:
ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);
And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)
And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)
Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to one who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
(this phrase is used instead of the word man. NIV uses the word man)
You ask what John the Baptist would have said and then try to manipulate the response by giving me verses about what OTHER people said.
The answer to your question, what would John the Baptist have said is given in (Mat 3:1-2)
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The answer to your question, what would John the Baptist have said is given in (Mat 3:1-2)
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.