Someone may have decoded Daniel. Check out www.daniel11truth.com and see what you think.
Is God that cruel?
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The King of Tyre, right? Then explain the plain language in the following:
Eze. 28:13, 14 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
The whole Bible is not symbolic, sometimes it says just what it means.
Eze. 28:13, 14 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
The whole Bible is not symbolic, sometimes it says just what it means.
Let us be honest a bit here.
What is the difference between an animal or man doing an action?
The man has moral responsibility.
Ok so men know right from wrong. But at what age? 5 or 9 or 13 or 25
And once one has moral responsibility is this where sin kicks in?
So I sin, and you are for the fire. So live a clean life, no problems, but lie about something.
Hell fire for all eternity, no excuse or way out.
What about those who are literally too simple to have any responsibility?
What about babies or children? How are they handled?
Some say all innocent kids go straight to heaven. So up to age 12.99999 you are paradise
bound by hit 13, fire for you chum.
And in heaven do people have the potential to grow in knowledge and mature or are we
frozen as we are at the time of death.
To put it mildly we have little guidance in this area, and bit like bombs waiting to go
off. Is it enough to say, it is in Gods hands, and I am not qualified to comment, but I know
in whom I trust and He judges fairly and justly. Or is that a cop out?
What is the difference between an animal or man doing an action?
The man has moral responsibility.
Ok so men know right from wrong. But at what age? 5 or 9 or 13 or 25
And once one has moral responsibility is this where sin kicks in?
So I sin, and you are for the fire. So live a clean life, no problems, but lie about something.
Hell fire for all eternity, no excuse or way out.
What about those who are literally too simple to have any responsibility?
What about babies or children? How are they handled?
Some say all innocent kids go straight to heaven. So up to age 12.99999 you are paradise
bound by hit 13, fire for you chum.
And in heaven do people have the potential to grow in knowledge and mature or are we
frozen as we are at the time of death.
To put it mildly we have little guidance in this area, and bit like bombs waiting to go
off. Is it enough to say, it is in Gods hands, and I am not qualified to comment, but I know
in whom I trust and He judges fairly and justly. Or is that a cop out?
I go with what the Bible states. It is closed until the end times. I've seen too many people claim they deciphered prophecy and predicted dates. Some times a group of people would get together to wait for the end. I'm 71 and seen this several times. I now ignore people who claim to know a soon to come date.
As do those disagreeing with it. Looking at the quinquarticular controversy both sides have scripture proving them. Read the following defenses of both and refute one or both.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
There are a lot of sinners in this world, and they do not belong to God, but they belong to the devil, and the devil does not let the prisoners out of prison, but keeps them there unless they are freed by acknowledging the truth.
There is children of God, so they will be with Him, and where He is at, and there is children of the devil, so they will be with him, and where he is going.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
There are a lot of sinners in this world, and they do not belong to God, but they belong to the devil, and the devil does not let the prisoners out of prison, but keeps them there unless they are freed by acknowledging the truth.
There is children of God, so they will be with Him, and where He is at, and there is children of the devil, so they will be with him, and where he is going.
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If you recall New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven so that God can dwell with his people. I suspect that we will all be in Heaven through the millenium, but after the judgement we will be returned to the new earth and live with God and Jesus who will be in a throne at God's right hand. The apostles will be rulers with God, I assume that to be wherever he may be. Revelation 200:2-3 ( 2 I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. 3 I heard a loud voice out of heaven saying, “Behold, God’s dwelling is with people, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.)
When the New Jerusalem was coming down from Heaven it wasn't now it was after judgment and it would say that Heaven was coming down with the city if it was going to be all encompassing. Angels and other spirits reside in Heaven and most likely will continue living there. Remember the Lords prayer: thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. There is no reason for God to change Heaven and probably not enough room for all the angels anyway on earth.
It bowls me over at times how some believe they are able to !pick our Father's mind."
It is very rewarding to simpley read the Prophets and pray on the readings. This is especially true with Daniel and Revelation. When it unfolds it will be clear to allwho believe God. Until then no mere creture is going to "decode" ur Maker's messages. Do like Mary would do with her Son. When He perplexed her, she would simply keep it in her heart...I suppose until she understood or until God's day of revealing all.………..What a wonderful plan....Prasise God,a emn
It is very rewarding to simpley read the Prophets and pray on the readings. This is especially true with Daniel and Revelation. When it unfolds it will be clear to allwho believe God. Until then no mere creture is going to "decode" ur Maker's messages. Do like Mary would do with her Son. When He perplexed her, she would simply keep it in her heart...I suppose until she understood or until God's day of revealing all.………..What a wonderful plan....Prasise God,a emn