Burial or cremation

[Lanolin]

My point is it is a typically harmless tradition ofman. Our Father's Arm is not shortened that He cannot save nor redeem, not by anyone or anything. Faith tells all this is so, not just those words. God bless you always.

Faith tells us we are saved body soul and spirit.
Unbelief is that it doesnt matter. Another thing Jesus mentioned is that tradtions of men can be harmful eg Pharisees. For example when they paid off people instead of actually looking after their parents. They made it all null and voice by their man made tradition.
Also you arent even addressing the toxic substances and smoke released into the air by burning bodies. If they used the gas for energy or fuel, maybe it wouldnt be harmful. But those gas emissions are extremely toxic to the envrionment.

 

[Lanolin]

Come on folks, do we not have the reality of what happens to a dead body in the ground to know that God does not need this flesh to resurrect a person. The flesh rots, what ever isn't eaten by vermin, and becomes dirt. Even the bones become dust. How many Godly men were buried in the ground with out a modern coffin or embalming? How many died at sea?
How many destroyed in natural disasters and their corps not recoverable?
You blaspheme God to say that; the one who made everything from nothing cannot recover a man for resurrection from even the most broadly scattered ashes. God breathed life into one man and all men receive their mortal life from that single breath; but he can't recover you from dust and Ash? Foolishness!

You dont know the difference between flesh and BONE? you dont know that Jesus bone not one was broken? To fulfill prophecy. A bruised reed he will not break!

 

[JaumeJ]

Faith tells us we are saved body soul and spirit.
Unbelief is that it doesnt matter. Another thing Jesus mentioned is that tradtions of men can be harmful eg Pharisees. For example when they paid off people instead of actually looking after their parents. They made it all null and voice by their man made tradition.
Also you arent even addressing the toxic substances and smoke released into the air by burning bodies. If they used the gas for energy or fuel, maybe it wouldnt be harmful. But those gas emissions are extremely toxic to the envrionment.

It seems holy laws are being drafted here in place of the wisdom afforded by grace. This is my understanding not written as though in stone…… God bless you. Come the day of our resurreted from the dust bodies in our glorified bodies we will all know the mysteries from the Father directly an notf the derivitives of the minds of man.

 

[Lanolin]

It seems holy laws are being drafted here in place of the wisdom afforded by grace. This is my understanding not written as though in stone…… God bless you. Come the day of our resurreted from the dust bodies in our glorified bodies we will all know the mysteries from the Father directly an notf the derivitives of the minds of man.

Exactly, people that endorse cremation seem to think they can tinker with what God created. If our bodies are dust, made out of the earth, then return them to the earth by burial you dont vaporise or burn them.

 

[JaumeJ]

As I have mentioned and you have said, exactly…….thank you for contributing.

 

[Lanolin]

Book of revelation constsntly refers to wicked being destroyed by fire, the city of Babylon the great, burned utterly with fire, upon the enemies the armies surrounding the saints in beloved city, fire comes down from heaven to devour them, the false prophet and beast..,cast into the lake of fire, all idolators, liars, murderers, fearful, unbelieving, abiminable, sorcerers, also part of the lake burning with fire.

Its pretty clear about it. Dont know why people then say, oh it doesnt really matter about burial or cremation, you can choose either. Well look at what God chooses on the final judgement day. Why would people want to hasten their demise by destorying and burning others up?

Why do something thats totally unnecessary when burial is just the natural thing to do with a dead body. Wrap up and place in the ground to await resurrection. Why waste a lot of energy burning a body. Then youve got a load of ashes to 'dispose' of. it can go to landfill or people often just flush them down the toilet.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

You dont know the difference between flesh and BONE? you dont know that Jesus bone not one was broken? To fulfill prophecy. A bruised reed he will not break!

So now if a Christian dies in a car wreck and has broken bones he will not be resurrected? Foolishness!

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems more credit is being given to flesh and bone than to the body resurrected to come. Neither is to be worshied….not here and now and not in the eternal.

 

[pottersclay]

Interesting fact that the Jews practice mummification which they learned in their bondage in Egypt. The practice was taught and brought down through the centuries. In their beliefs the resurrection of the physical body would happen. They added spices and fragrance because of shallow Graves in Israel because of the Rocky terrain.

 

[tourist]

Cremation or burning contributes to a lot of air pollution. I dont know how its ok to burn a human body when theres fire restrictions on most homes now and people cant have open fires or incinerators or burn rubbish, yet its ok for humans. They arent making biochar either, the remains are not pyrolised so are completely useless for the garden.

From my limited knowledge I believe that the remains from those that are created are used in the manufacture of Soylent Green which is people.

 

[Lanolin]

This is what happens in my city https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/cremation/Pages/how-cremation-works.aspx

Note, if the the ashes or bone fragments are not claimed, they are 'disposed of'

 

[Lanolin]

As I have mentioned and you have said, exactly…….thank you for contributing.

I started the thread , you dont really need to thank me...lol

 

[Lanolin]

Interesting fact that the Jews practice mummification which they learned in their bondage in Egypt. The practice was taught and brought down through the centuries. In their beliefs the resurrection of the physical body would happen. They added spices and fragrance because of shallow Graves in Israel because of the Rocky terrain.

Yes well Martha did say Lazarus would stink after 4 days. But she totally believed in the resurrection. Which is why they didnt burn Lazarus body. Even the parable Jesus told, the rich man was in flames in hades and Lazarus was in paradise in .abrahams bosom. I always found it funny or peculiar he said Abrahams bsosm. It suggesteds Lazarus was embraced or kept safe. The rich man wasnt, he was pretty much destined for hell and complained about the flames and heat.

 

[Lanolin]

So now if a Christian dies in a car wreck and has broken bones he will not be resurrected? Foolishness!

So if a christian has broken bones you would break them even MORE when they're dead by cremating them ? Foolisheness!

 

[Lanolin]

Its a bit stupid to think cremation is a good work for God, its like making things worse and assuming He will fix it.

For example in the library I have books to be mended. Pages ripped up etc. they come to me like that, I dont then rip them up into smaller pieces! And burn them. Also i need to have the copy, however badly damaged it is, so if I am going to have a replacement I know what it is. If someone gives me a bunch of book ashes how am I going to know what the original was when its ripped up or burned beyond recognition.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

So if a christian has broken bones you would break them even MORE when they're dead by cremating them ? Foolisheness!

This is so absurd.
By your reasoning an evil person could prevent a Christian from being resurrected by simply desecrating the corps.
If this is the case Satan has won by the default of time. Because the flesh deteriorates to dirt or is eaten by vermin, and bacteria, within a few years, and the bones become dust in a few decades for the vast majority; especially those buried in poor quality or no coffin at all, such as the poorer classes through out the world pre 19th century, and the vast majority of the modern 3rd world.
Does the logic of reality not enter into the mind at all?
The God I know and love formed the universe from nothing with his word, he breathed life into man kind when he formed him, and that breath was enough to sustain him forever until he sinned. My God can raise up descendants to Abraham from stones.
He don't need the remnant of decayed flesh and bones to resurrect any person.

 

[Lanolin]

I am finding the interesting thing about the fate of wicked or unbelievers, is not that they may be cremated in hell or burned up. In the Bible its often mentioned that the truly wicked will be cast into the sea.

Way back in Genesis, God destroyed the wicked by sending a flood. They all drowned under water and couldnt really have been resurrected unless buried on land. Jesus sent unclean spirits that were hanging around tombs in Gadarenes into pigs, who ran off a cliff into the sea.
Sodom and gOmorrah were destroyed by fire and brimstone, but what is there now, the Dead Sea.
In revelation, it mentions the sea gave up its dead. And there is no more sea.
JEsus also said that if you say to this mountain move, you could cast it into the sea. So what is significant about the sea?

Is it a burial place for unbelievers? Recall that when God parted the Red Sea, the Israelites crossed over onto dry land and entered the Promised Land, but all the Egyptians chasing them, perished and drowned in the Red Sea. To this day, underwater explorers have found remains of chariot wheels etc there.

 

[Lanolin]

Just another though or meditation on scripture, Revelation talks about a lake of fire. Yes the false prophet and beast and dragon are thrown alive in there, but also, people already judged who are dead are thrown in too. Why fire? Why doesnt God just thrown them into a bottomless pit and be done with it.