MIRACLES:TODAY OR NOT?
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God is not a God of confusion.
If God does a miracle here and satan there, what will be the outcome? knowing very well that miracles were done so that people may believe.
I agree as I addressed when I posted this thread. satan tried to usurp God as supreme,he is Only an imitators of God's power!if we don't or can't believe God is constant and able to keep us from being decieved where do we go from here? The Holy Spirit leads and guides us and is discernment! Jesus told the disciples to leave them alone when they complained of others doing miracles in His name. If miracles,signs and wonders ceased with the apostles,that makes God a respecter of persons!
Miracle working; Moses- Elijah- Jesus - Apostles. There's huge time differences in between them except Jesus and the Apostles, so God being constant does not apply, it is all about God's plan.
If the Holy spirit leads and guides believers, what about unbelievers? if miracles were done so that people believe in the gospel, what about unbelievers now that we know satan also does 'miracles'?
there is no time factor with God only man marks time....a day with the Lord is a thousand yrs and vice versa. I studied the men in the scriptures you mentioned from Moses to the Apostles. We have NO continuing record forward from there except the testimony of experiences in ppls lives done by God thru faith! Gods dirty and supremacy touches both the believer and unbeliever for He said the rain calls on the just and unjust. It's every man,woman and child responsibility to believe in the word the truth...mIssus said "I am the way,the truth and the LIFE.The unbeliever has the same opportunity to see G God for we were once unbelievers ourselves,correct?
@MattforJesus awesome! So very well said! I have met many young ppl in this day who do love Him for this I am thankful. Thank you for your input Blessings!
I haven't misunderstood anything. I have applied an accurate term to certain people who deny the existence of present-day miracles. Such people also assert that tongues, prophecy and words of knowledge have ceased.
I haven't addressed the subject of 'miracle workers' at all.
Read Romans 10 in its entirety. When the Gospel (the Word of God) is preached the Holy Spirit convicts ad convinces sinners. And give heed to the words of Abraham:
LUKE 16
27 Then he [the Rich Man] said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he [Abraham] said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
What was Abraham saying? If people will not hear the Gospel (which is also found in Moses and the Prophets) neither will they be convinced EVEN IF A MIRACLE SUCH AS THE RAISING OF THE DEAD were performed. Indirectly, he was referring to the resurrection of Christ.
Today God performs miracles daily for believers (and even unbelievers) all over the world because of His grace and mercy. But He has appointed the Gospel to become the power of God unto salvation for those who will believe (Rom 1:16).
Clearly, a mere miracle can save nobody. However, a miracle may convince someone to believe the gospel.
not sure of the case you are making but it sounds cessationist.
So my following input here may not be directly addressed to you personally;
There is no evidence Jesus only worked through the apostles and stopped.
Unless you think statistics rule belief and truth.
Truth is truth no matter how the statistcs stack up.
If you need to see it to believe itvthem salvation must be either weakened or over since hardly anyone is saved (statistically)
No, i don't need to see to believe, in fact the more is see, the more i reject them as fake because i have a different understanding from the scripture. Cessation is from the scriptures. God appointed people to do these things including preaching the gospel; the last appointees were the apostles.
Yes miracles settle the issue.
How do we know he is alive ?
By his miracles,signs,and wonders.
God loves to show his power.
When John had his crisis of faith Jesus said "go tell him the lame walk,the blind see and the dead are raised"
How does one get to be cessationist?
What ironic backflips to make Gods power void.
Where on earth is there enough "faith" to discard what God himself uses to confirm and authenticate his very existance????
It seems almost that it can not be. (A disciple that rebukes and corrects heaven. Conjuring up a belief system to disenfranchise Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
It just seems to me it is so bizarre that it could not happen.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit powerless.
Huh?????
How was i duped? i stopped listening to people, i just read the bible by myself.
I unduped myself when i stopped listening to people.
What makes you think that God is still working through people and when do you think this will stop and how will it stop?
"".... in fact the more is see, the more i reject them as fake...."
Then the entirety of salvation must also be fake with all the false conversions.
That is a poor yardstick to invoke to authenticate truth
God is still working.
Your camp is the problem.
You pitched your tent with those outside of the living God.