During Tribulation, is it still Faith only for salvation?

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Gift1982

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Well naturally its a good work to reject Satan and to warn others exactly as scripture states. And its kinda like a odd thing to say because it would appear to be Obvious , yea you dont want to worship Satan because a Christian worshiping Satan even in Ignorance is wrong and God says plainly he will not find you guiltless. How can one even repent if they the bible calls that apostasy. this is greek and it means to reject ones faith in a instant, for any reason. the bible specifically explains during a deception .

the thing about Paul i dont get, Paul taught the same thing Jesus did .
 
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Well naturally its a good work to reject Satan and to warn others exactly as scripture states. And its kinda like a odd thing to say because it would appear to be Obvious , yea you dont want to worship Satan because a Christian worshiping Satan even in Ignorance is wrong and God says plainly he will not find you guiltless. How can one even repent if they the bible calls that apostasy. this is greek and it means to reject ones faith in a instant, for any reason. the bible specifically explains during a deception .

the thing about Paul i dont get, Paul taught the same thing Jesus did .
Not exactly, but that will be going off topic.

But you might be happy to know that during the Tribulation, only the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is the same as what Jesus and the 12 preached in the 4 Gospels, will be the gospel that is being preached.
 

Gift1982

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Not exactly, but that will be going off topic.

But you might be happy to know that during the Tribulation, only the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is the same as what Jesus and the 12 preached in the 4 Gospels, will be the gospel that is being preached.
Jesus says that Satan will be here preaching and most of the world will believe him. the truth is only taught by God through His elect during the tribulation when they are brought to trial for a testimony against Satan . The two witnesses may also be teaching but it will be for a short time .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus says that Satan will be here preaching and most of the world will believe him. the truth is only taught by God through His elect during the tribulation when they are brought to trial for a testimony against Satan . The two witnesses may also be teaching but it will be for a short time .
Don’t forget the 144000 jewish missionaries that go through the world preaching the gospel.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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hmm. I thought 144000 were made up of every tribe . why are they all jewish ?
They are all called jews today, But yes yoru right, I should have been more specific thank you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In the bible they are all called Jews ? where ?
Really?

What did Paul call the people who were going against him in the NT?

You do realise that the term “jew” was given to the people who lived in the southern kingdom in the time of Christ, and all 12 tribes were living there.. They were also called Israel. But Isreal as a kingdom was destroyed by the Assyrians, so that name was not used as much.

Today, a jew and israel is names used interchangeably, what tribe a person belonged to does not matter as much today.
 

Gift1982

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Really?

What did Paul call the people who were going against him in the NT?

You do realise that the term “jew” was given to the people who lived in the southern kingdom in the time of Christ, and all 12 tribes were living there.. They were also called Israel. But Isreal as a kingdom was destroyed by the Assyrians, so that name was not used as much.

Today, a jew and israel is names used interchangeably, what tribe a person belonged to does not matter as much today.
Really, 144000 Jesus did not call them jews in Revelation .

Christ knew that so he called them The Lost Tribes of Israel . He never called them the lost jews .
Matthew 10:6-8 .

I'm not so interested in what people use today, or historians say given most of them are going to pot . God knows His people and they'll even be gathered together again as one stick.
Ezekiel 37. The point being God is not using these terms loose or interchanging them.

I'll agree to the extent that Christ matters for today . But since Jesus is not calling them Jews in Revelation . And you've given me no scripture reference . I dont think you should be saying really to my objection or asking for scripture .

( Paul contending with the scribes and pharisees which had taught much of Judah that was present, and Benjamin , . But not all were of Judah that was causing the problem for Paul. ) It was the religious community.
 

JaumeJ

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Really, 144000 Jesus did not call them jews in Revelation .

Christ knew that so he called them The Lost Tribes of Israel . He never called them the lost jews .
Matthew 10:6-8 .

I'm not so interested in what people use today, or historians say given most of them are going to pot . God knows His people and they'll even be gathered together again as one stick.
Ezekiel 37

I'll agree to the extent that Christ matters for today . But since Jesus is not calling them Jews in Revelation . And you've given me no scripture reference . I dont think you should be saying really to my objection or asking for scripture .

( Paul contending with the scribes and pharisees which had taught much of Judah that was present, and Benjamin , . But not all were of Judah that was causing the problem for Paul. ) It was the religious community.

It is painful in the heart and sould to constantly see people who claim to understand the Word calling all the Twelve Tribes Jews.

It does not take much figuring to realize there was no such thing as JKudaism at the time our Savior cme to His Lost to save them.

Perhaps if people actually would read the Old Testament and the New and believe they would understand the reality..

By translation ayone who praises God, Yah, is being a Jew. By translation anyone who believes and will come to be with God, yAHWEH, FOREVER IS iSRAEL...FOR THEY WILL "RULE WITH hIM….."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Really, 144000 Jesus did not call them jews in Revelation .

Christ knew that so he called them The Lost Tribes of Israel . He never called them the lost jews .
Matthew 10:6-8 .

I'm not so interested in what people use today, or historians say given most of them are going to pot . God knows His people and they'll even be gathered together again as one stick.
Ezekiel 37. The point being God is not using these terms loose or interchanging them.

I'll agree to the extent that Christ matters for today . But since Jesus is not calling them Jews in Revelation . And you've given me no scripture reference . I dont think you should be saying really to my objection or asking for scripture .

( Paul contending with the scribes and pharisees which had taught much of Judah that was present, and Benjamin , . But not all were of Judah that was causing the problem for Paul. ) It was the religious community.
dude, I do not know what your problem is. But you made a point, I agreed with your point. And just added to your point to make your point more valid. And all you have done is sit here and slam me like I do not know what I am talking about.

Your new here (or so your reg says) you should learn some humility quick, or you will be shoved to the side as another arrogant peron who came in here to push your views on everyone and not even listen to reason.
 

iamsoandso

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Actually, yes there are scriptures in Revelation that refer to the great tribulation saints being exposed to God's wrath, which I will describe below. But first, because God's wrath affects the entire earth, there is no way that no one can be affected by those plagues of wrath. In other words, just by being on the earth people will be exposed. Regarding this, consider the following:

Second seal: Peace is taken from the earth so that mankind kills each other
Third seal: World-wide famine, so that a small amount of food will cost a your entire days wages. And that's just food!
Fourth Seal: A fourth of the earths population killed as a result of the combined first four seals
First trumpet: A third of the earth and a third of the trees burned up. How many fatalities involved?
Second Trumpet: A third of the creatures in the sea killed and a third of the ships destroyed. How many people on those ships and how many people in those cities, towns and villages on every shore of that body of water will be killed?
Third Trumpet: A third of the rivers and fresh water is contaminated so that many people die from drinking it.
Fifth Trumpet: Demonic beings resembling locusts are released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth.
Sixth Trumpet: Four fallen angels are released and with their demonic army of 200 million, kill a third of the earths inhabitants
Second Bowl: Ocean is turned into literal blood
Third Bowl: All fresh water, except for the Euphrates is turned to blood
Fourth Bowl: The sun is given power to scorch the inhabitants of the earth, searing them with intense heat. How many fatalities?

Now just looking at what I've listed above, you can see that no one on the earth is going to be able to escape the results of those plagues of wrath. Now getting back to your question, if we look at the information regarding those saints who come out of the great tribulation, we can see that they will in fact suffer from those plagues of wrath:

"For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. Never again will they hunger, and never will they thirst; nor will the sun beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat."

1). Never again will they hunger

The reference to them never hungering or thirsting again, would demonstrate that they will have suffered because of the world-wide famine, as well as a third of the creatures in the sea dying as a result of the second trumpet.

2). Never again will they thirst.
The reference to never again thirsting, would be referring to when a third of the rivers and fresh water are contaminated, as well as when the ocean and fresh waters are turned to blood.

3). Never again will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat

The reference to the sun not beating down on them nor any scorching heat, is referring to the results of the fourth bowl judgment when the angel pours out his bowl on the sun where it is given power to scorch people, searing them with intense heat.

So yes, these are some of the scriptures showing that the great tribulation saints will have been exposed to those plagues of wrath and that simply because they are on the earth.

Well I have never seen anyone who held the position that God would unleash his wrath on those who were innocent of worshiping the image or receiving the mark of the beast(first time for everything,lol)...

I would see it more probable to be similar to the flood while the wrath of God was set forth on the earth,and they were in it's midst they were spared his wrath in the safety of the ark. Or in another as the angel of death moved over the first born of Egypt those who had the blood of the Lamb above their door post were passed over in that wrath.

It occurs to me in how you answered my question that you see the GT set forth by Satan and the wrath of God as synonyms of the same. It seems to me also that as in Revelation 12 the remnent of the seed are protected but thats the devils tribulation and not Gods wrath because of it.
 

Robertt

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T. James Chapter 2 stated clearly that that faith alone will not justify you during the Tribulation.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
umm where does it say that it is during the tribulation. The comment by James is FAITH is dead with out works NOW. Forever. If you have Faith , it will be shown by the works you do. You are not saved by works. But being saved is only the beginning. With the Holy Spirit within you will produce fruits and your will look like a sheep not a goat. But the works alone is not enough, as many will say Lord Lord didnt we do this and that in your name.

So Faith yes, and works too.
 

jb

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Not exactly, but that will be going off topic.

But you might be happy to know that during the Tribulation, only the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is the same as what Jesus and the 12 preached in the 4 Gospels, will be the gospel that is being preached.
That's interesting, so are you saying there's another kind of gospel?
 
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umm where does it say that it is during the tribulation. The comment by James is FAITH is dead with out works NOW. Forever. If you have Faith , it will be shown by the works you do. You are not saved by works. But being saved is only the beginning. With the Holy Spirit within you will produce fruits and your will look like a sheep not a goat. But the works alone is not enough, as many will say Lord Lord didnt we do this and that in your name.

So Faith yes, and works too.
Well if you believe it also applies during the church age, that is fine.
 
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That's interesting, so are you saying there's another kind of gospel?
Gospel simply means good news.

What kind of good news do you think will be preached during the tribulation?
 
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The false Christ, Antichrist will pretend to be God and Christ ( Rev 13, 2nd thess 2. ) . Many Christians have been falsly taught to expect a rapture at ( Satans ) arrival. So chances way high that most of Christianity will worship Satan expecting him to rapture them, in their ignorance of the Bible. and the Traditions they have been mislead with .

This is the constant warning in the Bible about the Tribulation. Listen to God and not mans traditions and false teachings .


When Christ actually returns, after Satan , many Christians will already be riding that beast as the whore upon the minds of the people. To worship Satan, even in ignorance, is the Mark of the beast. The Seal of God should be in the forehead. Not Satans Mark .

Given the level of deception spreading in the churches today, the apostasy can happen to most the worlds Christians .

Satan worship is wrong. God warns it will happen before the fact. It will strip a believer, of their salvation.
Haha I have got to say.....you take the cake for some of the most off the wall views I have seen in a long time.....

NO Christians Will take the mark.....ONLY THE LOST will take the mark....the ones DELUDED BY GOD BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH....

Every post you make should have a disclaimer attached to it.......

Something along the lines of....Warning....the following view is found no where in scripture read at your own risk of being led astray!
 
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That's the question I'm putting to you!
That the king is coming back and they should repent and believe in him. That is the same message preached in the 4 gospels.

Once the Jewish nation acknowledges him, he shall return for them.

Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 

Robertt

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Well if you believe it also applies during the church age, that is fine.
and I guess that is why the Antichrist will come from within the church as we all cant agree on doctrine... someone is wrong, some one is right, only God knows. But one of us is not going to make it ,