What is Hell ? A small study help
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I'm not part of any church denomination . I answered that yesterday .
My question for you is : Are you part of the church of Satan dcontroversal ?
because you been attacking me since i posted one thread. and you didnt even care to address any scripture i posted.
Want to address this ? because Satan would twist this. Will you ? >>
John 3:
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
My question for you is : Are you part of the church of Satan dcontroversal ?
because you been attacking me since i posted one thread. and you didnt even care to address any scripture i posted.
Want to address this ? because Satan would twist this. Will you ? >>
John 3:
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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And yet you are avoiding my question are you part of the church of Satan ???? Your silence reeks of guilt and shame .
If someone asks me what I am associated with I have no problem or shame in answering......and notice how defensive he got and accusatory when all I did was ask if he was a JW......his response is similar to almost every JW that has come and gone from this site.....
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If someone asks me what I am associated with I have no problem or shame in answering......and notice how defensive he got and accusatory when all I did was ask if he was a JW......his response is similar to almost every JW that has come and gone from this site.....
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at least we agree there.
Its not something i have to square when i just accept what it says . i cant just added stuff that Jesus never taught .
Hades for the rich man, is used, among a few other greek words. I cant take roman greek mythology from those meaning.
so where do i go ? I go to Jesus and what He taught .
Jesus mentions the kingdom of heaven. he does not mention anything in between. Other than a divide between the good and bad.
Hades only means place or state of departed souls. So one must go to Christ's teachings in the entire bible about that .
thats pretty simple.
Past that, or trying to square that with misconceptions people have, you get into doctrinal teaching that people hold. so im pretty bare basic . No long winded explanation and twisting of meanings necessary .
Its not something i have to square when i just accept what it says . i cant just added stuff that Jesus never taught .
Hades for the rich man, is used, among a few other greek words. I cant take roman greek mythology from those meaning.
so where do i go ? I go to Jesus and what He taught .
Jesus mentions the kingdom of heaven. he does not mention anything in between. Other than a divide between the good and bad.
Hades only means place or state of departed souls. So one must go to Christ's teachings in the entire bible about that .
thats pretty simple.
Past that, or trying to square that with misconceptions people have, you get into doctrinal teaching that people hold. so im pretty bare basic . No long winded explanation and twisting of meanings necessary .
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you are just avoiding the question reeks of guilt. thats basically what you told me, when you first started commenting on this thread.
so you want me to listen to you and now you dont. make up your mind . Are you a church of Satan sowing discord among the brothers ? Ill leave it at that. i dont care what church you attend and im not going to assume that you are part of that Satanic group.. but yet you didnt answer either .
so you want me to listen to you and now you dont. make up your mind . Are you a church of Satan sowing discord among the brothers ? Ill leave it at that. i dont care what church you attend and im not going to assume that you are part of that Satanic group.. but yet you didnt answer either .
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First off, I do not have all the answers, and the more I learn the more I realize I don't know. I'm here really to glean something useful, chew the meat spit out the bones as they say.
Parables. He always taught in parables. I think they had/have more than 1 meaning. What, if any, associations do you find for the name Lazarus in the parable? I've read it's "God is my help" in Greek. Also, it's the same name of the servant of Abraham, of whom he was prepared to call his heir, (before his sons were born of course)
BTW, in your OP about torment being descriptive in regard to testing metal I have not heard, will have to research that further thanks.
Parables. He always taught in parables. I think they had/have more than 1 meaning. What, if any, associations do you find for the name Lazarus in the parable? I've read it's "God is my help" in Greek. Also, it's the same name of the servant of Abraham, of whom he was prepared to call his heir, (before his sons were born of course)
BTW, in your OP about torment being descriptive in regard to testing metal I have not heard, will have to research that further thanks.
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Which is it, "hell/hades" is to destroy the soul, or "the lake of fire" is to kill the soul"? Or are you saying the one comes before the other??
The beast and the false prophet are said to have been cast ['ALIVE'] into the lake of fire well before [1000 yrs before] Satan is cast into it, and then from there [at the GWTj point in time] it says "they [now including Satan] shall be tormented [PLURAL] day and night unto the ages of the ages" (i.e. forever [post #114 of other thread])... so that is:
1) more than one person (two have been there 1000 years already, at that point, and still have "unto the ages of the ages" [i.e. forever] to go, because of the PLURAL wording)… their "souls" aren't said to have been destroyed/obliterated within the 1000 yrs they'd already been in there, and v.10's "they shall be tormented day and night unto the ages of the ages" doesn't supply the option of their being destroyed/obliterated or "killed" future to that... (as if they somehow had the toughest hide of "soul" of anyone... O.O )
2) it says "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life" were also cast in at that point (this being at the same point in time as the SECOND of TWO "PUNISH" words of Isa24:21-22[23], the first of the TWO "PUNISH" words aligning with His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5], where it speaks of "the rest of THE DEAD lived not again until..." because all other people [i.e. who are SAINTS] DID "LIVE" [were resurrected] FOR the MK age; and only the rebellious [i.e. unsaved / non-saints (and BORN during MK age)] DIE DURING the MK age... leaving no "saved" persons to experience the "resurrection OF LIFE" at the time of the GWTj point in time [THAT was back before the MK commenced / at its commencement and prior])
The beast and the false prophet are said to have been cast ['ALIVE'] into the lake of fire well before [1000 yrs before] Satan is cast into it, and then from there [at the GWTj point in time] it says "they [now including Satan] shall be tormented [PLURAL] day and night unto the ages of the ages" (i.e. forever [post #114 of other thread])... so that is:
1) more than one person (two have been there 1000 years already, at that point, and still have "unto the ages of the ages" [i.e. forever] to go, because of the PLURAL wording)… their "souls" aren't said to have been destroyed/obliterated within the 1000 yrs they'd already been in there, and v.10's "they shall be tormented day and night unto the ages of the ages" doesn't supply the option of their being destroyed/obliterated or "killed" future to that... (as if they somehow had the toughest hide of "soul" of anyone... O.O )
2) it says "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life" were also cast in at that point (this being at the same point in time as the SECOND of TWO "PUNISH" words of Isa24:21-22[23], the first of the TWO "PUNISH" words aligning with His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5], where it speaks of "the rest of THE DEAD lived not again until..." because all other people [i.e. who are SAINTS] DID "LIVE" [were resurrected] FOR the MK age; and only the rebellious [i.e. unsaved / non-saints (and BORN during MK age)] DIE DURING the MK age... leaving no "saved" persons to experience the "resurrection OF LIFE" at the time of the GWTj point in time [THAT was back before the MK commenced / at its commencement and prior])
You accuse others of being careless with the Bible? Wow.
The verse you quoted says, "fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." The verse does not say, "the purpose of hell is to destroy both soul and body" or anything remotely like that. If it did, then your thesis would be valid. By the way, if you're going to quote Scripture, at least get the references correct. The verse is Matthew 10:28, not John 3:16.
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
Here Jesus states that the eternal fire is "prepared for the devil and his angels"... not for destroying the bodies and souls of humans. That undoes your simplistic "Its (sic) that simple."
The verse you quoted says, "fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." The verse does not say, "the purpose of hell is to destroy both soul and body" or anything remotely like that. If it did, then your thesis would be valid. By the way, if you're going to quote Scripture, at least get the references correct. The verse is Matthew 10:28, not John 3:16.
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
Here Jesus states that the eternal fire is "prepared for the devil and his angels"... not for destroying the bodies and souls of humans. That undoes your simplistic "Its (sic) that simple."
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Someones always going to take offense to their denomination being "picked on" but there is some truths to what he says here "Somebodies wrong"
None of us have it all figured out...…..
Personally, I have been part of a few different denominations in my lifetime..... I get the humor he's using here, lol.
None of us have it all figured out...…..
Personally, I have been part of a few different denominations in my lifetime..... I get the humor he's using here, lol.
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Again you've taken scripture completely out of context because it's the only way you guys can make your perverted theology work. No matter though, we are all going to find out the truth one day and, if you'll excuse the pun, I hope to high heaven your life is right with Christ. Because everything you've posted thus far is of someone with such an erroneous view of scripture it would take weeks to sift through all the heresy.