Baptist and Baptism
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A wee bit too Jewish Legalism for me........leaving out the "o" in God...........
If y'all feel that strongly about it.........call Him what He called Himself "I Am." Oh, no, wait, Christ also called Himself "I Am." Guess that would mess y'all up a wee bit?
Abba, Father, God, Jesus Christ, I Am, Jehovah Jireh.................. perfectly acceptable names to call God as far as I am concerned. He is ONLY CONCERNED that we do so with love for Him in my opinion.............
But, hey, if that makes folks happy (leaving the "o" out) then that's cool with me. However, for someone to pretend that they are more respectful towards The Lord God to leave out the "o" is more than a wee bit being full of themselves in my opinion.
If y'all feel that strongly about it.........call Him what He called Himself "I Am." Oh, no, wait, Christ also called Himself "I Am." Guess that would mess y'all up a wee bit?
Abba, Father, God, Jesus Christ, I Am, Jehovah Jireh.................. perfectly acceptable names to call God as far as I am concerned. He is ONLY CONCERNED that we do so with love for Him in my opinion.............
But, hey, if that makes folks happy (leaving the "o" out) then that's cool with me. However, for someone to pretend that they are more respectful towards The Lord God to leave out the "o" is more than a wee bit being full of themselves in my opinion.
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Not adding anything.................he was saved by Christ Himself, and, as such, he went to paradise with Christ that very day upon his death. When his natural/corrupt body passed away, he put on the perfect/Celestial body of the children of God...........
As far as the exact words being there, then I challenge you to prove the Disciples were water baptized. Scripture does not ever say they were.
Legalism can be taken way too far.........but, shoot, go ahead if that's what does it for you
As far as the exact words being there, then I challenge you to prove the Disciples were water baptized. Scripture does not ever say they were.
Legalism can be taken way too far.........but, shoot, go ahead if that's what does it for you
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How do you conclude the thief was not baptized?
He could have been and back slid. In any event
G-d can give special dispensation to anyone at any time any where.
The thief has ...0... to do with the Bible requiring baptism.
A feeble attempt at justification against specific Bible language requiring baptism....I submit.
He could have been and back slid. In any event
G-d can give special dispensation to anyone at any time any where.
The thief has ...0... to do with the Bible requiring baptism.
A feeble attempt at justification against specific Bible language requiring baptism....I submit.
The ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE US IS:
The Precious Blood of Jesus
1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”
6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …
8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
The Precious Blood of Jesus
1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”
6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …
8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
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A wee bit too Jewish Legalism for me........leaving out the "o" in God...........
If y'all feel that strongly about it.........call Him what He called Himself "I Am." Oh, no, wait, Christ also called Himself "I Am." Guess that would mess y'all up a wee bit?
Abba, Father, God, Jesus Christ, I Am, Jehovah Jireh.................. perfectly acceptable names to call God as far as I am concerned. He is ONLY CONCERNED that we do so with love for Him in my opinion.............
But, hey, if that makes folks happy (leaving the "o" out) then that's cool with me. However, for someone to pretend that they are more respectful towards The Lord God to leave out the "o" is more than a wee bit being full of themselves in my opinion.
If y'all feel that strongly about it.........call Him what He called Himself "I Am." Oh, no, wait, Christ also called Himself "I Am." Guess that would mess y'all up a wee bit?
Abba, Father, God, Jesus Christ, I Am, Jehovah Jireh.................. perfectly acceptable names to call God as far as I am concerned. He is ONLY CONCERNED that we do so with love for Him in my opinion.............
But, hey, if that makes folks happy (leaving the "o" out) then that's cool with me. However, for someone to pretend that they are more respectful towards The Lord God to leave out the "o" is more than a wee bit being full of themselves in my opinion.
oh I actually agree baptism is required. s
o you judge me too harshly , however I always look for all answers and do not shut out things.
we need to look at what if someone gives their heart to Jesus and beleives , but dies before they get water baptised. There will be many exceptions where people are not water baptised and die, and also not holy spirit baptised and die.
o you judge me too harshly , however I always look for all answers and do not shut out things.
we need to look at what if someone gives their heart to Jesus and beleives , but dies before they get water baptised. There will be many exceptions where people are not water baptised and die, and also not holy spirit baptised and die.
IF someone repents, confesses their sins, and asks Christ to become Lord of their lives, they ARE baptized with the precious blood of Christ which cleanses them of their sins BY the Holy Spirit.
Y'all can deny all y'all want........one day y'all will face Him and then there won't be anything but the gnashing of teeth and crying for the mountain to fall upon you and cover you
Y'all can deny all y'all want........one day y'all will face Him and then there won't be anything but the gnashing of teeth and crying for the mountain to fall upon you and cover you
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Baptists have believed in salvation by grace alone, and baptism only of adult believers who have already made a saving profession of faith ever since the denomination first originated in the 1600's.
AFAIK they have never believed in baptismal regeneration. they have always believed in immersive baptism as one of two ordinances ((technically not sacraments - tho that word may be used, because, people are in general stupid and often don't know what they say)), along with the Lord's supper, always rejected pedobaptism, and always believed that both ordinances were not in and of themselves salvific but were meant to be taken part in by those who are regenerate -- regenerate by faith, not works.
i dunno what weird pseudo-baptist church you went to in the 1950's or whether, being a youth then, you were either misinformed or misunderstood the message. H20 does not save. rites do not save. Jesus saves, and He does so according to belief.
AFAIK they have never believed in baptismal regeneration. they have always believed in immersive baptism as one of two ordinances ((technically not sacraments - tho that word may be used, because, people are in general stupid and often don't know what they say)), along with the Lord's supper, always rejected pedobaptism, and always believed that both ordinances were not in and of themselves salvific but were meant to be taken part in by those who are regenerate -- regenerate by faith, not works.
i dunno what weird pseudo-baptist church you went to in the 1950's or whether, being a youth then, you were either misinformed or misunderstood the message. H20 does not save. rites do not save. Jesus saves, and He does so according to belief.
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