Noahs ark
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There have been claims that it has been found in Turkey at a certain elevation on Mt. Ararat years ago. The configuration of what is left of the wood seems to correspond to the stated dimensions in Genesis and appears to be a shaped as a boat of some sort with compartments. The raven probably flew to where the food is and was fruitful and multiplied.
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A picture of the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand...
Raven as a ceremonial unclean to represent "no faith" or relationship with God not seen .It speaks of earthly inspired by the god of this world
Doves clean food represent that source of faith as the work of the Holy Spirit giving us the understanding of the father . It came back with a sign of temporal healing of the nations a olive leaf . Sent out again it returned to the father not seen
Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
Raven as a ceremonial unclean to represent "no faith" or relationship with God not seen .It speaks of earthly inspired by the god of this world
Doves clean food represent that source of faith as the work of the Holy Spirit giving us the understanding of the father . It came back with a sign of temporal healing of the nations a olive leaf . Sent out again it returned to the father not seen
Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
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There has been quite of bit of controversy as to whether Noah's ark was found on Mount Ararat. On the other hand, people now have an opportunity to experience the ark through Ark Encounter in the USA. https://arkencounter.com.
One day if i'm ever in Turkey....
Joanna Lumley did a film about it. I think you have to make up your own mind. Some say its a geological landform but others are convinced its the remnants of Noah's Ark.
Im curious how the animals all behaved during that 40 day voyage. Wonder if they got cabin fever, or were they the exceptionally righteous amongst all the animals.
Joanna Lumley did a film about it. I think you have to make up your own mind. Some say its a geological landform but others are convinced its the remnants of Noah's Ark.
Im curious how the animals all behaved during that 40 day voyage. Wonder if they got cabin fever, or were they the exceptionally righteous amongst all the animals.
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I think many know exactly where it is. Google Earth can practically see the raven poop on the top of my car! What do you think the Government can see with satellites?
Genesis 8:6 So it came to pass, at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. 7 Then he sent out a raven, which kept going TO AND FRO until the waters had dried up from the earth.
The raven certainly represents satan, and him feasting on the dead who are not in Christ:
Job 1:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 And the Lord said to [a]Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going TO AND FRO on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
And the dove certainly represents the Holy Spirit. I'll let you run with that, and the timeframes that the raven (satan) can roam before the Dove (Holy Spirit) is poured out.
Genesis 8:6 So it came to pass, at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. 7 Then he sent out a raven, which kept going TO AND FRO until the waters had dried up from the earth.
The raven certainly represents satan, and him feasting on the dead who are not in Christ:
Job 1:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 And the Lord said to [a]Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going TO AND FRO on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
And the dove certainly represents the Holy Spirit. I'll let you run with that, and the timeframes that the raven (satan) can roam before the Dove (Holy Spirit) is poured out.
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It is a historically true parable. More than one level of understanding. Hidden pearls in many places... you could say without the signified language of Christ (parables) he spoke not.
True to the actual events and times with the gospel message hid. Just like the whole period there were kings in Israel and the use of ceremonial law and its signified language using metaphors to represent the clean as those born again and the unclean those who have no faith.
Noah it would seem was given the spirit understanding hid in parables .They as metaphors in those parables spoke of the suffering of Christ beforehand .The gospel mixed with faith giving them rest in their work. Having received the end of their salvation from the beginning as us .
We look back to the Ark it looked ahead to Christ our righteousness and the glory that followed .The graves were opened... opening the gates of the ressurection
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:11
The Ark as a metaphor represents Christ. it was seed as a source of unseen faith, the gospel...... or letter of the law to all it killed.
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
True to the actual events and times with the gospel message hid. Just like the whole period there were kings in Israel and the use of ceremonial law and its signified language using metaphors to represent the clean as those born again and the unclean those who have no faith.
Noah it would seem was given the spirit understanding hid in parables .They as metaphors in those parables spoke of the suffering of Christ beforehand .The gospel mixed with faith giving them rest in their work. Having received the end of their salvation from the beginning as us .
We look back to the Ark it looked ahead to Christ our righteousness and the glory that followed .The graves were opened... opening the gates of the ressurection
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:11
The Ark as a metaphor represents Christ. it was seed as a source of unseen faith, the gospel...... or letter of the law to all it killed.
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Your 1st sentence is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as a "historically TRUE parable"
parable
noun
par·a·ble | \ ˈper-ə-bəl , ˈpa-rə-\
Definition of parable
: a usually short FICTITIOUS story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
An account is either historically true, OR a parable, NOT both.
parable
noun
par·a·ble | \ ˈper-ə-bəl , ˈpa-rə-\
Definition of parable
: a usually short FICTITIOUS story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
An account is either historically true, OR a parable, NOT both.
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Two levels of meaning one hid in parables. Historical and moral our spiritual .The Bible is a spiritual book concerned with the things not seen eternity. Written by the Spirit .It has no peer. The gospel thread is woven from Genesis ...let there be . . .through Revelation 22 Amen .
Without parables/proverbs the signified language as God's person signature. Christ spoke not. Parable are no less prophecy than any other manner God speaks to us. Parables give light to the dark saying hid from natural man .
Psalm 78:2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
In Hebrew 9 we can see the signified language used as a "parable" translated "figure" for the temporal time present.
Just as Abraham and Isaac they were used as a historically true parable. . . hiding the gospel message from those who are not given the unseen spiritual understanding. Balaam's Ass is used as a historical true parable to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand. All of the ceremonial laws were used as parables signifying the coming of Christ. . Genesis 3:15 is a parable in respect to the gospel historically true but also true in a moral and spiritual way .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8-10
The bible does not inform us that not without parables as fictitious stories Christ spoke not.
From my experience most will not even acknowledge the 1st century reformation restoring the government of God as it was before that period of time was used as a parable non fictional .So why would they beleive it was historically true as well as giving us the encouragement by faith to move forward the gospel ? What the fear of parables? Walking by faith.
Parables were necessary for the disciples .Without parables they would of never figured out who is the greatest? .
It does not change the outcome of the gospel just how we can hear the gospel..... given to those who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to everyone. . that names His name.
Pearls...and sweet honey hidden from them that would have little or no interest in what they call fictitious stories. Again a tool designed that we might continue to understand what it means to walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place of God's hidden glory . That in which even Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in as the abomination of desecration. But said only God in respect to the father not seen is good.
Without parables/proverbs the signified language as God's person signature. Christ spoke not. Parable are no less prophecy than any other manner God speaks to us. Parables give light to the dark saying hid from natural man .
Psalm 78:2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
In Hebrew 9 we can see the signified language used as a "parable" translated "figure" for the temporal time present.
Just as Abraham and Isaac they were used as a historically true parable. . . hiding the gospel message from those who are not given the unseen spiritual understanding. Balaam's Ass is used as a historical true parable to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand. All of the ceremonial laws were used as parables signifying the coming of Christ. . Genesis 3:15 is a parable in respect to the gospel historically true but also true in a moral and spiritual way .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8-10
The bible does not inform us that not without parables as fictitious stories Christ spoke not.
From my experience most will not even acknowledge the 1st century reformation restoring the government of God as it was before that period of time was used as a parable non fictional .So why would they beleive it was historically true as well as giving us the encouragement by faith to move forward the gospel ? What the fear of parables? Walking by faith.
Parables were necessary for the disciples .Without parables they would of never figured out who is the greatest? .
It does not change the outcome of the gospel just how we can hear the gospel..... given to those who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to everyone. . that names His name.
Pearls...and sweet honey hidden from them that would have little or no interest in what they call fictitious stories. Again a tool designed that we might continue to understand what it means to walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place of God's hidden glory . That in which even Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in as the abomination of desecration. But said only God in respect to the father not seen is good.
Two levels of meaning, one hid in parables. Historical and moral or spiritual. The Bible is a spiritual book concerned with the things not seen eternity. Written by the Spirit .It has no peer. The gospel thread is woven from Genesis ...let there be . . .through Revelation 22 Amen .
Without parables/proverbs the signified language as God's person signature. Christ spoke not. Parable are no less prophecy than any other manner God speaks to us. Parables give light to the dark saying hid from natural man .
Psalm 78:2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
In Hebrew 9 we can see the signified language used as a "parable" translated "figure" for the temporal time present.
Just as Abraham and Isaac they were used as a historically true parable. . . hiding the gospel message from those who are not given the unseen spiritual understanding. Balaam's Ass is used as a historical true parable to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand. All of the ceremonial laws were used as parables signifying the coming of Christ. . Genesis 3:15 is a parable in respect to the gospel historically true but also true in a moral and spiritual way .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8-10
The bible does not inform us that not without parables as fictitious stories Christ spoke not.
From my experience most will not even acknowledge the 1st century reformation restoring the government of God as it was before that period of time was used as a parable non fictional .So why would they beleive it was historically true as well as giving us the encouragement by faith to move forward the gospel ? What the fear of parables? Walking by faith.
Parables were necessary for the disciples .Without parables they would of never figured out who is the greatest? .
It does not change the outcome of the gospel just how we can hear the gospel..... given to those who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to everyone. . that names His name.
Pearls...and sweet honey hidden from them that would have little or no interest in what they call fictitious stories. Again a tool designed that we might continue to understand what it means to walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place of God's hidden glory . That in which even Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in as the abomination of desecration. But said only God in respect to the father not seen is good.
Without parables/proverbs the signified language as God's person signature. Christ spoke not. Parable are no less prophecy than any other manner God speaks to us. Parables give light to the dark saying hid from natural man .
Psalm 78:2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
In Hebrew 9 we can see the signified language used as a "parable" translated "figure" for the temporal time present.
Just as Abraham and Isaac they were used as a historically true parable. . . hiding the gospel message from those who are not given the unseen spiritual understanding. Balaam's Ass is used as a historical true parable to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand. All of the ceremonial laws were used as parables signifying the coming of Christ. . Genesis 3:15 is a parable in respect to the gospel historically true but also true in a moral and spiritual way .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8-10
The bible does not inform us that not without parables as fictitious stories Christ spoke not.
From my experience most will not even acknowledge the 1st century reformation restoring the government of God as it was before that period of time was used as a parable non fictional .So why would they beleive it was historically true as well as giving us the encouragement by faith to move forward the gospel ? What the fear of parables? Walking by faith.
Parables were necessary for the disciples .Without parables they would of never figured out who is the greatest? .
It does not change the outcome of the gospel just how we can hear the gospel..... given to those who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to everyone. . that names His name.
Pearls...and sweet honey hidden from them that would have little or no interest in what they call fictitious stories. Again a tool designed that we might continue to understand what it means to walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place of God's hidden glory . That in which even Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in as the abomination of desecration. But said only God in respect to the father not seen is good.
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Another picture book showed the animals putting on a show cos they were bored. It was Noahs idea.
Not that Im getting everything from picture books. But its interesting how people have retold or interpreted the story.
Some stick pretty close to scripture though. Depending on which copy you reading.
Some people say the flood didnt cover the whole earth, or maybe it was just civilisation at the time. If looking on map today there are several lakes where the floodwaters have been in - caspian sea and black sea. There is eveidence they were created by a devaasting flood thousands of years ago. Also fossils of marine life have been found on mountain tops.
Not that Im getting everything from picture books. But its interesting how people have retold or interpreted the story.
Some stick pretty close to scripture though. Depending on which copy you reading.
Some people say the flood didnt cover the whole earth, or maybe it was just civilisation at the time. If looking on map today there are several lakes where the floodwaters have been in - caspian sea and black sea. There is eveidence they were created by a devaasting flood thousands of years ago. Also fossils of marine life have been found on mountain tops.
That simply isn't true. You've taken a statement made in a specific context and applied to all of Scripture... inappropriately.
The parables of Jesus were designed to hide the truth, not to reveal it.
There are too many "nots" in this sentence! That aside, the parables that Jesus told were just stories to illustrate a point. The Bible doesn't need to tell us whether the stories were fictitious or historical, because their historicity is irrelevant to the point Jesus was making in each case. That is the nature of parables. When you start calling everything a parable, you devalue the word and make both the actual parables and the actual history confusing.
Parables weren't given for the disciples, but for the general public audience.
The parables of Jesus were designed to hide the truth, not to reveal it.
There are too many "nots" in this sentence! That aside, the parables that Jesus told were just stories to illustrate a point. The Bible doesn't need to tell us whether the stories were fictitious or historical, because their historicity is irrelevant to the point Jesus was making in each case. That is the nature of parables. When you start calling everything a parable, you devalue the word and make both the actual parables and the actual history confusing.
Parables weren't given for the disciples, but for the general public audience.
Oh wow. Interesting, I dont suppose cincinati is anywhere near water......?
We have ark in the park here but not actually a real ark.
Ark in the park is a conservation initiative to protectour native animals, mostly birds. We have a few flightless birds. Like kiwis. What happens is dogs and other predators eat them, but nothing is really done about dogs. So they are all put on little islands where no dogs are allowed.
We have ark in the park here but not actually a real ark.
Ark in the park is a conservation initiative to protectour native animals, mostly birds. We have a few flightless birds. Like kiwis. What happens is dogs and other predators eat them, but nothing is really done about dogs. So they are all put on little islands where no dogs are allowed.
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Ararat in Genesis is a country instead of mountain.
● Gen 8:3b-4 . . At the end of one hundred and fifty days the waters
diminished, so that in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the
month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
The Hebrew word for "Ararat" is from 'Ararat (ar-aw-rat') which appears
three more times in the Bible: one at 2Kgs 19:36-37, one at Isa 37:36-38,
and one at Jer 51:27. Ararat is always the country of Armenia: never a
specific mountain by the same name
"mountains of Ararat" is plural and indicates a range of mountains and/or
simply hilly country, i.e. highlands; like the region of Israel where Miriam's
cousin Elizabeth lived.
"At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of
Judea, where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth." (Luke
1:39-40)
In California, where I lived as a kid, the local elevation 35 miles east of San
Diego, in the town of Alpine, was about 2,000 feet above sea level. There
were plenty of meadows with pasture and good soil. In fact much of it was
very good ranchland and quite a few people in that area raised horses and
cows. We ourselves kept about five hundred chickens, and a few goats and
calves. We lived in the mountains of San Diego; but we didn't live up on top
of one of its mountains like Viejas, Lyon's, or Cuyamaca.
The ark contained the only surviving souls of man and animal on the entire
planet. Does it really make good sense to strand them up on a mountain
peak where they might risk death and injury descending it?
When my wife and I visited the San Diego zoo together back in the early
1980's, we noticed that the Giraffes' area had no fence around it. The tour
guide told us the Giraffes' enclosure doesn't need a fence because their area
is up on a plateau 3 feet high. The Giraffes don't try to escape because
they're afraid of heights. There's just no way Giraffes could've climbed down
off of Turkey's Mount Ararat. It's way too steep and rugged. Those poor
timid creatures would've been stranded up there and died; and so would
hippos, elephants, and flightless birds like penguins.
So; what happened to the ark? Well; according to the dimensions given at
Gen 6:15, the ark was shaped like what the beautiful minds call a right
rectangular prism; which is nothing in the world but the shape of a common
shoe box. So most of the lumber and logs used in its construction would've
been nice and straight; which is perfect for putting together houses, fences,
barns, corrals, stables, gates, hog troughs, mangers, and outhouses.
I think it's safe to assume that Noah and his kin gradually dismantled the
ark over time and used the wood for many other purposes, including fires.
Nobody cooked or heated their homes or their bath and laundry water using
refined fossil fuels and/or electricity and steam in those days, so everybody
needed to keep on hand a pretty fair-sized wood pile for their daily needs.
There was probably plenty of driftwood left behind by the Flood, but most of
that would be water-soaked at first. But according to Gen 6:14 the ark's
lumber was treated. So underneath the pitch it was still in pretty good shape
and should have been preserved for many years to come.
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Ararat in Genesis is a country instead of mountain.
● Gen 8:3b-4 . . At the end of one hundred and fifty days the waters
diminished, so that in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the
month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
The Hebrew word for "Ararat" is from 'Ararat (ar-aw-rat') which appears
three more times in the Bible: one at 2Kgs 19:36-37, one at Isa 37:36-38,
and one at Jer 51:27. Ararat is always the country of Armenia: never a
specific mountain by the same name
"mountains of Ararat" is plural and indicates a range of mountains and/or
simply hilly country, i.e. highlands; like the region of Israel where Miriam's
cousin Elizabeth lived.
"At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of
Judea, where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth." (Luke
1:39-40)
In California, where I lived as a kid, the local elevation 35 miles east of San
Diego, in the town of Alpine, was about 2,000 feet above sea level. There
were plenty of meadows with pasture and good soil. In fact much of it was
very good ranchland and quite a few people in that area raised horses and
cows. We ourselves kept about five hundred chickens, and a few goats and
calves. We lived in the mountains of San Diego; but we didn't live up on top
of one of its mountains like Viejas, Lyon's, or Cuyamaca.
The ark contained the only surviving souls of man and animal on the entire
planet. Does it really make good sense to strand them up on a mountain
peak where they might risk death and injury descending it?
When my wife and I visited the San Diego zoo together back in the early
1980's, we noticed that the Giraffes' area had no fence around it. The tour
guide told us the Giraffes' enclosure doesn't need a fence because their area
is up on a plateau 3 feet high. The Giraffes don't try to escape because
they're afraid of heights. There's just no way Giraffes could've climbed down
off of Turkey's Mount Ararat. It's way too steep and rugged. Those poor
timid creatures would've been stranded up there and died; and so would
hippos, elephants, and flightless birds like penguins.
So; what happened to the ark? Well; according to the dimensions given at
Gen 6:15, the ark was shaped like what the beautiful minds call a right
rectangular prism; which is nothing in the world but the shape of a common
shoe box. So most of the lumber and logs used in its construction would've
been nice and straight; which is perfect for putting together houses, fences,
barns, corrals, stables, gates, hog troughs, mangers, and outhouses.
I think it's safe to assume that Noah and his kin gradually dismantled the
ark over time and used the wood for many other purposes, including fires.
Nobody cooked or heated their homes or their bath and laundry water using
refined fossil fuels and/or electricity and steam in those days, so everybody
needed to keep on hand a pretty fair-sized wood pile for their daily needs.
There was probably plenty of driftwood left behind by the Flood, but most of
that would be water-soaked at first. But according to Gen 6:14 the ark's
lumber was treated. So underneath the pitch it was still in pretty good shape
and should have been preserved for many years to come.
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