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Maybe its to confuse people who keep thinking inside their little boxes.
A lot of westerners are like that, want to keep everything in little boxes (well, not arks) and it has to be just so, and everything else they cannot explain is an anomoly.
This is why in so many churches, they do all this stuff that seems like its christian but often the holy spirit isnt even in it.
Anyway, there is actually a book for people who think only in this manner and its called A guide for the perplexed.
Greeks seek for wisdom and Jews demand a sign. But its kinda oh no if its both it doesnt fit! God cant be in two places at once, or can He?
A lot of westerners are like that, want to keep everything in little boxes (well, not arks) and it has to be just so, and everything else they cannot explain is an anomoly.
This is why in so many churches, they do all this stuff that seems like its christian but often the holy spirit isnt even in it.
Anyway, there is actually a book for people who think only in this manner and its called A guide for the perplexed.
Greeks seek for wisdom and Jews demand a sign. But its kinda oh no if its both it doesnt fit! God cant be in two places at once, or can He?
Which is exactly why the parables were effective; people could relate to the story elements. He didn't tell the stories to relate historical events; He told them to illustrate spiritual truths.
Of course; those are personal testimonies. They can serve as parables, but the historical events recorded in Scripture are not parables. Again, if you use the term for the wrong thing the term becomes essentially meaningless.
Of course; those are personal testimonies. They can serve as parables, but the historical events recorded in Scripture are not parables. Again, if you use the term for the wrong thing the term becomes essentially meaningless.
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Just before being regurgitated ashore, Jonah prayed thus:
● Jonah 2:5-6a . .The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the
depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I
went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was
about me for ever:
The place that Jonah described as "the bottoms of the mountains" and as
"the earth with her bars" is identified as Sheol. (Jonah 2:2)
That place is commonly interpreted to mean the grave. Well; that's only the
half of it. Though sheol pertains to the grave, the "roots of the mountains"
obviously indicate that sheol includes the netherworld. But even if we limit
sheol to speak only of the grave, it is clearly speaking of Jonah's death when
he said "the earth with its bars is about me forever" which is reinforced by
his next statement.
● Jonah 2:6b . . yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD,
my God.
The Hebrew word for "corruption" in that verse is the very same word in Ps
16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other
words: Jonah 2:6b tells of the prophet's flesh just as Ps 16:8-10 and Acts
2:25-31 tell of Christ's flesh.
The expression "brought up my life" is Jonah's way of telling us of his resurrection;
that his dead body was not left in the fish's tummy to be destroyed just as Jesus'
dead body was not left in the tomb to be destroyed.
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Just before being regurgitated ashore, Jonah prayed thus:
● Jonah 2:5-6a . .The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the
depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I
went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was
about me for ever:
The place that Jonah described as "the bottoms of the mountains" and as
"the earth with her bars" is identified as Sheol. (Jonah 2:2)
That place is commonly interpreted to mean the grave. Well; that's only the
half of it. Though sheol pertains to the grave, the "roots of the mountains"
obviously indicate that sheol includes the netherworld. But even if we limit
sheol to speak only of the grave, it is clearly speaking of Jonah's death when
he said "the earth with its bars is about me forever" which is reinforced by
his next statement.
● Jonah 2:6b . . yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD,
my God.
The Hebrew word for "corruption" in that verse is the very same word in Ps
16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other
words: Jonah 2:6b tells of the prophet's flesh just as Ps 16:8-10 and Acts
2:25-31 tell of Christ's flesh.
The expression "brought up my life" is Jonah's way of telling us of his resurrection;
that his dead body was not left in the fish's tummy to be destroyed just as Jesus'
dead body was not left in the tomb to be destroyed.
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Historical events are used as parables. Hiding the spiritual understanding from those who will not search it out..
The whole time period there were Kings in Israel was used as a parable. We are in the last days and given the signified understanding
Like the whole book of Revelation one signified parable of end time, last days, events .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified" it by his angel unto his servant John:
Comparing the spirit unseen to the same. Faith, the unseen eternal to faith (the gospel) .
Signified the things seen the temporal, that give us the unseen eternal understanding.
The whole time period there were Kings in Israel was used as a parable. We are in the last days and given the signified understanding
Like the whole book of Revelation one signified parable of end time, last days, events .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified" it by his angel unto his servant John:
Comparing the spirit unseen to the same. Faith, the unseen eternal to faith (the gospel) .
Signified the things seen the temporal, that give us the unseen eternal understanding.
Scripture calls the stories that Jesus told, "parables". Therefore we are standing on solid ground when we call any of them a parable.
Scripture never calls a prophecy or the record of an actual historical event a "parable." Therefore it is baseless at best and dangerously incorrect at worst when we call any of them a parable. Revelation is not a parable. It is a small amount of narrative, several letters, and a prophetic vision.
You can keep making it difficult for others to understand what you're talking about, or you can accept and employ the established meaning of the term. It's your choice.
Again... comparing the spirit unseen to the same what? The same spirit unseen? The same parable? The same prophecy? Your sentence is incomprehensible.
Scripture never calls a prophecy or the record of an actual historical event a "parable." Therefore it is baseless at best and dangerously incorrect at worst when we call any of them a parable. Revelation is not a parable. It is a small amount of narrative, several letters, and a prophetic vision.
You can keep making it difficult for others to understand what you're talking about, or you can accept and employ the established meaning of the term. It's your choice.
Again... comparing the spirit unseen to the same what? The same spirit unseen? The same parable? The same prophecy? Your sentence is incomprehensible.
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● Gen 6:19-20 . . And of all that lives, of all flesh, you shall take two of each
into the ark to keep alive with you; they shall be male and female. From
birds of every kind, cattle of every kind, every kind of creeping thing on
earth, two of each shall come to you to stay alive.
Apparently one pair of each kind was a minimum; I mean; Noah took four
pairs of humans aboard; and he was later given updated instructions to take
seven pairs of some species.
Fortunately Noah didn't have to go on safari to round up his passengers. The
Bible says two of each "shall come to you." which implies of course that
species who failed to come got left behind and went extinct in the Flood.
There was plenty of time for them to make it because Noah was 120 years
building the ark and getting it ready. Since the animals selected were
cooperative and docile, then the smaller beasties could hitch rides on the
larger ones and thus save themselves some steps.
A man named Dave Kunst walked across today's world in just a little over 4
years from June 1970 to October 1974. Kunst walked a total of 14,450
miles, crossing four continents and thirteen countries, wearing out 21 pair of
shoes, and walking more than 20 million steps. That was an odd thing to do,
but does prove it can be done in a relatively short time; so 120 years was
plenty enough for all the critters to make it on over to Noah's place in time
for The Folly's maiden voyage.
If the ark were to launch in 2019, critters would have been on the move
towards it since 1899-- four years before the Wright Brothers historical
flight, and thirteen years before the Titanic foundered --and probably
reproduced many times along the way since there are not all that many
species that live to see 120 years of age.
But how did they cross oceans? In the past that was doubtless a thorny
theological problem. But with today's knowledge of the geological science of
plate tectonics, the answer is as simple as two plus two. Scientists now know
that continental land masses can be shifted, and in point of fact the dry
parts brought so close together as to form one single super continent.
Scientists also know about magma hot spots and pressure points that can
raise and lower the earth's crust like a service elevator. Subduction no doubt
played a role by pushing sea beds up above sea level and made to form land
bridges; thus expediting migration.
This idea is by no means novel. For example: in 2014, a 9,000 year-old
stone structure used to capture caribou was discovered 120 feet below the
surface of Lake Huron; and is the most complex structure of its kind in the
Great Lakes region.
The structure consists of two parallel lanes of stones leading to a cul-de-sac.
Within the lanes are three circular hunting blinds where prehistoric hunters
hid while taking aim at caribou. The structure's size and design suggest that
hunting was probably a group effort, with one group driving caribou down
the lanes towards the blinds while another group waited to attack.
The site-- discovered by using sonar technology on the Alpena-Amberley
Ridge, 35 miles southeast of Alpena Michigan --was once a dry land corridor
connecting northeastern Michigan to southern Ontario.
Ten miles off the coast of Alabama in 60 feet of water in the Gulf of Mexico,
are the remains of a Bald Cypress grove that's estimated to be eight to
fourteen thousand years old; testifying that the earth's topography was
quite a bit different in the ancient past.
Actually the Earth's mantle is one continuous (albeit fractured) mass
anyway, although its profile is so irregular that dry land sticks up above sea
level at various high spots; which is a good thing because if the mantle were
smooth, the world would be quite flooded all the time. In point of fact, if the
Earth's mantle were perfectly smooth, like a billiard ball, there's enough
water present even today to cover the land to a depth of 9,000 feet of
water. That would be equivalent to a global ocean approximately 1.7 miles
deep.
Normal geological processes take thousands of years to accomplish, but
when you factor in the creator's participation in the Flood event, it's no
problem at all for the supreme being who has absolute power over not just
the earth's geological processes; but all the rest of nature's processes too.
What about dinosaurs? Did they go aboard with Noah too? No; too late.
Paleontologists are pretty sure the Jurassic era was over and gone by means
of a mysterious mass extinction event several millennia before the entrance
of human life on the earth; which, in my layman's opinion, is pretty good
proof that the six "days" of creation were quite a bit greater in length than
24 hours apiece.
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● Gen 6:19-20 . . And of all that lives, of all flesh, you shall take two of each
into the ark to keep alive with you; they shall be male and female. From
birds of every kind, cattle of every kind, every kind of creeping thing on
earth, two of each shall come to you to stay alive.
Apparently one pair of each kind was a minimum; I mean; Noah took four
pairs of humans aboard; and he was later given updated instructions to take
seven pairs of some species.
Fortunately Noah didn't have to go on safari to round up his passengers. The
Bible says two of each "shall come to you." which implies of course that
species who failed to come got left behind and went extinct in the Flood.
There was plenty of time for them to make it because Noah was 120 years
building the ark and getting it ready. Since the animals selected were
cooperative and docile, then the smaller beasties could hitch rides on the
larger ones and thus save themselves some steps.
A man named Dave Kunst walked across today's world in just a little over 4
years from June 1970 to October 1974. Kunst walked a total of 14,450
miles, crossing four continents and thirteen countries, wearing out 21 pair of
shoes, and walking more than 20 million steps. That was an odd thing to do,
but does prove it can be done in a relatively short time; so 120 years was
plenty enough for all the critters to make it on over to Noah's place in time
for The Folly's maiden voyage.
If the ark were to launch in 2019, critters would have been on the move
towards it since 1899-- four years before the Wright Brothers historical
flight, and thirteen years before the Titanic foundered --and probably
reproduced many times along the way since there are not all that many
species that live to see 120 years of age.
But how did they cross oceans? In the past that was doubtless a thorny
theological problem. But with today's knowledge of the geological science of
plate tectonics, the answer is as simple as two plus two. Scientists now know
that continental land masses can be shifted, and in point of fact the dry
parts brought so close together as to form one single super continent.
Scientists also know about magma hot spots and pressure points that can
raise and lower the earth's crust like a service elevator. Subduction no doubt
played a role by pushing sea beds up above sea level and made to form land
bridges; thus expediting migration.
This idea is by no means novel. For example: in 2014, a 9,000 year-old
stone structure used to capture caribou was discovered 120 feet below the
surface of Lake Huron; and is the most complex structure of its kind in the
Great Lakes region.
The structure consists of two parallel lanes of stones leading to a cul-de-sac.
Within the lanes are three circular hunting blinds where prehistoric hunters
hid while taking aim at caribou. The structure's size and design suggest that
hunting was probably a group effort, with one group driving caribou down
the lanes towards the blinds while another group waited to attack.
The site-- discovered by using sonar technology on the Alpena-Amberley
Ridge, 35 miles southeast of Alpena Michigan --was once a dry land corridor
connecting northeastern Michigan to southern Ontario.
Ten miles off the coast of Alabama in 60 feet of water in the Gulf of Mexico,
are the remains of a Bald Cypress grove that's estimated to be eight to
fourteen thousand years old; testifying that the earth's topography was
quite a bit different in the ancient past.
Actually the Earth's mantle is one continuous (albeit fractured) mass
anyway, although its profile is so irregular that dry land sticks up above sea
level at various high spots; which is a good thing because if the mantle were
smooth, the world would be quite flooded all the time. In point of fact, if the
Earth's mantle were perfectly smooth, like a billiard ball, there's enough
water present even today to cover the land to a depth of 9,000 feet of
water. That would be equivalent to a global ocean approximately 1.7 miles
deep.
Normal geological processes take thousands of years to accomplish, but
when you factor in the creator's participation in the Flood event, it's no
problem at all for the supreme being who has absolute power over not just
the earth's geological processes; but all the rest of nature's processes too.
What about dinosaurs? Did they go aboard with Noah too? No; too late.
Paleontologists are pretty sure the Jurassic era was over and gone by means
of a mysterious mass extinction event several millennia before the entrance
of human life on the earth; which, in my layman's opinion, is pretty good
proof that the six "days" of creation were quite a bit greater in length than
24 hours apiece.
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To answer the OP...no. I don't think they found Noah's ark. I think this is one more attempt to cast doubt on the truth of the word. They give the militant unbelievers ammunition to fling at believers. They do so much so that that I have heard people who claim to be Christian say that the Noah's ark event was a variety of things that contradict scripture, from a parable or allegory to only a flood of the region where Noah lived. And I have heard them do all the math with all the animals from ants to elephants.
But Jesus spoke of Noah as a real event and just as God can raise up descendants of Abraham from rocks, or make the Universe from his words. He can put as many animals as he wants into the space he wants and maintain them as long as he wants. My human reasoning does not measure up to God's capability. Why would God do what I can't understand, because he chooses to, and my understanding compared to his is microscopic. Read God's answers to Job. That will put things into perspective.
But Jesus spoke of Noah as a real event and just as God can raise up descendants of Abraham from rocks, or make the Universe from his words. He can put as many animals as he wants into the space he wants and maintain them as long as he wants. My human reasoning does not measure up to God's capability. Why would God do what I can't understand, because he chooses to, and my understanding compared to his is microscopic. Read God's answers to Job. That will put things into perspective.
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It would appear as signs and wonder seekers . "Seeing is believing"...
No such thing as sign gifts. Prophecy is for those who do believe as it is written the one source of the faith of God.. Signs are used to identified those who believe not .(No faith)
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
No such thing as sign gifts. Prophecy is for those who do believe as it is written the one source of the faith of God.. Signs are used to identified those who believe not .(No faith)
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
About the raven . . .?
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FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?
A: Well; the problem with that theory is that the waters breeched the
highest mountains by fifteen cubits (22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah
lived in a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the
mountains surrounding him and kept on going before they ever got up to
that 22½ feet of extra elevation.
But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breeched
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and even like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.
Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
22½ feet may not seem like a lot of water but when you consider the
diameter of the Earth, that is an enormous amount when it's above the
highest mountains. How high were the highest mountains in Noah's day?
Nobody really knows. But just supposing the tallest at that time was about
equal to California's Mount Laguna east of San Diego; viz: 5,738 feet above
sea level-- about 1.1 miles. Adding 22½ feet to that comes out to
approximately 5,761 feet.
The amount of rain it would take to accumulate that much water in only
forty days would be something like six global feet of depth per hour (not
taking into consideration that the diameter of the water's surface would
increase as the water got deeper)
To put that in perspective: the lobby of the Empire State Building in New
York city is approximately 47 feet above sea level. At 6 feet per hour, the
lobby would be under water in less than eight hours. The whole building,
lightening rod and all; would be under water in just a little over ten days.
The new One World Trade Center would be gone in about thirteen days, and
Denver in less than thirty-seven.
It's sometimes objected that there is no geological evidence to support the
Flood. Well it only lasted a year so what do the skeptics expect? And beside,
it was essentially standing water rather than flowing water so it would've
produced relatively little erosion, if any.
And the water was pulled off the Earth all at the same time from all over the
globe rather than drained off from a single location, viz: God didn't pull the
plug, so to speak. And then we should also take into consideration that
though the Flood's arrival was swift and violent, it's removal was relatively
gradual and gentle.
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FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?
A: Well; the problem with that theory is that the waters breeched the
highest mountains by fifteen cubits (22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah
lived in a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the
mountains surrounding him and kept on going before they ever got up to
that 22½ feet of extra elevation.
But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breeched
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and even like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.
Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
22½ feet may not seem like a lot of water but when you consider the
diameter of the Earth, that is an enormous amount when it's above the
highest mountains. How high were the highest mountains in Noah's day?
Nobody really knows. But just supposing the tallest at that time was about
equal to California's Mount Laguna east of San Diego; viz: 5,738 feet above
sea level-- about 1.1 miles. Adding 22½ feet to that comes out to
approximately 5,761 feet.
The amount of rain it would take to accumulate that much water in only
forty days would be something like six global feet of depth per hour (not
taking into consideration that the diameter of the water's surface would
increase as the water got deeper)
To put that in perspective: the lobby of the Empire State Building in New
York city is approximately 47 feet above sea level. At 6 feet per hour, the
lobby would be under water in less than eight hours. The whole building,
lightening rod and all; would be under water in just a little over ten days.
The new One World Trade Center would be gone in about thirteen days, and
Denver in less than thirty-seven.
It's sometimes objected that there is no geological evidence to support the
Flood. Well it only lasted a year so what do the skeptics expect? And beside,
it was essentially standing water rather than flowing water so it would've
produced relatively little erosion, if any.
And the water was pulled off the Earth all at the same time from all over the
globe rather than drained off from a single location, viz: God didn't pull the
plug, so to speak. And then we should also take into consideration that
though the Flood's arrival was swift and violent, it's removal was relatively
gradual and gentle.
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The object in the picture is the wrong shape. The ark had no need of a bow
or a stern, nor any need of propulsion or navigation. All it had to do was
float; as a barge; and according to the dimensions given in Gen 6:15, that's
exactly what it was.
NOTE: The ark's beam was 30 feet wider than its height, so should have
proved very stable, and difficult to capsize even in rough seas-- especially
since it had a flat bottom; which was good too for the purpose intended.
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The object in the picture is the wrong shape. The ark had no need of a bow
or a stern, nor any need of propulsion or navigation. All it had to do was
float; as a barge; and according to the dimensions given in Gen 6:15, that's
exactly what it was.
NOTE: The ark's beam was 30 feet wider than its height, so should have
proved very stable, and difficult to capsize even in rough seas-- especially
since it had a flat bottom; which was good too for the purpose intended.
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- why would Noah have an anchor?
- for Noah's ark to still be on Ararat, keep in mind that it has literally been thousands of years ago. one of two things would have to happen:
- the entire thing was buried rather quickly in mud and became petrified / fossilized
- it was miraculously preserved by God for a sign
- this is what they say is Noah's ark:
- this site is a national Turkish park; it's not 'prohibited from access' like some websites claim. it's not petrified wood. it's rock.
- if that's supposed to be a miraculously preserved obvious ark, i gotta admit i thought God would do a more convincing job of it
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