Didn’t God make all things Good?

[UnderGrace]

God never made Satan. Nor evil..

Are you suggesting the Satan is being who had no beginning?

 

[TheWind]

The account of creation in the Bible deals with the creation of the world and everything in it.. It did not deal with the creation of angels or heaven.. So when God said it was good He was only talking about the universe creation He had just completed..

satan was created as a cherubim Angel who formed part of the throne of God in Heaven.. satan formerly known as Lucifer was an angel that had wings and formed the covering for the throne of God.. Gods throne was made up of cherubs.. Angels with both human and animal parts they where hybrid type Angels.. The Bible gives an account of a group of cherubs in the first chapter of the book of Ezekiel ..

I thought Jesus was from the foundation? Not Lucifer? Hmmmmmm

 

[TheWind]

You need a better understanding.

Maybe it’s not me... maybe it’s you! ... after all....Didn’t many also misunderstand Jesus and the truth... isn’t the truth what we are waiting for! Isn’t that why they killed one man... because hey didn’t understand HIM... although gods children be of the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved ....And what Jesus came to defend.. was the truth. And because He is living....I am able to speak my truth...And you think my perception is off, but then I think your perception is off... however that at least is one of the same problems Jesus had. While he tried to save sinners from the judgmental... and the priests and the Jews are the ones who killed him because they thought his doctrine was wrong...: ONE MANS VOICE ....verses the whole world. And the only ones that really loved him were the sinners... so pardon me if think I have a misunderstanding... I know we’re I get mine.. but you don’t know. So how dare you accuse me of lack of understanding. I didn’t accuse you...until you opened that door to be so... maybe you are one of the accuser of the brethren. Do you know the Father of old days...Joseph? The father Who Jesus worshipped? Maybe not so.... if you don’t know who your accusing. How do you know my studies or my faith based off questions and accusations? How do you know who’s name I come in..?? ... and the light shone in darkness.. and the darkness comprehended NOT... I think you need a better understanding... For God is the beginning and End... Did not grace save you? When you had fallen? Or I guess you worn born Holy... I thank God for sending Lucifer. To know that I’ve been loved. For his evil worked for my Good... and made me of a pure heart... my post meant well.. Have a blessed day.

 

[TheWind]

Are you suggesting the Satan is being who had no beginning?

Senior member or not... he reveals things to babes. Not to the wise. For they are already filled!!!! Peace be unto you..

 

[TheWind]

Revelation 20 reveals that satan is that serpent of old..

Revelation 20: KJV
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

Satan gets no glory for what God does. He was allowed to do what he had to do for Gods purpose. Therefore God gets the only praise for whatever any spirit does. Whether light nor dark.. in the day or night. GOD IS IN CHARGE OF ALL WIND, and BREATH... Satan has no power unless God gives him such. Please give the devil no glory for his works. For they are allowed only in God’s time and purpose.

 

[Adstar]

I thought Jesus was from the foundation? Not Lucifer? Hmmmmmm

Jesus has always been.. satan is a created Angelic being..

 

[Leastamongmany]

He created LUCIFER which FELL by transgression......and there is a difference.......

CONTROVERSY

David! Please tell me about yourself! I haven't seen YOU yet,just the horse you ride on ...lol! I know there has to be more to YOU THAN ANTAGONISTIC CONTROVERSY! Somewhere underneath must be a warm caring person! I believe that! Blessings!

 

[TheWind]

Jesus has always been.. satan is a created Angelic being..

So Satan created himself then? Your belief is contradictory... love and pray for your enemy.. what would David be without a Goliath to defeat? Why did Jesus preach forgiveness... Are you waiting for Lucifer or for God? Maybe they are one in the same being... for nothing Lucifer can do is without a god...

 

[Adstar]

Satan gets no glory for what God does. He was allowed to do what he had to do for Gods purpose. Therefore God gets the only praise for whatever any spirit does. Whether light nor dark.. in the day or night. GOD IS IN CHARGE OF ALL WIND, and BREATH... Satan has no power unless God gives him such. Please give the devil no glory for his works. For they are allowed only in God’s time and purpose.

I am not giving satan any glory.. God gave satan free will along with the other angels.. And they are responsible for what they chose to do with their free will.. Likewise we humans who where created lower then angels are responsible for our personal responses to the will of God in regards to if we will accept the gift of the Atonement God has seen to it that we where provided for by the LORD Jesus..

 

[Leastamongmany]

Please. I will take any prayers. For we all sin and fall short of the Glory of God. But, I have an understanding... I have sought the truth.. I was just asking a question.. but you assume something to think I am in a worse position. I believe in the name of Christ. Nor am I an enemy.

I'm sorry that I offended you,please forgive me. We all need prayers,so don't forget me in yours!

 

[TheWind]

I am not giving satan any glory.. God gave satan free will along with the other angels.. And they are responsible for what they chose to do with their free will.. Likewise we humans who where created lower then angels are responsible for our personal responses to the will of God in regards to if we will accept the gift of the Atonement God has seen to it that we where provided for by the LORD Jesus..

Sounds like Adam to me... given free will... he knew what was at stake when he ate the fruit. And then he used Gods own gifted word to blame God and the woman... and the woman knew the law as she stated before she took the fruit as well .. so how was she deceived. And I thought the creation desired the host? And the host desired the creation? All things are for good in the end. After all. No disobedience or denial.. we wouldn’t have Jesus... so it was all for Gods purpose to dwell in the place that he made.. is what I have concluded.

 

[Adstar]

So Satan created himself then? Your belief is contradictory... love and pray for your enemy.. what would David be without a Goliath to defeat? Why did Jesus preach forgiveness... Are you waiting for Lucifer or for God? Maybe they are one in the same being... for nothing Lucifer can do is without a god...

No satan was created by God along with all the other angels..

Yes Jesus told us to love and pray for our enemies..

David was before the Gospel times and therefore He defeated the giant Goliath descendant of Anak..

Jesus preached forgiveness because that is the only Way human beings can be reconciled to a restored eternal relationship with God.. Christians believe we enter into eternity because we are justly forgiven our transgressions not because of our Good deeds or our ability to cease doing bad deeds..

I am waiting for the return of my LORD Jesus Christ..

God is the eternal Creator God of all existence.. satan is just a created being..

God is longsuffering towards His creation and satan can only do what God allows,, But God allowing something is NOT the same as God wanting that something.. God allows us to live our faulty lives knowing that some will believe and trust in His will so He can justly Redeem them.. God wishes to save as much of His creation as He can and He will..

 

[TheWind]

I'm sorry that I offended you,please forgive me. We all need prayers,so don't forget me in yours!

No offense takin.. thank you.. and always my prayers and my Hope belongs to God. That someday my testimony of sin and ignorance from birth...may grow to be a fruitful tree... of wisdom and understanding ...And the righteous already walk with God.. but God came for the ungodly.. and that is who he is here for... we all must remember we are saved by grace.

 

[UnderGrace]

So Satan created himself then? Your belief is contradictory... love and pray for your enemy.. what would David be without a Goliath to defeat? Why did Jesus preach forgiveness... Are you waiting for Lucifer or for God? Maybe they are one in the same being... for nothing Lucifer can do is without a god...

I see you are into "mystery religion" kabbalah, Gnosticism etc., etc., .... I think your days maybe numbered.

 

[TheWind]

No satan was created by God along with all the other angels..

Yes Jesus told us to love and pray for our enemies..

David was before the Gospel times and therefore He defeated the giant Goliath descendant of Anak..

Jesus preached forgiveness because that is the only Way human beings can be reconciled to a restored eternal relationship with God.. Christians believe we enter into eternity because we are justly forgiven our transgressions not because of our Good deeds or our ability to cease doing bad deeds..

I am waiting for the return of my LORD Jesus Christ..

God is the eternal Creator God of all existence.. satan is just a created being..

God is longsuffering towards His creation and satan can only do what God allows,, But God allowing something is NOT the same as God wanting that something.. God allows us to live our faulty lives knowing that some will believe and trust in His will so He can justly Redeem them.. God wishes to save as much of His creation as He can and He will..

Absolutely. And Jesus our Lord and Savior came for the ungodly... not the righteous. For they already walk with God... need you be a judge of Lucifer too? Only God can judge evil from Good. We are no one to say the least... but I believe God that all things are good. Therefore in this case....Lucifer is for the good... not for evil... he is no one by whom sent him... Even Jesus said... why do you call me Good.. No one is good but God. For God can judge all men with respect to persons...

 

[TheWind]

I see you are into "mystery religion" kabbalah, Gnosticism etc., etc., .... I think your days maybe numbered.

Hahaha. That’s funny. What would you know about those things to be able to judge me... maybe you that judge does the same things. Romans 2:1. How else would you know about Gnosticism if you have studied those things yourself..

 

[UnderGrace]

Maybe it’s not me... maybe it’s you! ... after all....Didn’t many also misunderstand Jesus and the truth... isn’t the truth what we are waiting for! Isn’t that why they killed one man... because hey didn’t understand HIM... although gods children be of the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved ....And what Jesus came to defend.. was the truth. And because He is living....I am able to speak my truth...And you think my perception is off, but then I think your perception is off... however that at least is one of the same problems Jesus had. While he tried to save sinners from the judgmental... and the priests and the Jews are the ones who killed him because they thought his doctrine was wrong...: ONE MANS VOICE ....verses the whole world. And the only ones that really loved him were the sinners... so pardon me if think I have a misunderstanding... I know we’re I get mine.. but you don’t know. So how dare you accuse me of lack of understanding. I didn’t accuse you...until you opened that door to be so... maybe you are one of the accuser of the brethren. Do you know the Father of old days...Joseph? The father Who Jesus worshipped? Maybe not so.... if you don’t know who your accusing. How do you know my studies or my faith based off questions and accusations? How do you know who’s name I come in..?? ... and the light shone in darkness.. and the darkness comprehended NOT... I think you need a better understanding... For God is the beginning and End... Did not grace save you? When you had fallen? Or I guess you worn born Holy... I thank God for sending Lucifer. To know that I’ve been loved. For his evil worked for my Good... and made me of a pure heart... my post meant well.. Have a blessed day.

Btw there is no Lucifer.... more mystery religion nonsense, there is only Satan.

 

[TheWind]

Go

I see you are into "mystery religion" kabbalah, Gnosticism etc., etc., .... I think your days maybe numbered.

God is the god of the just and the unjust. he causes it to rain on both. .. Abraham had many children including those in Islam and Judaism ..do you judge them as such also?

 

[UnderGrace]

Hahaha. That’s funny. What would you know about those things to be able to judge me... maybe you that judge does the same things. Romans 2:1. How else would you know about Gnosticism if you have studied those things yourself..

I probably know more than you sadly.

I studied it for a reason not because I believed any of it.

 

[TheWind]

Btw there is no Lucifer.... more mystery religion nonsense, there is only Satan.

Darkness has many names... and many false prophets and teachers. Certainly his name regardless is insignificant to any purpose.