Trinity haters on CC

[jaybird88]

Correct, primarily cults and oddball Christians who deny core Christian doctrine.

thank you for making my point.

Anti-Trinitarians are basically divisive individuals. Scripture warns against it. Cultic groups use this as one of the points to convince others that their belief system is correct, and to dissuade them from Christianity.

and the irony of this is that there are none of these non trins doing this here. yet we do have you calling anyone and everyone in darkness, non believers, dark cult and every other ugly name you can think of because they do not share your opinion. what did Jesus teach on hypocrites?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

thank you for making my point.

and the irony of this is that there are none of these non trins doing this here. yet we do have you calling anyone and everyone in darkness, non believers, dark cult and every other ugly name you can think of because they do not share your opinion. what did Jesus teach on hypocrites?

I'm not a hypocrite. I believe that those who deny Jesus is God are not saved yet. That's a sincere warning.

Regarding anti-Trinitarianism, I believe it is evil to cause doubt in believers' minds on this topic. It is an attempt to cause them to doubt biblical Christianity.

 

[jaybird88]

I'm not a hypocrite. I believe that those who deny Jesus is God are not saved yet. That's a sincere warning.

i dont share your opinions yet im not so bitter about it im gonna scream at everyone your going to hell

Regarding anti-Trinitarianism, I believe it is evil to cause doubt in believers' minds on this topic. It is an attempt to cause them to doubt biblical Christianity.

telling someone Jesus never existed would be causing doubt. your teaching one should never question what they are told. so i guess if you ever catch yourself in a church and the preacher tells everyone to drink the koolaid your just gonna drink it, good luck with that.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

i dont share your opinions yet im not so bitter about it im gonna scream at everyone your going to hell


telling someone Jesus never existed would be causing doubt. your teaching one should never question what they are told. so i guess if you ever catch yourself in a church and the preacher tells everyone to drink the koolaid your just gonna drink it, good luck with that.

No, I belonged to a cultic group at once and discovered that while they projected themselves as knowledgeable, they were claiming to be knowledgeable but were ignorant. I studied the Trinity doctrine and realized that they were liars. Those who fabricate stories and distort to make them seem like the knowledgeable ones are not to be trusted. They are like old guys who sit on the toilet seat reading National Enquirer magazines, thinking they have the secret insider information and they are the wise ones...not realizing all the while that they are reading materials that are only fit for toilet paper.

 

[CS1]

At least one individual on this thread seems to be promoting Oneness doctrine, which is associated with Oneness Pentecostalism typically.

It is a heretical teaching.

Rob Bowman has written a very good article in this regard, and I am attaching a pdf form of this document. Some of the same arguments are brought up on this thread.

Oneness is not supported here as a norm just saying. I hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. But I also understand getting a study Bible is not all you need to understand the Eternal Godhead. One must have help from the Holy Spirit as the Gospel of John says.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Oneness is not supported here as a norm just saying. I hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. But I also understand getting a study Bible is not all you need to understand the Eternal Godhead. One must have help from the Holy Spirit as the Gospel of John says.

I accept that as a given, the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Of course his illumination is necessary.

 

[CS1]

No, I belonged to a cultic group at once and discovered that while they projected themselves as knowledgeable, they were claiming to be knowledgeable but were ignorant. I studied the Trinity doctrine and realized that they were liars. Those who fabricate stories and distort to make them seem like the knowledgeable ones are not to be trusted. They are like old guys who sit on the toilet seat reading National Enquirer magazines, thinking they have the secret insider information and they are the wise ones...not realizing all the while that they are reading materials that are only fit for toilet paper.

your demeanor is confrontational just saying. Which is common with those who have come out of cultic condition. They are very legalistic and aggressive. manyly because of fear and they have not gotten over been deceived. So it is a defence mechanism. relax chill out, be cool. if you have not seen most here agree with your point yet you are up and Adam about one person? LOL

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

your demeanor is confrontational just saying. Which is common with those who have come out of cultic condition. They are very legalistic and aggressive. manyly because of fear and they have not gotten over been deceived. So it is a defence mechanism. relax chill out, be cool. if you have not seen most here agree with your point yet you are up and Adam about one person? LOL

Understood. I do tend to be a bit aggressive. I think it's two people though.

 

[CS1]

Understood. I do tend to be a bit aggressive. I think it's two people though.

Ok NP

 

[jaybird88]

No, I belonged to a cultic group at once and discovered that while they projected themselves as knowledgeable, they were claiming to be knowledgeable but were ignorant. I studied the Trinity doctrine and realized that they were liars. Those who fabricate stories and distort to make them seem like the knowledgeable ones are not to be trusted. They are like old guys who sit on the toilet seat reading National Enquirer magazines, thinking they have the secret insider information and they are the wise ones...not realizing all the while that they are reading materials that are only fit for toilet paper.

so what you did back then is exactly what your telling people not to do now. thats sound advice.

 

[CherieR]

Understood. I do tend to be a bit aggressive. I think it's two people though.

James 1:19 says:

" Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" ( KJV )

I found it so in my own life how easy it can be to do the opposite of the verse which then would become slow to hear, quick to speak, and quick to anger... Not a good combination. 😅. I also notice how often times if I immediately speak when mad, nothing good seems to come out, so I can understand the reasoning behind this verse advising to be slow to speak.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

so what you did back then is exactly what your telling people not to do now. thats sound advice.

Right. I caution all not to listen to heretics.

 

[jaybird88]

your demeanor is confrontational just saying. Which is common with those who have come out of cultic condition. They are very legalistic and aggressive. manyly because of fear and they have not gotten over been deceived. So it is a defence mechanism. relax chill out, be cool. if you have not seen most here agree with your point yet you are up and Adam about one person? LOL

ya gotta stay cool daddio, we cant let stress get us bent out of shape. whats why when im at work and my boss starts with all his "bout time you got here", "what do i pay you for?" or, "what do you even do here?" thats when i sneak off and stick my head in one of the chemical mixing vats and it fixes me right up.

 

[Noose]

Scripture is silent on that issue. Jesus was talking about the humility of a child.

I am not saying they are saved, and I am not saying they aren't. It's something Scripture is silent upon. The only possible inference is that David thought he would go to his son, but his son can't come back to him.

The scripture is not silent on anything just the doctrines you are proposing are silent.

And you are right, the meek shall inherit the kingdom not the emotionally charged.

 

[Noose]

If only material things can be counted, why would Scripture speak of angels in the plural?

Because you can not say angel (in singular), that would be counting too but plurality is based on functions and God's seven spirits doesn't mean that there is one spirit there and another here and still others this other side, but the functions- the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and strength, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

 

[Dino246]

Because you can not say angel (in singular), that would be counting too but plurality is based on functions and God's seven spirits doesn't mean that there is one spirit there and another here and still others this other side, but the functions- the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and strength, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Methinks you're playing with semantics. The original languages have plurals, and speak of counted individual entities.

 

[garee]

I'm not a hypocrite. I believe that those who deny Jesus is God are not saved yet. That's a sincere warning.

Regarding anti-Trinitarianism, I believe it is evil to cause doubt in believers' minds on this topic. It is an attempt to cause them to doubt biblical Christianity.

Jesus as the Son of man denied that his flesh profiting for something? It was a one time outward demonstration promised in Isiah 53 (the father and son working as one, two not three)) as the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world . Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter heaven .

God simply is not a man as us.

If we walk by his faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure then there is no need to try and make God, eternal Spirit into to a man.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

 

[garee]

Noose said: Exceptional situations not.
Children don't believe in Christ but are saved and we are told if we don't become like them we shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It is imposible to be given the faith of Christ(hearing God) as it works in us to both will and do his good pleasure and not beleive( be saved)

Its not about tasting without eating ..but rather doing the will by believing, receiving the end of our new faith from the beginning.

The example was like to be child like in trusting things not seen. Not childish as a unbeliever.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.Hebrews6

 

[Noose]

Methinks you're playing with semantics. The original languages have plurals, and speak of counted individual entities.

Whatever happens in heaven is nothing more than an understanding.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him.

The above expression doesn't mean two distinct, countable persons will be in your heart (mind) even though it is written to show plurality. The above statement only means you will have a changed heart or you'll understand the truth.

 

[Noose]

It is imposible to be given the faith of Christ(hearing God) as it works in us to both will and do his good pleasure and not beleive( be saved)

Its not about tasting without eating ..but rather doing the will by believing, receiving the end of our new faith from the beginning.

The example was like to be child like in trusting things not seen. Not childish as a unbeliever.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.Hebrews6

Children only have faith in their parents but are saved, some don't even know anything.