Not By Works
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SO what.....just because I liked something he said does mean I embraced everything he said....and for sure the following verse overrides any and all working for salvation drivel....
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
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You agreed with him that “it is impossible for a Christian not to work “ out of one side of your mouth, and then said it is possible for a Christian not to work out of the other. You are the epitome of contradiction
Like my sig? you liked it several months ago. So you agree with the very thing that you call drivel. Classic
Gb9 and UG liked it too, but now it’s all of a sudden anathema to say that
Like my sig? you liked it several months ago. So you agree with the very thing that you call drivel. Classic
Gb9 and UG liked it too, but now it’s all of a sudden anathema to say that
And your an idiot that embellishes what people say and then adds your own flavor....same thing Satan did in the garden...so..who leads you exactly....not God....
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
No wonder I quit responding to your idiocy....thanks for reminding me why!
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
No wonder I quit responding to your idiocy....thanks for reminding me why!
Ad hominem sighting🤪. Well anyways, methinks that EG believes in justification by faith apart from works just as I do, which shows conclusively that your response is a strawman, ie, you are saying the quoted post from EG denies sola fidei, which it does not. Therefore you are guilty of a strawman fallacy. So there you go.
You ignore me because I hold you accountable to what you say.
You ignore me because I hold you accountable to what you say.
You like to twist things. I never did nor will I ever as long as I have breath in my lungs state that we do not have to follow a command of Jesus Christ.
You deem Matthew 28 as us literally speaking to others where I have stated the power of prayer is real. You can pray for individuals, asking God to make himself known to them. I do it all the time; I do it for complete strangers; I do it for people I don’t even know exist, asking God to reveal himself to 10 people somewhere on planet earth that he otherwise may not have done so.
That is taking an active role in Matthew 28 without literally speaking to people. Again I did not say you don’t half to follow Jesus’s command, I said you don’t have to necessarily speak to people in order to follow through with the great commission.
You deem Matthew 28 as us literally speaking to others where I have stated the power of prayer is real. You can pray for individuals, asking God to make himself known to them. I do it all the time; I do it for complete strangers; I do it for people I don’t even know exist, asking God to reveal himself to 10 people somewhere on planet earth that he otherwise may not have done so.
That is taking an active role in Matthew 28 without literally speaking to people. Again I did not say you don’t half to follow Jesus’s command, I said you don’t have to necessarily speak to people in order to follow through with the great commission.
But in the context of what has been taught here, that justification apart from works (which I believe) means that if I say , with John the apostle,that if we know Christ, we will obey Him equals works salvation, and when I point out the error of that premise, by quoting 1 John 2:3-4, and then you take one of my examples and say “ you don’t have to do that”, it seems that you are arguing for the premise I am arguing against, which is a bad, sub biblical premise
I believe Romans 4:4-5. I also believe 1 John 2:4 and Ephesians 2:10. Do you? Yes or no? And is Matthew 25 relevant to Christians at all? How do you reconcile your hypothetical saved 50 years with no fruit and no good works with Matthew 25? With 1 John 2:4? With Ephesians 2:10? With Titusv2:14?
The fact that you hypothesized such a thing reveals a clear imbalance in your theology
We are not saved by works, but works are God’s intention and purpose for us. Not to be saved, but to reflect His Glory. Not to be saved, BUT BECAUSE we are saved!
We ar not saved unto disobedience
The fact that you hypothesized such a thing reveals a clear imbalance in your theology
We are not saved by works, but works are God’s intention and purpose for us. Not to be saved, but to reflect His Glory. Not to be saved, BUT BECAUSE we are saved!
We ar not saved unto disobedience
All I know is you agreed with EG that it is impossible for a Christian not to work, and then turned around and said “ a person can be saved 50 years and have no good works.
Then you defend it by quoting Romans 4:4. Red herring. Because this is not a question regarding justification, it regards REGENERATION
Your model seems to include justification while excluding regeneration.
Justification is a legal decree. Regeneration is an inward work. Your argument for justification does not negate the equally important Divine work of regeneration, no matter how many names you call or ad hominem or red herrings you use, it changes nothing
Then you defend it by quoting Romans 4:4. Red herring. Because this is not a question regarding justification, it regards REGENERATION
Your model seems to include justification while excluding regeneration.
Justification is a legal decree. Regeneration is an inward work. Your argument for justification does not negate the equally important Divine work of regeneration, no matter how many names you call or ad hominem or red herrings you use, it changes nothing
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I don’t just read words, I read them in the context that they are spoken. If you were just clicking, and did not read who and what I was responding to, then I misunderstood you, but an honest mistake, because you spoke in a bubble, and out of context of the discussion
So I apologize for misunderstanding you.
So I apologize for misunderstanding you.