Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Those who are in Christ are parts of His body, the church which He will save. (Colossians 1:18, Ephesians 5:23)

They received the Holy Spirit through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14) for the glory of God the Father. (John 17:1-26), to prepare God's people for works of service.(Ephesians 4:11-32)

On their hearts of flesh were written the laws "love God and your neighbours as yourself".
because LOVE is the fulfilment of the law.(Romans 13:8-14)

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:10-12

What would the Lawgiver give us? What would the Lawgiver and Judge base His judgment on?

If no one needs the law and no one can keep them, no one can be in the kingdom of God who is the One Lawgiver and Judge.

The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

The curse of death was already broken through the the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and we no longer live accdg. to the sinful nature but accdg. to the Spirit. We sow to please the Spirit and we reap what we sow.

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. This is my command: Love each other. John 15:16-17

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
... Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:11,24

Would the Spirit He gave us lead us to disobey the law that was written on our hearts? Never.

The point is that Faith is working together with our actions and what counts is Faith that works in Love because Faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-26, Galatians 5:6)

Never did Jesus tell His disciples to not obey or keep the law. It's the work of the enemy.

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 1 John 3:4-8

Nice dodge

i am not seeking to promote disobedience or lawlessness

i asked how we can keep a law that was written to be broken. That was written for the simple fact of showing we are sinners, and lead us to christ. Written so that only one person ever has kept it, that person is christ.

paul said of you are seeking to be under law, you are cursed, it does not matter what christ did, the purpose of the law was to expose us and lead us, not teach us.

i have learned one thing since being in CC, lawyers are the biggest dodgers of any group i have ever had a discussion with.

they post a bunch of scripture which they think proves their point, when it does not

they make comments based on a thought that others are promoting lawlessness, which just makes things worse, because the one asking just gets frustrated because he or she is not being understood.

good luck trying to follow the ministrations of death.

me? I will search to love others and God. And seek to learn not to serve self. And in doing so, do the things you are working your tail off to do, and never do it.

i have tried to help you all understand that is the means of christian growth, not Trying to follow some law you will never master in this lifetime, and can not even show you how to follow it or what every sin is.

its not on me you refuse to hear,

i praise god someone showed me the lint, i will continue to pray someone can show you where you will see,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How does the above imply "foolw the law for righteousness. Here I hav something you probably use to accuse me, BUT the things is, it is the word. Tell me what does this mean? Explain to me these passages in the way you see, maybe you can pursuade me, I can't view these the way I do and accept your view, if you can show me I am mistaken, then again It could pursuade me, if you refuse to and keep badgering me Ill assume you just want someone to talk down to. If this is an honest discussion based from a good heart this should be simple, after all this is a Bible discussion.



1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

Matthew 11:27-30, " 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Jeremiah 6:14-17, " 14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. 15 Were they ashamed when they committed abomination? No, they were not at all ashamed; they did not know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,” says the LORD. 16 Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ 17 I set watchmen over you, saying, ‘Pay attention to the sound of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We will not pay attention.’"

then why can we not fulfill the law?

 

[Chester]

I want to say, I never said enemy soldier, because fighting a war for a contry is a whole other topic. I was speaking of something like a violent murdurer breaking into a place and trying to murder people, in that case I think self defense is 100% ok.

BUT!, possibly im wrong, Im not against what you show here in the word, Jesus DID say it, and it is clear. However there is a single reason I said what I did*



I know Jesus was sent to offer Himself up, so it would make sense that He would not "defend" Himself, but why would He tell His disciples to "buy a sword" other than to defend themselves?

*Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one."

When Peter did use the sword, Jesus rebuked him and healed the damage.

 

[Chester]

I know Jesus was sent to offer Himself up, so it would make sense that He would not "defend" Himself, but why would He tell His disciples to "buy a sword" other than to defend themselves?

*Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one."

Two things:
(1) You are right Jesus says for them to buy a sword - but he does say they are to use it to kill people. Swords can be used for defense against wild enemies, etc. This is a difficult question: why did Jesus ask them to buy a sword? But to use this to put aside the clear teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount I do not think is good doctrine.
(2) Do you see what you are doing by saying the disciples could defend themselves but Jesus would not? You are tossing aside some of the "hard" sayings of Jesus because they do not match comfortableness in our culture. You are saying some things Jesus said and did only applied to him, but not to his disciples. That seems the same way of arguing as some are saying here that the sayings of Jesus are only for the Jews at the time Jesus was living.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well you did say:



Also find one time I



I have NEVER done either of these. But you project it on to me and them beat up the projection.

Lets talk about the word? I asked questions about a few verses in my last post to you, you giving me your view will go a long way in working through this debate.

yep, by following the law your indebted to keep it, this makes you a slave to sin, because you can not keep it

if you think you keep the law. Then you water down the law. Its quite simple math, anything short of 100% = fail, if you fail, yet say you do not fail, you are watering down the standard,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wait so you accuse me of something, when I ask you to show me where I said anything you accuse me of you turn it back on me, I m supposed to find my words that prove your accusations.

Wow. How am I suppposed to know what is going on your head to make you say things, thats crazy.

You made statements about me, show me where I said anything that you accuse me of. you can not prove a single thing you have accused me of, because they are false accusations.

i have showed you numerous times, you deny it, why do you think i should waste my time to show you again just so you can deny it

i showed you on in that post, notice how you missed it, then claim i did not sow you

thats being deceptive, either willfully, or unknowingly i can not say, but it is deceptive all the same

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Two things:
(1) You are right Jesus says for them to buy a sword - but he does say they are to use it to kill people. Swords can be used for defense against wild enemies, etc. This is a difficult question: why did Jesus ask them to buy a sword? But to use this to put aside the clear teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount I do not think is good doctrine.
(2) Do you see what you are doing by saying the disciples could defend themselves but Jesus would not? You are tossing aside some of the "hard" sayings of Jesus because they do not match comfortableness in our culture. You are saying some things Jesus said and did only applied to him, but not to his disciples. That seems the same way of arguing as some are saying here that the sayings of Jesus are only for the Jews at the time Jesus was living.

So if men are surrounding you, about to rape your wife and kids, you would do nothing to defend them? Even though God gave you the ability?
please do not say you think it is gods will for your wife and kids to be raped!

 

[wokinluv]

So explain this

the law was given, and a demand of perfection was required, anyone who failed to meet this standard was said to be cursed,

how in gods name can a law which does thos show a person how to be righteous? When at best, all it can do is show a person how sinful they are?

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3:10-14

Without the Holy Spirit in us, we remain in death which is the curse of the Law.

God is Love. (1 John 4:8-16)

God is perfect. (Matthew 5:48

Love is perfect.(1 John 4:18)

Who is working in and WITH a believer? (Matthew 19:26, Romans 8:28, Philippians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 3:9, 12:6&11)

No one who is living according to the Spirit in Him is under a curse but “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
John 6:63

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Luke 12:10

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12 (Ref: Matthew 7:1-29, Romans2:1-29)

Nice dodge

i am not seeking to promote disobedience or lawlessness

i asked how we can keep a law that was written to be broken. That was written for the simple fact of showing we are sinners, and lead us to christ. Written so that only one person ever has kept it, that person is christ.

paul said of you are seeking to be under law, you are cursed, it does not matter what christ did, the purpose of the law was to expose us and lead us, not teach us.

i have learned one thing since being in CC, lawyers are the biggest dodgers of any group i have ever had a discussion with.

they post a bunch of scripture which they think proves their point, when it does not

they make comments based on a thought that others are promoting lawlessness, which just makes things worse, because the one asking just gets frustrated because he or she is not being understood.

good luck trying to follow the ministrations of death.

me? I will search to love others and God. And seek to learn not to serve self. And in doing so, do the things you are working your tail off to do, and never do it.

i have tried to help you all understand that is the means of christian growth, not Trying to follow some law you will never master in this lifetime, and can not even show you how to follow it or what every sin is.

its not on me you refuse to hear,

i praise god someone showed me the lint, i will continue to pray someone can show you where you will see,

Yes. You can judge as long as you want and talk all day long.

But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:19-20

But who would believe you?

Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

You can claim to have faith and reject those who uphold the law. You can claim to know God but be rejected like those who call Him Lord, Lord but reject the Lawgiver by rejecting what He gave them. You may be able to enter His kingdom because of your faith but you will be weeded out of it if you don't REPENT and obey what you have heard and received.

...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:41-43

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:23

 

[Grandpa]

When Peter did use the sword, Jesus rebuked him and healed the damage.

Because they were taking Him to be crucified. That was Gods Will.

If they weren't supposed to protect themselves then the Lord Jesus wouldn't have let them wear swords.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3:10-14

Without the Holy Spirit in us, we remain in death which is the curse of the Law.

God is Love. (1 John 4:8-16)

God is perfect. (Matthew 5:48

Love is perfect.(1 John 4:18)

Who is working in and WITH a believer? (Matthew 19:26, Romans 8:28, Philippians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 3:9, 12:6&11)

No one who is living according to the Spirit in Him is under a curse but “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
John 6:63

so if being under law demands a curse, and jesus removed the curse, why go back under the law which can only curse you?

i asked you why, and you keep dodging and posting verses about obedience.
and you wonder why people get Frustrated .

yes, if we seek after the things of the spirit we will not fulfill the lusts, that does not say pit yourself under law to obey it,

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Luke 12:10

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12 (Ref: Matthew 7:1-29, Romans2:1-29)

So its ok for you to slander people, ut if you feel slandered you have to judge, then say how much a sin it is to judge?
lol, thanks, that made me laugh,

Yes. You can judge as long as you want and talk all day long.

But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:19-20

But who would believe you?

Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

You can claim to have faith and reject those who uphold the law. You can claim to know God but be rejected like those who call Him Lord, Lord but reject the Lawgiver by rejecting what He gave them. You may be able to enter His kingdom because of your faith but you will be weeded out of it if you don't REPENT and obey what you have heard and received.

...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:41-43

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:23

yet those evidoers were doing exacly what your doing, doing works in jesus name. Everyone of us apart from grace are considered evil doers, again you puff yourself up like the righteous pharisee

again, i will pray for you

i am not preaching against obedience, and trying to help you understand HOW to be obedient.

 

[Grandpa]

so if being under law demands a curse, and jesus removed the curse, why go back under the law which can only curse you?

i asked you why, and you keep dodging and posting verses about obedience.
and you wonder why people get Frustrated .

yes, if we seek after the things of the spirit we will not fulfill the lusts, that does not say pit yourself under law to obey it,



So its ok for you to slander people, ut if you feel slandered you have to judge, then say how much a sin it is to judge?
lol, thanks, that made me laugh,



yet those evidoers were doing exacly what your doing, doing works in jesus name. Everyone of us apart from grace are considered evil doers, again you puff yourself up like the righteous pharisee

again, i will pray for you

i am not preaching against obedience, and trying to help you understand HOW to be obedient.

I asked a legalist recently if he would rather work at the law or would he rather be righteous.

Because a choice has to be made. There is no righteousness for us in the law. Our righteousness is from Christ, alone.


I was hoping that they would be able to see this but some apparently still don't understand.

 

[NayborBear]

They THINK they have us cornered with all this scripture

problem is they do not know us, so how could they have us cornered? Lol

Not "cornered!" EXPOSED!
For the "swine" you are!
Smashing "pearls", meant to help you, in your (supposed) "striving/s" towards "Spiritual Maturity!"
Problem with you, and most of your ilk is yer jez to friggin' stupid and stiff-necked to shut yer pie hole, and LISTEN!
Behaving like the "spiritually wayward children", you are!

You "think" y'all are gonna be sitting on "thrones" judging nations, by the way y'all behave and talk "crap", the way y'all do!
But, yer not!
Y'all are gonna BE judged! Then? TAUGHT! AND? "Learn!" Or not!
Y'all "think" y'all have "escaped" the 2nd death!
Sitting there so "smug" and feeling SO SECURE in y'alls salvation!
I'll tell y'all now! You'll believe me later! (that is, if there's enough of your minds left to remember)
Y'all ain't escaped !

Do I sin? In the "flesh?" Heck YEAH I SIN!
In the Spirit? Not so much anymore!
Yet? I am not SO VAIN as to "think/feel/act/TALK" like my salvation, as well as my Spiritual Maturity is "as ASSURED" as y'all talk like Y'ALL's is!
This is what KEEPS me going forward!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as "lively stones", are built up a "spiritual house"(Beth-El), an Holy Priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 6
14 And God hath BOTH "raised up the Lord", and WILL ALSO raise up us BY HIS "OWN" POWER!
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Last I heard? 1 stone? in 1 body? Does NOT a "Temple", nor "Spiritual House" make!

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

then why can we not fulfill the law?

SO I ask you to breakdown a few verses to further our conversation and remedy our disagreement, possibly helping me see things your way;

How does the above imply "foolw the law for righteousness. Here I hav something you probably use to accuse me, BUT the things is, it is the word. Tell me what does this mean? Explain to me these passages in the way you see, maybe you can pursuade me, I can't view these the way I do and accept your view, if you can show me I am mistaken, then again It could pursuade me, if you refuse to and keep badgering me Ill assume you just want someone to talk down to. If this is an honest discussion based from a good heart this should be simple, after all this is a Bible discussion.



1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

Matthew 11:27-30, " 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Jeremiah 6:14-17, " 14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. 15 Were they ashamed when they committed abomination? No, they were not at all ashamed; they did not know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,” says the LORD. 16 Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ 17 I set watchmen over you, saying, ‘Pay attention to the sound of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We will not pay attention.’"

and that is your reply? That has nothing to do with breaking those down or your view of them? That just ignores them. How am I to beleivee you are really seeking to pursuade me when you won't even touch certian verses?

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

When Peter did use the sword, Jesus rebuked him and healed the damage.

Well Jesus had to ne taken by them to ofer Himself up, as for the healing, maybe He felt the guy did/t deserve it OR He was showing His power as a witness? IDK.

Two things:
(1) You are right Jesus says for them to buy a sword - but he does say they are to use it to kill people. Swords can be used for defense against wild enemies, etc. This is a difficult question: why did Jesus ask them to buy a sword? But to use this to put aside the clear teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount I do not think is good doctrine.
(2) Do you see what you are doing by saying the disciples could defend themselves but Jesus would not? You are tossing aside some of the "hard" sayings of Jesus because they do not match comfortableness in our culture. You are saying some things Jesus said and did only applied to him, but not to his disciples. That seems the same way of arguing as some are saying here that the sayings of Jesus are only for the Jews at the time Jesus was living.

Im not ignoring, could I not say the same about the sword verse to you? Im saying we need to understand all His words in unity of each other, He said be peaceful and said buy a sword, a hard saying that many overlook. As I said I think "buy sword" is for self defense and "dont live by sword" is don;t be violent. But it is a hard saying so Im open to hear views. With that said you do offer some good points, but that issue remains I think.

 

[Nat2019]

WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KEEP THE SABBATH BECAUSE JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH. No where In the new testament are we told to keep the sabbath (Which is under the old law). The ten commandments are not found in new testament scripture. Only 9 commandments are spoken about from those 10 commandments.

Galatians 5:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[a]

Matthew 5:17-20 New International Version (NIV)
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

John 5:1-18 New International Version (NIV)
The Healing at the Pool
5 Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for one of the Jewish festivals. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda[a] and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. 3 Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed. [4] [b] 5 One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, “Do you want to get well?”

7 “Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”

8 Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” 9 At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.

The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10 and so the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat.”

11 But he replied, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’ ”

12 So they asked him, “Who is this fellow who told you to pick it up and walk?”

13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.

14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.

 

[DeighAnn]

then why can we not fulfill the law?

I am not sure why you decided we could not follow the law perfectly, So I found for you, these verses to hopefully open up your mind.

Exodus 39:43 And Moses did look upon all the work, and, behold, they had done it as the LORD had commanded, even so had they done it: and Moses blessed them.

Numbers 1:54 And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did they.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1. It has been done as the Lord commanded, so it can be followed perfectly and we are told by God to do just that.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

2. We have been redeemed from the curse, so no curse of the law anymore

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

3. Because we are told to keep the commandments, and some of us like to move past briefly comprehended into the details that love is fulfilling.


Why do people bring up obedience when talking about the law? Because THAT is love. walking in love of God and neighbor.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

But past that,
2 Chronicles 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, he did it with all his heart, and prospered.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


Why would if given the gift of being made righteousness, it being that important, not go and seek to become more on their own or try to convince others that more good or righteous works of God are bad? Can you not see how

don't work the law, you have been given
don't seek to be just, you have been given
don't seek to be worthy of being saved, it has been given
don't seek, it has been given

If it is given, don't you want the giver to be happy he gave? How is "trying" to be better by whatever means bad? Why is it when anyone steps out past the gifts given, are there people who try to stop them? And why is it that the second they do, THEY ARE JUMPED UPON AS NOT WALKING IN LOVE? not really having the spirit, really needing to find Christ and all the rest that is just another way of saying "not saved".

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

yep, by following the law your indebted to keep it, this makes you a slave to sin, because you can not keep it

if you think you keep the law. Then you water down the law. Its quite simple math, anything short of 100% = fail, if you fail, yet say you do not fail, you are watering down the standard,

Your view is crazy.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Sin is not the law it is transgression of the law.

This is not sin:

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!

John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned.”


1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

With all that sai it appears if Paul did not write it you do not accept it as doctrine, so here is something you may acceopt:

Romans 6:15-18, " 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

i have showed you numerous times, you deny it, why do you think i should waste my time to show you again just so you can deny it

i showed you on in that post, notice how you missed it, then claim i did not sow you

thats being deceptive, either willfully, or unknowingly i can not say, but it is deceptive all the same

It is up to the accuser to show proof, you have not. You keep making mmore and more accusations with no evidence.

If I am so so full of this error, deception then you would EASILY be able to show where.

 

[Nat2019]

Not justified by "works of the Law" but by faith in Jesus.

Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by "works of the law" but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and "not by works of the law", because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Romans 3:20
For by "works of the law" no human being will be justified" in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

-The LAW wasnt abolished but was fulfilled.

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Romans 13:7-9
Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For (the (commandments), “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[gb9]

I am not sure why you decided we could not follow the law perfectly, So I found for you, these verses to hopefully open up your mind.

Exodus 39:43 And Moses did look upon all the work, and, behold, they had done it as the LORD had commanded, even so had they done it: and Moses blessed them.

Numbers 1:54 And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did they.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1. It has been done as the Lord commanded, so it can be followed perfectly and we are told by God to do just that.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

2. We have been redeemed from the curse, so no curse of the law anymore

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

3. Because we are told to keep the commandments, and some of us like to move past briefly comprehended into the details that love is fulfilling.


Why do people bring up obedience when talking about the law? Because THAT is love. walking in love of God and neighbor.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

But past that,
2 Chronicles 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, he did it with all his heart, and prospered.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


Why would if given the gift of being made righteousness, it being that important, not go and seek to become more on their own or try to convince others that more good or righteous works of God are bad? Can you not see how

don't work the law, you have been given
don't seek to be just, you have been given
don't seek to be worthy of being saved, it has been given
don't seek, it has been given

If it is given, don't you want the giver to be happy he gave? How is "trying" to be better by whatever means bad? Why is it when anyone steps out past the gifts given, are there people who try to stop them? And why is it that the second they do, THEY ARE JUMPED UPON AS NOT WALKING IN LOVE? not really having the spirit, really needing to find Christ and all the rest that is just another way of saying "not saved".

in the case of Matthew 5, the word " perfect " is more like " mature, complete', not without flaw.

so, just like the Law NOT being divided, here is another thing you ignore......