nephilim

[presidente]

Hmm, yes, angels in chains, angels cast into hell, delivered unto chains of darkness reserved unto judgement does not sound like they are free to go about taking on human form to copulate with humans.

They were chained to them after they sinned and did not keep their proper abode.

Jesus taught that the sons of the resurrection would be like the angels of God in heaven. They angels in heaven left their proper habitation. Why would Jesus add that qualifier? Surely He would have been aware of the angel interpretation of Genesis 6.

In fact NOWHERE in Scripture are we told that any angel at any time or any place took on human form aside from carrying out the explicit will of God.

Thati s what we call begging the question. If the sons-of-God-daughters-of-men passage is what Jude and II Peter are referencing, we have a case of angels having children with humans. Whether that necessitates them taking 'human form' would not be speculation that I would indulge in.

There are references in Daniel where he spoke to a 'man' who might be an angelic being.

 

[garee]

As we turn to Him with a desire to know more of Him, He will reveal more of Himself to us. The relationship between myself and God has grown stronger and stronger over the course of my life. Not because I am "better" than anyone else, but because I did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

I think you forgot the image as to what the eyes see. Flesh and blood . That which could never enter the new heavens and earth.

Image made like to corruptible man. the pattern.

God is not a man as us .he has no beginning of spirit life or end thereof. No mother no father, no genealogy but made like the Son of God. . not seen. He remains our high priest continually

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible (invisible) God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.(Rom 1:23).

No mention that some did know him after the Spirit of faith but now henceforth we know him no more .

The idea of looking to the flesh and hope its him, no picture ID, no DNA. . It could be accompanied with a strong delusion.

Many anti-christs are here multiplying . I hope when he does come on the last day he will find faith working in the heart of mankind to both will and do His good pleasure. Experiencing the things of the flesh seen or felt like the new age old age doctrine of men seems like the up coming gospel . What's next?

 

[presidente]

Seeing God does create after kinds. Other than spirit ministers have no DNA by which they could shape shift. Like the Hollywood kind. ?

Israelites were forbidden to breed different kinds together. It is possible with certain species-- horses and donkeys to get mules in the ancient worlds. Tigers and lions can also produce offspring.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

The angels in heaven do not marry. Jude wrote that the angels who sinned left their habitation.

Not this part of the earlier church.it does not hold messengers as beings with no form, magically talking on form.

That is a bit of 'word salad.' I am not sure exactly what you are saying. I think it would be difficult for you to find anything in the Bible or any early church writings to back up anything you stated in that sentence.

Even Satan in the garden as a lying minster put his lies on the tongue a of a created being. Just as he did with Peter. There is not two Peters one cloned, the other the pattern .

This does not prove your case.

The wrong kind of sons of God. The suffix of God as believers.

Why would you believe that men had the power to become sons of God before the word was made flesh?

John 1
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Were believing humans around at the creation, before man was created?
Job 38
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Were these believing humans?
Job 1
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

The principalities and powers that war against us may not like it that much that God offered the nations to Christ as His inheritance, that the saints are given power to become the sons of God and to be co-heirs with Christ.

Renown is in used in in respect to fallen mankind not fallen angels that have no form for a ministering spirts of the gospel.

I would call this 'begging the question' or circular reasoning, except that you overlook the fact that the Nephelim were the 'men of reknown' and not their dads.

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (not angel) for that he (men) also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.(not angels) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (not angels) which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6

Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

A verse about certain human beings being renown in the congregation does not prove that hybrids cannot be renown. I'm not a KJV-onlyist either, so I don't go for your implied argument here. These words in Genesis 5 and Isaiah 14 are different Hebrew words, hassem and yiqare.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Flesh and blood . That which could never enter the new heavens and earth.

Again ... you do realize that we will have fleshly bodies in new heaven and earth, yes?

I have already gone over this with you ... see Post 482

"You do realize, garee, that in new heaven and new earth, we will have fleshly bodies? We shall walk in holy Jerusalem (Rev 21:10-24) … we shall be servants (Rev 22:3) … we will see His face (Rev 22:4) … we shall enter in through the gates into the city (Rev 22:14) …​

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Why do you not have faith that God Fathered a body for His only begotten Son and that body had absolutely no corruption in it.​

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Quit spiritizing everything." ​

I'm not sure if you are born again, and if you are born again, you are going to have a fleshly body.

Image made like to corruptible man. the pattern.

"corruptible man" is not the pattern.

We will be like the Lord Jesus Christ ... for we shall see Him as He is (1 John 3:2). He has a physical presence ... believer and unbeliever alike will see Him (Rev 1:7 Behold, He cometh with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him).

Get rid of your "eternal unseen" dogma. It is blinding you to the truth of Scripture.

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible (invisible) God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.(Rom 1:23).

Rom 1:23 is speaking of unbelievers ... those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness and worship and serve the creation more than the Creator Who is blessed forever amen.

The verse does not state that Jesus was or is "corruptible man". Quit ripping verses out of the context in which God reveals truth and misinterpret to infer that Jesus was "corrupt", or that those who honor and respect the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ are involved in idolatry.

The idea of looking to the flesh and hope its him, no picture ID, no DNA. . It could be accompanied with a strong delusion.

The only one who is captivated by strong delusion is you in your never-ending twisting of Scripture to reveal a dogma not contained in Scripture.

Experiencing the things of the flesh seen or felt like the new age old age doctrine of men seems like the up coming gospel .

You do realize that God made our bodies and He states that we are fearfully and wonderfully made?

It is not a sin to enjoy seeing the wonders of creation ... a beautiful sunrise/sunset ... and praise God for His wondrous creation.

It is not a sin to enjoy hearing the wind rustling through the leaves of a tree ... and praise God for His wondrous creation.

It is not a sin to smell a fragrant flower made by God for our pleasure and enjoyment ... and praise God for His wondrous creation.

It is not a sin to feel the touch of a loved one ... a hug. Or the warm sun on our skin. Praise God for His wondrous creation.

It is not a sin to enjoy the taste of an apple or a grape ... and praise God for His wondrous creation.

God made us and gave us these wonderful bodies. So long as we do not allow our lusts to drive us to sin, we are free to enjoy that which God has created. We are to keep our bodies under control and not allow ourselves to be drawn away from God through the lusts of our flesh.


Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

What's next?

hopefully for you, you will open your Bible and see what God would have you see concerning His Son ... that He was not "corrupt". Get rid of your erroneous dogma and "walk in faith" in accordance with what is written in Scripture.

 

[Magenta]

They were chained to them after they sinned and did not keep their proper abode.

Jesus taught that the sons of the resurrection would be like the angels of God in heaven. They angels in heaven left their proper habitation. Why would Jesus add that qualifier? Surely He would have been aware of the angel interpretation of Genesis 6.

Thati s what we call begging the question. If the sons-of-God-daughters-of-men passage is what Jude and II Peter are referencing, we have a case of angels having children with humans. Whether that necessitates them taking 'human form' would not be speculation that I would indulge in.

There are references in Daniel where he spoke to a 'man' who might be an angelic being.

Okay, so you are saying you do not support angels taking human form to have sex with human women? Just how would they have offspring if they did not manifest as humans to have sexual relations with women? Since we are told that everything reproduces after its kind. The whole scenario of angels copulating with women strikes me as sick sci fi. Angels sinned by rebelling against God in siding with Satan. What you propose is a pretty big "IF." Please note that I have not said angels never took human form, only that when they did, it was ALWAYS exclusively at the express desire of God to do so... according to what we are told in Scripture. We are also told all through Scripture not to be unequally yoked. That means a believer (son of God) uniting with a non-believer (daughter of man). When did men listen? Ha. Not even Solomon, the wisest man in the world, listened to God on that one.

 

[presidente]

Okay, so you are saying you do not support angels taking human form to have sex with human women?

Of course I do not support it. If any angel decides to do such a thing, he loses my support. If any of them asked me, I'd tell them not to do it. I mean celestial angels or whatever you call them, not a human messenger with his wife.

Just how would they have offspring if they did not manifest as humans to have sexual relations with women?

Manifest 'as humans' in appearance, maybe. But horses can produce offspring with donkeys without becoming donkeys. I am no expert on angelic anatomy, if there is such a thing. I would guess you are not either. From various passages in scriptures, it would seem they appeared as human on a number of occasions. But actually take human form-- I doubt they would do that. I am a human and I cannot turn into an angel. So I don't think an angel would turn into a human since humans cannot turn into angels, and I would imagine they wouldn't want to be stuck as mortals. Hopefully the angels are smart enough not to do this stuff knowing the punishment of the previous batch if any angel were lacking in its morals. Maybe the demons that engage in such things are Nephilim spirits rather than angels.

I don't know if more angels can fall that haven't fallen already. I recall the quote from the book of Job that even with His angels doth He find fault. I do not know if they are all morally perfect and beyond temptation if they did not fall in a previous batch. We aren't angels and we are given limited information about them.

Since we are told that everything reproduces after its kind.

The Israelites were also not allowed to breed animals of different kinds. Horses and donkeys produce mules. Israelites were not allowed to breed them. Maybe David bought his from a Gentile nation or nations.

The whole scenario of angels copulating with women strikes me as sick sci fi.

It sounds sick to me, too. But it is a very ancient belief. I haven't heard of Christians having another interpretation before Augustine. Tertullian wrote that demons were fallen angels and their children. I can think of a similar quote but I do not recall who wrote it from around the same time.

Angels sinned by rebelling against God in siding with Satan.

How could that be reconciled with Jude 9. Satan was going about like a roaring lion, Peter wrote. The gospels and Acts show people being demonized. If demons were all fallen angels and all the fallen angels had been imprisoned at some ancient time before Jude was risen, what were they doing roaming around in the first century?

Some eschatologies have the binding of Satan as a future event from our perspective.

But if the parents of the Nephilim were imprisoned and other rebel angels and/or angels who were really bad stewards of what had been entrusted to them were not imprisoned yet, that would fit the description.

Please note that I have not said angels never took human form, only that when they did, it was ALWAYS exclusively at the express desire of God to do so... according to what we are told in Scripture.

Show me the scriptures you have in mind. I could also argue that whenever we see the people of God speaking in scripture, they are always speaking Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. I could argue that the only true Christians are those who speak those languages. But that would probably be pretty bad for most of us. I could say that all the Christians we see in the Bible live in the preindustrial age.

If Genesis 6 and Jude is referring to angels sinning by copulating with human women, then the scriptures do not always show angels coming down to earth at the express desire of God to do so. I am not using the 'take human form' thing, because if they were truly human, they'd be stuck, and their offspring might be just regular people, genetically, too, if there were no difference.

We are also told all through Scripture not to be unequally yoked. That means a believer (son of God) uniting with a non-believer (daughter of man). When did men listen? Ha. Not even Solomon, the wisest man in the world, listened to God on that one.

Where are unbelievers called daughters of men? Jesus calls Himself the Son of Man. Nowhere in scripture can I find that 'daughters of men' is used in contrast to believers...outside of this passage if it did mean that.

But did anyone interpret the passage that way before the fourth century? And why would any human after Adam be called a son of God before Christ gave the power to become the sons of God to those who believe on His name? As righteous as Enoch or Noah were, could they have laid claim on being co-heirs with Christ before God even made His promises to Abraham?

 

[Dino246]

Seeing God does create after kinds. Other than spirit ministers have no DNA by which they could shape shift. Like the Hollywood kind. ?

I'll respond using your words from earlier in the same post:

How would you know angels [don't have DNA]? Where does the Bible say this?

 

[garee]

I'll respond using your words from earlier in the same post:

Do you need that statement verbatim .Agenls do not have DNA . like the son of God that are subject to salvation they can multiply .No
Satan Juniors no genealogy with those who have no form of their own.

The word angel does not appear once in Geneisis 6 . Just giants of the faith called the nemown. men .Some were cohabitated with those who have no faith daughters of men . The suffix determinates the source . . . . Of God or of men

Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

16 references of mankind. Not one mention of angels. No angels multiplying .No daughters of angels. No spirit will not strive with angels (not subject to salvation). No mighty angels as renown . No shift changers, outside of Hollywood special effects department.

Satan did not cohabitate with Eve . Angels as ministers of Gods' gospel have no DNA. It simply makes no biblical sense. What could be the purpose? Wanted for impersonating humans.

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

It simply makes no biblical sense.

That we do not fully understand exactly what went on back then does not mean it does not make Biblical sense.

God casting angels down to hell and delivering them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment makes complete Biblical sense considering the magnitude of their evil intent.

What could be the purpose?

Their paltry attempt to thwart the coming of the Promised Seed of the woman ... the Lord Jesus Christ:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it [ the Seed of the woman ] shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Wanted for impersonating humans.

However they did what they did caused God to cast them down to hell, deliver them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment:

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment


God did not cast into hell all angels who fell with satan ... only those who participated in the fiasco that went on at time of Noah and also after that (Sodom and Gomorrah, those that resulted in rephaim, emim, zamzummim, etc., etc.) ...

 

[Dino246]

Do you need that statement verbatim .

Oh I see, YOU can use the argument, "Where is that in the Bible?" but if I use it, it must be verbatim. HOGWASH. Get some integrity.

Agenls do not have DNA . like the son of God that are subject to salvation they can multiply .No Satan Juniors no genealogy with those who have no form of their own.

Without clear biblical support, you are merely spouting your own irrelevant and worthless opinion. You have no biblical support.

The word angel does not appear once in Geneisis 6 . Just giants of the faith called the nemown. men .Some were cohabitated with those who have no faith daughters of men . The suffix determinates the source . . . . Of God or of men ...

Satan did not cohabitate with Eve . Angels as ministers of Gods' gospel have no DNA. It simply makes no biblical sense. What could be the purpose? Wanted for impersonating humans.

Nobody said that Satan cohabited with Eve; you're dragging in irrelevant points AGAIN. Are you really so resistant to learning?

It doesn't matter whether angels having DNA makes sense to you. Your comprehension is not the arbiter of truth. Thankfully.

 

[presidente]

I was the one who asked how we know whether angels have DNA.

It doesn't seem likely. Could there be spiritual acid (dionucle.... whatever DNA means)?) I don't know. Spiritual hands? Spiritual feet that they have but we can't see normally? There was a hand that wrote on the wall. Might that not be a real hand of an angel whose body did not appear, a real hand, but spiritual and not something we normally see? We don't know how this stuff works because what has been revealed about it is limited.

As far as angels having DNA (made of spirit-acids in spirit-cells)???), the Bible does not even mention DNA. How can we know if angels are made up of spirit-cells like our bodies are? I cannot say for sure that they are. But I cannot say for sure that they are not. It's all speculation.

 

[Dino246]

I was the one who asked how we know whether angels have DNA.

It doesn't seem likely. Could there be spiritual acid (dionucle.... whatever DNA means)?) I don't know. Spiritual hands? Spiritual feet that they have but we can't see normally? There was a hand that wrote on the wall. Might that not be a real hand of an angel whose body did not appear, a real hand, but spiritual and not something we normally see? We don't know how this stuff works because what has been revealed about it is limited.

As far as angels having DNA (made of spirit-acids in spirit-cells)???), the Bible does not even mention DNA. How can we know if angels are made up of spirit-cells like our bodies are? I cannot say for sure that they are. But I cannot say for sure that they are not. It's all speculation.

Agreed; there is a fair bit of speculation in that subject. What I resist is dogmatic assertions that have absolutely no biblical evidence to support them, and arguments built upon those assertions. It's fine to ask the question; it's not fine to build an argument on an assumed answer.

 

[presidente]

I've seen people post about "God's DNA". That metaphor is too much of a stretch for me. I think I may have clarified that the poster did not mean a literal acid molecule.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

As far as angels having DNA (made of spirit-acids in spirit-cells)???), the Bible does not even mention DNA. How can we know if angels are made up of spirit-cells like our bodies are? I cannot say for sure that they are. But I cannot say for sure that they are not. It's all speculation.

Agreed; there is a fair bit of speculation in that subject. What I resist is dogmatic assertions that have absolutely no biblical evidence to support them, and arguments built upon those assertions. It's fine to ask the question; it's not fine to build an argument on an assumed answer.

We can go on and on about what is not revealed in Scripture.

What we do know from Scripture is that angels ... kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (Jude 1:6) ... whatever that means!!!

Those angels ended up with offspring which Scripture refers to as nephilim. Each time the nephilim cropped up, they were utterly destroyed --- by a flood in Noah's time, by brimstone and fire at Sodom/Gomorrha, and when the children of Israel entered into the promised land, they were told to go in and utterly destroy them.

God Himself dealt with the angels which kept not their first estate by binding them in chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment.

 

[garee]

We can go on and on about what is not revealed in Scripture.

Or we can go on according to that as it is written. Not looking to the temporal things of this world but rather the eternal things not seen as those revealed by work of the faithfulness of God.

What we do know from Scripture is that angels ... kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (Jude 1:6) ... whatever that means!!!

Yes those angels like all angels are not subject to salvation. They cannot procreate with each other or with daughters of men (humans) They are missing a few items called substance. They are simply a legion of lying spirits without baby lying spirits .

In that way what God calls separate they call together and vise versa. They as counterfeit simply turn God's Spirit of truth upside down. He says they cannot procreate they say yes we can Satan was a murder from the garden .when he spoke he spoke a lie as the father of lies. He has no form needed to do the shift changing . He put his lying words in a creature who was there.

The reference in Genesis 6 is men as sons of God. Not once any mention of the word angel. The word men is used 16 times. The other kind of creation ones that were not formed from the molecules as rudiment of this world. Angels in that way are never considered of the renown giants of faith.

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Those angels ended up with offspring which Scripture refers to as nephilim. Each time the nephilim cropped up, they were utterly destroyed --- by a flood in Noah's time, by brimstone and fire at Sodom/Gomorrha, and when the children of Israel entered into the promised land, they were told to go in and utterly destroy them.

They could not of been utterly destroyed if they were men of renown moved by the finger of God as giants of faith .They were still there after as there are believers as sons of God today which would include your own self.

Those sons of God ended up with offspring which Scripture refers to as nephilim or renoun . Giants of faith like David in whom Goliath looked like a grasshopper to the Spirit of Christ that lived in David Rehab or Deborah and Mary

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6

God Himself dealt with the angels which kept not their first estate by binding them in chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment.

Yes bound by the gospel key. literal chanis could never hold the spirit of lies


sons of God . . . .God the source.
sons of men . Flesh and blood the source.
Sons of angels . . . (Son of Lucifer). . The Hollywood source.

It is simply a doctrine of men. I would suggest having nothing to do with the gospel. More to do with maximum height requirements .Some would call the mark of the beast. . giving short people a reason to live.

 

[presidente]

Yes those angels like all angels are not subject to salvation. They cannot procreate with each other or with daughters of men (humans) They are missing a few items called substance. They are simply a legion of lying spirits without baby lying spirits .

The New Testament speaks of 'holy angels.' It looks like you are accusing angels of being lying spirits. Some of the revelation in the Bible came through angels. Be careful how you write.

Do a study on 'sons of God' in the Old Testament. Hebrew readers might have associated those with heavenly beings. Some of them might have been considered gods of other nations. Paul says that though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth to us there is but one God. There are passage in the Old Testament that treat the gods of other nations as real entities, or at least the speaker does-- Jephthah if I recall correctly, and there was occasion where the Israelites drove a nation-- maybe the Moabites-- to the city gates that mentions the entity that was the god of their nation. According to some manuscripts, the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of God. Israel is the LORD's inheritance. One interpretation of Psalm 82 is that God was rebuking these entities we might call angelic beings for their bad rulership of these nations. Other Psalms indicate the Messiah will receive the nations as his inheritance.

There were beings referred to as 'sons of God'. In Job, we read they rejoiced at the laying of the foundation of the earth. That occurred before man was created. In Job, the sons of God appear before God, and Satan was among them. Jesus is the only begotten Son. These other entities, these principalities and powers, are likely not too thrilled that Christ is the heir of the nations. The saints are co-heirs, so they must not like us very much either. In fact, we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.

Adam was a created son, but after him, where is there any scripture indicating that men were sons of God before Jesus came and gave them that received Him power to become the sons of God?

In that way what God calls separate they call together and vise versa. They as counterfeit simply turn God's Spirit of truth upside down. He says they cannot procreate

Where in the Bible did the Spirit say that angels cannot procreate. Jesus said that they that are in the resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels of God in heaven. Jude says the angels who sinned and are bound in Tartarus left their habitation.

Angels in that way are never considered of the renown giants of faith.

Where do you get the idea that the Nephilim were 'giants.' The Greek translation translates it 'giants', but the Hebrew word means 'fallen ones.' Why would giants of faith be described as 'fallen ones.' That doesn't make sense.

Greek translators had two reasons to loosely translate this word was 'giants.'

- The Book of Enoch (or what survives today in an Ethiopian language) goes into detail about these events and describes these individuals as giants. Many in the early church believed that there were angel-human hybrids before the flood.
- Later scripture identifies certain giants in the land of Israel as being descended from the Nephelim.

Are you a KJV-onlyist? Do you think the LXX is inspired? Otherwise, why would you consider these to be giants if you reject the angel-human hybrid tradition?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

We can go on and on about what is not revealed in Scripture.

Or we can go on according to that as it is written.

That was my point, garee.

What is written in Scripture concerning what went on in time of Noah is that God did not spare those angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment (2 Peter 2:4).

Since something went on which involved angels that sinned in days of Noah, why do you ignore/deny that there was some sort of angelic involvement?

The reference in Genesis 6 is men as sons of God. Not once any mention of the word angel.

2 Peter 2:4-5 indicates that there were angels involved in whatever went on in days of Noah:

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

Angels in that way are never considered of the renown giants of faith.

The nephilim were not "of faith".

The only ones who were considered "of faith" were the ones spared in the flood (Noah and his family).

They could not of been utterly destroyed if they were men of renown moved by the finger of God as giants of faith .

The fact the all were utterly destroyed reveals that they were not "giants of faith". Only Noah and his family were spared.

Again, garee, your dogma fails under the full light of Scripture. Let go of your error-filled doctrine which does nothing but entangle you and keep you from full comprehension of God's Word.

They were still there after as there are believers as sons of God today which would include your own self.

Only Noah and his family were spared. If we were able to trace our genealogy back that far, we would find that we are descended from Noah through one of his children. And if we go back further ... we are all descended from Adam.

With the exception of Jesus Christ, Who is the only begotten Son of God, all mankind is descended from Adam.

Giants of faith like David

The nephilim were nothing like David. David was a man after God's own heart (Acts 13:22). The nephilim were utterly destroyed.

Think about it, garee. Don't just run on and on with ideas which are easily shown to be contrary to what is written in Scripture.

 

[garee]

The New Testament speaks of 'holy angels.' It looks like you are accusing angels of being lying spirits. Some of the revelation in the Bible came through angels. Be careful how you write.

Holy is a word used both of men and ministering spirits. Be careful on how you hear God. lying spirits as fallen angels are ready to make it about the corrupted things seen flesh and blood in order to draw men away form the spiritual seed Christ.

Do a study on 'sons of God' in the Old Testament. Hebrew readers might have associated those with heavenly beings. Some of them might have been considered gods of other nations. Paul says that though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth to us there is but one God. There are passage in the Old Testament that treat the gods of other nations as real entities, or at least the speaker does-- Jephthah if I recall correctly, and there was occasion where the Israelites drove a nation-- maybe the Moabites-- to the city gates that mentions the entity that was the god of their nation. According to some manuscripts, the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of God. Israel is the LORD's inheritance. One interpretation of Psalm 82 is that God was rebuking these entities we might call angelic beings for their bad rulership of these nations. Other Psalms indicate the Messiah will receive the nations as his inheritance.

I would recommend doing a study on the sons (plural ) of God. Pertaining to sons of God in regard to both men and ministering spirits in the Old testament as well as the new . In Job in respect to spirits with no bodies . Spirits of lies 1/3 and spirits of truth 2/3. And in Genesis and several places in the new testament in respect to flesh and blood men

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.


1 John 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Galatians 4:6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

There were beings referred to as 'sons of God'. In Job, we read they rejoiced at the laying of the foundation of the earth. That occurred before man was created. In Job, the sons of God appear before God, and Satan was among them. Jesus is the only begotten Son.

Yes the spirits of truth were active in creation. let there be and it was good. God uses seven to represent the 2/3 did that did not fall when Christ said it is finished but kept their first place of habitation. A legion of the spirits of truth.

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

These other entities, these principalities and powers, are likely not too thrilled that Christ is the heir of the nations. The saints are co-heirs, so they must not like us very much either. In fact, we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.

Yes lying spirits do not agree with spirits of truth . We can see that in the garden The Spirit of truth said you will surely die .The spirit of lies that put his lies in the mouth of a creature flesh and blood said we will surely not.

Because we are new born again creatures . We do not wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen .But do against the unseen things matters of faith .; like that of the renown that were still here after the flood. Men moved by God to slay the giants that look like grasshopper to God. The word renown does not apply to angels as Sons of God like those in Job. They are not part of the picture in Genesis 6. No maximum height requirement .

Adam was a created son, but after him, where is there any scripture indicating that men were sons of God before Jesus came and gave them that received Him power to become the sons of God?

As many that beleive exercise faith upon the lord Jesus are sons of God led by the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:1 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Angels as ministering spirts are not subject to believe the gospel .Salvation is not available for that kind. lies remain lies

Where do you get the idea that the Nephilim were 'giants.' The Greek translation translates it 'giants', but the Hebrew word means 'fallen ones.' Why would giants of faith be described as 'fallen ones.' That doesn't make sense.

The Hebrew word does not denote falling ones but born again ones. It also means bullies. God has his own bullies. Men of renown like David. 5' 7". They are the ones that fell the giant who seemed like a grasshopper to God . The stone as a guided missile sank deep in Goliaths forehead .God gave him a push forward and he fell on his face.

Greek translators had two reasons to loosely translate this word was 'giants.'

- The Book of Enoch (or what survives today in an Ethiopian language) goes into detail about these events and describes these individuals as giants. Many in the early church believed that there were angel-human hybrids before the flood.
- Later scripture identifies certain giants in the land of Israel as being descended from the Nephelim.

Are you a KJV-onlyist? Do you think the LXX is inspired? Otherwise, why would you consider these to be giants if you reject the angel-human hybrid tradition?

The book of Enoch is not a source of the faith of God as that which comes from hearing God, as it is written.

I reject the angel-human hybrid oral tradition of men it make the tradition of God without effect (do not be unevenly yoked with daughters of men.

Maximum height requirement has nothing to do with the gospel. Some would make it the mark 666 they are to stay away from . David as a son of God made that kind of mark fall flat on his face.

 

[Dino246]

Holy is a word used both of men and ministering spirits. Be careful on how you hear God. lying spirits as fallen angels are ready to make it about the corrupted things seen flesh and blood in order to draw men away form the spiritual seed Christ.



I would recommend doing a study on the sons (plural ) of God. Pertaining to sons of God in regard to both men and ministering spirits in the Old testament as well as the new . In Job in respect to spirits with no bodies . Spirits of lies 1/3 and spirits of truth 2/3. And in Genesis and several places in the new testament in respect to flesh and blood men

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.


1 John 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Galatians 4:6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;



Yes the spirits of truth were active in creation. let there be and it was good. God uses seven to represent the 2/3 did that did not fall when Christ said it is finished but kept their first place of habitation. A legion of the spirits of truth.

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God


Yes lying spirits do not agree with spirits of truth . We can see that in the garden The Spirit of truth said you will surely die .The spirit of lies that put his lies in the mouth of a creature flesh and blood said we will surely not.

Because we are new born again creatures . We do not wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen .But do against the unseen things matters of faith .; like that of the renown that were still here after the flood. Men moved by God to slay the giants that look like grasshopper to God. The word renown does not apply to angels as Sons of God like those in Job. They are not part of the picture in Genesis 6. No maximum height requirement .

Adam was a created son, but after him, where is there any scripture indicating that men were sons of God before Jesus came and gave them that received Him power to become the sons of God?

As many that beleive exercise faith upon the lord Jesus are sons of God led by the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:1 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Angels as ministering spirts are not subject to believe the gospel .Salvation is not available for that kind. lies remain lies




The Hebrew word does not denote falling ones but born again ones. It also means bullies. God has his own bullies. Men of renown like David. 5' 7". They are the ones that fell the giant who seemed like a grasshopper to God . The stone as a guided missile sank deep in Goliaths forehead .God gave him a push forward and he fell on his face.



The book of Enoch is not a source of the faith of God as that which comes from hearing God, as it is written.

I reject the angel-human hybrid oral tradition of men it make the tradition of God without effect (do not be unevenly yoked with daughters of men.

Maximum height requirement has nothing to do with the gospel. Some would make it the mark 666 they are to stay away from . David as a son of God made that kind of mark fall flat on his face.

Gobbledegook and bafflegab!

First, you really need to take a class in basic written English. Your "word groups" are largely nonsensical.

Second, you really need to do some more homework on this matter. You are making your argument on secondary issues and out-of-context references.

 

[just_truth]

would someone like t weigh in on who the " daughters of men " and " sons of God " are in Genesis 6:1-4?

The daughters of men are purely human originated from Adam and Eve. The mentioned sons of God are the fallen angels that became humans as Nephilims and they were descendants of Cain, they are the "serpent seeds".