When does the millennium begin?

[garee]

It's not a parable.

Why would you as it seems under mind the power of prophecy as parables?

Is a thousand year a day? Or do we compare the temporal seen (day) to the eternal not seen (thousand)? The law of faith.

One day equals a unknown as the spiritual understanding of parable/prophecy.. understanding hid from temporal man seen .

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; (prophecy) and without a parable (prophecy) spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:(prophecy)

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.1 peter 1: 19-20

 

[Ahwatukee]

no one knows the day or the hour of Jesus's return, so we can't predict exactly when the millennium begins.

We can know exactly when the millennial kingdom begins, which will be after Jesus returns to the earth and which is marked by the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Once the 7th bowl has been poured out, Jesus will be returning very shortly thereafter.

The "first resurrection" does not mean "only resurrection." There are in fact phases/stages to the first resurrection, Jesus being the first fruits of the first resurrection, with the church being next. The two witnesses and the catching up of the male child/144,000 also belong to the first resurrection. Then finally when Jesus returns to the earth, as described in Rev.20:4-6, the great tribulation saints who will have died will be resurrected. It just happens that the term "first resurrection" was used to describe the resurrection of the great tribulation saints. In support of this, it is impossible for all of the other resurrections previously mentioned to take place at the resurrection mentioned in Rev.20:4-6.

The "first resurrection" could be better understood as including all resurrections which take place prior to the resurrection at the end of the thousand years, which will be of all the unrighteous dead and which the second death will have power over.

See post #18

 

[Dino246]

Why would you as it seems under mind the power of prophecy as parables?

Is a thousand year a day? Or do we compare the temporal seen (day) to the eternal not seen (thousand)? The law of faith.

One day equals a unknown as the spiritual understanding of parable/prophecy.. understanding hid from temporal man seen .

Why would you interpret every poetic device as a parable? Why do you continually imply that the spiritual understanding is hidden from me? Why do you continually invent meanings for established words instead of accepting and using the established meanings? Why do you continually drag irrelevant topics into your posts?

 

[garee]

Good day Hevosmies!

As I'm sure that you know, the poster is speaking specifically about the time that Jesus will rule on this earth. That millennial kingdom could not begin under after the time of God's wrath/tribulation, which has not yet begun. It will be the last thousand years leading up to the great white throne judgment and the destruction of the present earth and the creation of a new one.

It is that coming millennial kingdom that has not yet begun.

The last days began when Christ said it is finished.

How would what you offered apply to the signified understanding? Seeing in the opening interpretation instruction we can see that not only was prophecy inspired but also he signified it, Therefore taking the things seen the temporal.. . revealing the unseen eternal.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

What is the signified spiritual understanding of a literal key, literal angel, literal bottomless pit, literal chain, literal dragon, literal serpent, or literal thousand years?

I think the key represents the gospel. It binds (chains) and loosens the will of God. The bottomless pit, the never ending judgment of God.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Noah didn't know exactly when the flood was coming. but He get signs, We are given many signs in nature and prophesy about the time of Christs second return but we can't exactly say when. IMO it is very soon but that may be 2 years or 50 years, Gods will be done.

The gathering of the church, as part of the first resurrection, is a separate event from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. We cannot know when the Lord is going to descend and gather the church. But we have every sign in the world to show when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, specifically the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is important to understand that all of these events, the gathering of the church, God's time of wrath, the beast and his kingdom and the Lord's return to the earth, are all apart of the end of the age. They are all apart of the process.

We don't know when the Lord is going to gather the church, which is why He warns us to be like the good man of the house, who, if he had known at what time the thief was going to break in, he would have waited up for him. But since he doesn't know at what time a thief would break in, then he must always be watching. In the same way, since we don't know at what time the Lord is going to gather His church, then we must always be watching and ready. If I was here during the tribulation period, I could simply keep track of each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment by their descriptions and fulfillment. Once I saw the painful ugly sores break out on those who had the mark, I would know that the first bowl judgment had been poured out. After that I would just have to observe the rest of the bowls. When the greatest earthquake to ever hit the earth took place and hail stones that weight from 75 to 100 lbs. fell to the earth and all of the islands and the mountains disappeared, then I would know that the seven bowl had been poured out and that Jesus was about to return.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Why would you interpret every poetic device as a parable? Why do you continually imply that the spiritual understanding is hidden from me? Why do you continually invent meanings for established words instead of accepting and using the established meanings? Why do you continually drag irrelevant topics into your posts?

The fact that I can't see who you are responding to tells me that it is one of those who I have on ignore. And I can also tell this from your responses. And is also why they are on ignore. They are unbelieving and unteachable. They have no discernment of scripture. I'm guessing garee or noose or one of the others I have on ignore is who you are responding to.

 

[Dino246]

The fact that I can't see who you are responding to tells me that it is one of those who I have on ignore. And I can also tell this from your responses. And is also why they are on ignore. They are unbelieving and unteachable. They have no discernment of scripture. I'm guessing garee or noose or one of the others I have on ignore is who you are responding to.

Correct.

 

[Whispered]

my apologies, I did see your single post but I do not know what you're trying to convey there.

 

[Noose]

Noah was watching He knew he would come .It does not mean Christ did not come as a thief in the night . The exact timing is not given as a sign . Its an evil generation that does seek after one rather than walking by faith a unknown as our living hope.

Christ is the beginning and the end, how could He not know the end?!

 

[Nehemiah6]

When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

We are DEFINITELY NOT in the Millennium, and the Millennium can only begin AFTER the Second coming of Christ. Only those who are delusional would imagine that we are in any kind of Millennium.

 

[stillness]

When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

When jesus began his ministry at 30 years of age, He said: "Today and tomorow I heal the sick and cast out devils, and the third day I shall be perfected." The first 2 days would end around 2,030. Coinciding with. The generatiln of the buding of the fig tree in 1948. "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled." "A generation is counted as 70 years, and if it be 80, it is but labour and sorrow." The last 10 years also refered as Jacob's trouble. "How awful that day will be, none like it." We entered the "Time of trouble such as never was and shall nevee be again."

 

[Nehemiah6]

We entered the "Time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again."

If you are suggesting that the Great Tribulation has already begun, that is incorrect. But we are approaching that period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you see Jesus stand on the mount in jerusalem, and the mount split in two, The armpies of the earth destroyed, and the king ruling with a rod of iron, the millenium has begun.

 

[stillness]

If you are suggesting that the Great Tribulation has already begun, that is incorrect. But we are approaching that period.

Matematically it has begun. The last 10 years sifnifies judgment, labour and sorrow. Labour pains will continue to increase. Now 71 years since Israel became a nation. Enviromently it has begun, earth changes have been increasing for 15 years: now drouts and famine is apreading; besides we are saying the same thing diferently. We are obviously not actually in tne tree and half year period where the daily sacrifice of praise to God is taken away by the one world government, but i will see this in my lifetime and I'm 64.

 

[RevelationMan]

Good day Hevosmies!

As I'm sure that you know, the poster is speaking specifically about the time that Jesus will rule on this earth. That millennial kingdom could not begin under after the time of God's wrath/tribulation, which has not yet begun. It will be the last thousand years leading up to the great white throne judgment and the destruction of the present earth and the creation of a new one.

It is that coming millennial kingdom that has not yet begun.

yes, you are correct...I'm referring to the Millenial Kingdom. Could we be at the start of the Millenium? That all the things you referenced will come to pass this millennium. Could it be the first resurrection will take place this millennium and the second resurrection and the great white throne judgement will take place beginning in the year 3000?

 

[Ahwatukee]

yes, you are correct...I'm referring to the Millenial Kingdom. Could we be at the start of the Millenium?

Good day RevelationMan!

In answer to your question, below is a summary of the chronological order of end-time events and beyond:

* The Lord's appearing to gather His church and take us back to the Father's house (John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-18)

* The seven year agreement made with Israel by the antichrist and the setting up of the abomination (Dan.9:27, Matt.24:15)

* God's wrath throughout the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements (Rev.6 - 18)

* Jesus' return to the earth to end the age (Matt.24:29-31, Rev.19:11-21)

* Beast and false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Dan.7:11, 2 Thess.2:8, Rev.19:20)

* Satan thrown into and restricted in the Abyss during Christ's millennial kingdom (Rev.20:1)

* The millennial kingdom begins

* Satan released, deceiving the inhabitants of the earth one last time

* Great white throne judgment (judgment for unrighteous dead)

* New heaven, new earth, New Jerusalem

* Eternity

Based on the information above, the millennial kingdom (Christ's reign) cannot begin until after God's wrath has been poured out upon the earth and after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, neither of which have yet taken place.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Matematically it has begun. The last 10 years sifnifies judgment, labour and sorrow.

Please get a proper understanding of the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation. They are not the same as the beginning of sorrows.

 

[stillness]

yes, you are correct...I'm referring to the Millenial Kingdom. Could we be at the start of the Millenium? That all the things you referenced will come to pass this millennium. Could it be the first resurrection will take place this millennium and the second resurrection and the great white throne judgement will take place beginning in the year 3000?

The rebuilding of His temple did not start at His birth but at Thirty years of age: when He was of age to do the will of the Father as a mature Son. "Today and tomorow I heal the sick and cast out devils and the Third day I shall be perfected." Around 2,030 the Third day behins but likely a little before then. I was aware of this before the year 2,000 and had no disapointment.

 

[stillness]

Please get a proper understanding of the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation. They are not the same as the beginning of sorrows.

Your not saying exactly what your suposed to say but your close, your suposed to say peace and safety before the suden sestruction. Judgment is over America while "They all slumbered and slept,"

 

[Ahwatukee]

The rebuilding of His temple did not start at His birth but at Thirty years of age: when He was of age to do the will of the Father as a mature Son. "Today and tomorow I heal the sick and cast out devils and the Third day I shall be perfected." Around 2,030 the Third day begins but likely a little before then. I was aware of this before the year 2,000 and had no disapointment.

Good day stillness,

With all scripture it is important that we do not take information out of its context. Below is the scripture from Luke which you quoted:

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"At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
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In your post above, you have turned the third day into a figurative number representing an event which takes place in the far future. However, the scripture demonstrates that Jesus is referring to actual days, not years. Why would His reference to "today and tomorrow" be literal days and then the third day take place in the future?

The Lord's reference to "and on the third day I will reach my goal" is referring to His crucifixion, not some end-time future event. This is also support by what He said immediately afterwards which was "In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

The Lord's reference to "being perfected" i.e. reaching His goal, was referring to His death to pay the sins for all who would believe in Him, which was His main goal.

The bottom line is, there is nothing in the context that would lead us to interpret this as having some figurative meaning.