Why is the "Message Of The Cross" foolishness to those who are perishing...
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His is a looking-down-the-nose angle...I'm still trying to figure out your angle.
I am confused as to how you think people here reject THE propitiation or do not live according to his finished work.
Certainly we are at different points in our own maturity (sanctification pretty sure) but some of the ways you react to posts I find somewhat troubling.
If you are here for ministry purposes and you seem to believe Paul an authority, does it not stand to reason to attempt to be to the "CC'ers" a "CC'er"
People have already said that based off the way you post you seem quite aloof and unrelatable. Pretty sure there was at least one post you replied to me about that caused me to think quite hard on something, but that was actually engaging.
I can't in any way engage with your heel catcher thread. Too much information, the bold sort of hurts my eyes. As well as different colors distracting focus. I prefer plain text. I don't even like red-letter bibles too much. I also find it strange when someone is "too authoritative". I think there are potential errors with that approach that I could discuss if you'd like.
Just a bit of feedback.
Certainly we are at different points in our own maturity (sanctification pretty sure) but some of the ways you react to posts I find somewhat troubling.
If you are here for ministry purposes and you seem to believe Paul an authority, does it not stand to reason to attempt to be to the "CC'ers" a "CC'er"
People have already said that based off the way you post you seem quite aloof and unrelatable. Pretty sure there was at least one post you replied to me about that caused me to think quite hard on something, but that was actually engaging.
I can't in any way engage with your heel catcher thread. Too much information, the bold sort of hurts my eyes. As well as different colors distracting focus. I prefer plain text. I don't even like red-letter bibles too much. I also find it strange when someone is "too authoritative". I think there are potential errors with that approach that I could discuss if you'd like.
Just a bit of feedback.
Example: How do Believers do this - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37What do you believe the modern Church is preaching in place of the Cross? Believers already know that if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace. I'm still trying to figure out your angle.
So hyper Lordship salvation (sinless perfection) and loss of salvation is your angle?
No, please answer the question or anyone: How do Believers do this - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37
Nowhere in Scripture is righteousness "awarded" in a way that allows subsequent hearing, seeing, and understanding.
mailmandan said: What do you believe the modern Church is preaching in place of the Cross? Believers already know that if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace. I'm still trying to figure out your angle.
I am looking for just one person who has been awarded righteousness to answer the question: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37
How do we do this?
By asking this question, I am showing him what is being preached in the Church.
Interesting post. You bring up concepts of works in my own mind that I believe ARE central to loving the Lord as a practice.
It's not works salvation, and I don't think it's works righteousness (at least not what everyone seems to be so split on).
Is it a fair understanding or model of thought that we are given the "template" of his righteousness and each person operates differently in that template and will be held to account/rewarded based off their own actions? I'll admit this concept has only been lightly painted in my own mind and I think it's missing something.
For some reason I am feeling like the concept of fealty is relevant at this time. Sometimes it's about loyalty, sometimes submission, sometimes praise, sometimes rest. It's hard to explain...
It's not works salvation, and I don't think it's works righteousness (at least not what everyone seems to be so split on).
Is it a fair understanding or model of thought that we are given the "template" of his righteousness and each person operates differently in that template and will be held to account/rewarded based off their own actions? I'll admit this concept has only been lightly painted in my own mind and I think it's missing something.
For some reason I am feeling like the concept of fealty is relevant at this time. Sometimes it's about loyalty, sometimes submission, sometimes praise, sometimes rest. It's hard to explain...
The modern Church no longer believes the answer is found in the Cross of Christ, and only in the Cross of Christ. In place of the Cross, it has substituted humanistic psychology. Never mind that such wisdom is “earthly, sensual, and devilish” (James 3:15). They have opted for that in place of the “wisdom that is from above,” which is “first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy” (James 3:17).
To forsake the Cross is to forsake Christ. They cannot be separated.
Most who claim being a Christian are practicing Salvation by "Faith," and Sanctification by "self (lukewarm)?" The Righteousness of God is imputed to a person only on the basis of Faith in Christ, and what Christ has done at the Cross. Romans 4:5
If the Believer does not understand this, all scriptures become enticing words to the flesh, that will be attempted by the flesh to perform (Romans 8:2-3, 1 Cor. 2:4). The Believer now becomes a transgressor (Gal. 2:18). Under Grace, the Holy Spirit carries out the will of God in the Believer (Romans 8:2). Under the Law, the flesh (your own ability) carry's out the Law of God. Under Grace, the New Covenant, if Christ is a Law keeper, than I am a Law keeper because I am in Him (Romans 6:3-5, Gal. 2:20-21).
To forsake the Cross is to forsake Christ. They cannot be separated.
Most who claim being a Christian are practicing Salvation by "Faith," and Sanctification by "self (lukewarm)?" The Righteousness of God is imputed to a person only on the basis of Faith in Christ, and what Christ has done at the Cross. Romans 4:5
If the Believer does not understand this, all scriptures become enticing words to the flesh, that will be attempted by the flesh to perform (Romans 8:2-3, 1 Cor. 2:4). The Believer now becomes a transgressor (Gal. 2:18). Under Grace, the Holy Spirit carries out the will of God in the Believer (Romans 8:2). Under the Law, the flesh (your own ability) carry's out the Law of God. Under Grace, the New Covenant, if Christ is a Law keeper, than I am a Law keeper because I am in Him (Romans 6:3-5, Gal. 2:20-21).
In your opinion, what would the preaching of the cross entail? I don't believe that you ever made this clear, at least not in a way that I could understand.
Semantics. Placing your faith in Jesus is placing your faith in the fullness of Jesus.
I remember debating with a couple of individuals in the past on CC who attended the church of Christ and used the word “synecdoche” to teach that faith (the part) represents the whole (repent, believe, confess, water baptism, continued obedience) in order to justify teaching their version of salvation by faith + works.I learned a new word todayThank you! But I cannot pronounce it
The church never did believe that. Our faith in in Jesus Christ, not a piece of wood. Repent of your idol.
