Is God A Moral Monster?
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We shall not derail this discussion.
So you say Satan not God is the destroyer. God, who was Jesus, gives life more abundantly, Satan destroys life, you said.
Was it Satan that sent the Deluge?
Was it Satan that forewarned Lot of the coming destruction of the twin cities?
Was it Satan that destroyed the Canaanite cities as described in the Book of Judges chapter 1?
Just a short list of what is in the Old Testament as pertains to the destruction wrought by whom? Satan? All, was of Satan?
So you say Satan not God is the destroyer. God, who was Jesus, gives life more abundantly, Satan destroys life, you said.
Was it Satan that sent the Deluge?
Was it Satan that forewarned Lot of the coming destruction of the twin cities?
Was it Satan that destroyed the Canaanite cities as described in the Book of Judges chapter 1?
Just a short list of what is in the Old Testament as pertains to the destruction wrought by whom? Satan? All, was of Satan?
Wow Angela! Don't hold back.....say how you feel lol! 
You seem to know an awful lot about me and my motives. You may have "read and studied the bible over 50 times", but that hasn't stopped you being a tad judgemental.
You seem to know an awful lot about me and my motives. You may have "read and studied the bible over 50 times", but that hasn't stopped you being a tad judgemental.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
You are a false prophet, and your vain imaginings need to be torn down. The Bible is true, and is our foundation! No one gave you the right to tear it down.
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12
As a pagan, you are not spiritual, but in your flesh, unable to understand God! This verse describes you perfectly!
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor. 2:14
As far as judging, don't be pulling Matt 7:1 out of context. People who have not read the Bible properly seem to do this a lot. In fact, we are to judge the things of this world.
"Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" 1 Cor 6:2-3
Really, you settled the matter yourself, anyway. You said you don't believe the Bible, you have made up a pick-and-choose God, only using characteristics you like. In other words, you have rejected the living God revealed in the Bible and replaced him with yourself! You make yourself as God, by claiming you have authority over Scripture and the true God!!
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I have said this a few times with regard to the Exodus. The people escaped from Egypt without spilling a drop of blood, God used nature to establish their release, and got them safely over the Red Sea, again without bloodshed. If the people had continued with God, He would have got them into the Promised Land in a miraculous way in a fraction of the time.
God is the giver and taker of life, that is His prerogative and you are questioning and arguing against the righteous God. On the other hand Moses disobeyed the commandments, he murdered, he stole, he made graven images, he told his army to take little girls for themselves, and he made burnt offerings which Yahweh abhors.
All we need to do is to put our trust in God and He will guide us and lead us. The people were disobedient, they were far away from the true God and worshipping false gods. There are only two G/gods and if you are not following one, you are following the other.
It is late and I am turning in. I am so sad that people argue against God while defending unrighteousness.
God is the giver and taker of life, that is His prerogative and you are questioning and arguing against the righteous God. On the other hand Moses disobeyed the commandments, he murdered, he stole, he made graven images, he told his army to take little girls for themselves, and he made burnt offerings which Yahweh abhors.
All we need to do is to put our trust in God and He will guide us and lead us. The people were disobedient, they were far away from the true God and worshipping false gods. There are only two G/gods and if you are not following one, you are following the other.
It is late and I am turning in. I am so sad that people argue against God while defending unrighteousness.
do you believe the Psalms are prayers to Satan?
In Your mercy cut off my enemies,
and destroy all those who afflict my soul;
rfor I am Your servant.
(Psalm 143:12)
do you believe Jesus will do what He says He will do?in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,
gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into My barn.
(Matthew 13:30)
"when The Owner of the vineyard comes, what will He do to those vinedressers?”
They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease His vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to Him the fruits in their seasons.”
(Matthew 21:40-41)
whoever falls on This Stone will be broken;
but on whomever It falls, It will grind him to powder
(Matthew 21:44)
grind to powder. what did Moses do to the detestable idol at Sinai, in the sight of God? he ground it to powder and forced the wicked to drink it.
what was the judgement of the Serpent? that he eat dust.
But that wasn't a lie that the serpent told Eve. She did die in that instantaneous spiritual death, which is why she and Adam would realize they were naked. And of course they would later suffer the physical death. And as we know this then applied to the whole human race. Therefore, Satan, the serpent, did not lie.
I would add as to your posts to PS, as they had said in their last posting, I believe they are now off-line , having retired for the evening.
Just so you don't think they are not responding for some other reason.
I would add as to your posts to PS, as they had said in their last posting, I believe they are now off-line , having retired for the evening.
Just so you don't think they are not responding for some other reason.
or else what?
or else Jesus will do exactly what YHWH did in the OT to the wicked, because Jesus is YHWH - He is I AM. He came as a servant - astounding! - but He will come again in judgement, and every eye will see Him and know exactly who He is. He said Moses wrote about Him and that if you do not believe Moses, you sure ain't believing Him. Moses called YHWH the one and only Lord God Almighty, the Beginning and the End. Moses appeared with Him on the mount and it sure wasn't the first time they'd met.
or else Jesus will do exactly what YHWH did in the OT to the wicked, because Jesus is YHWH - He is I AM. He came as a servant - astounding! - but He will come again in judgement, and every eye will see Him and know exactly who He is. He said Moses wrote about Him and that if you do not believe Moses, you sure ain't believing Him. Moses called YHWH the one and only Lord God Almighty, the Beginning and the End. Moses appeared with Him on the mount and it sure wasn't the first time they'd met.
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the lie the Serpent told the Woman is that she doesn't have life, wisdom and knowledge unless she rejects her Creator. the insinuation is that God has created her to be dead, and that she ultimately does not exist - that she must prove her existence by disobedience, tempting God to destroy her: effectively daring Him to with the tacit accusation that He is an evil murderer. this is the same lie at Meribah and in the wilderness when he tested Jesus - it is "the lie" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 'the abundance of his traffic'
read the chapter.
read 2 Kings 14, see what was happening in Israel when Isaiah gave this prophecy.
why does He refuse to hear their prayers? because they have become a nation of spiritual prostitutes, worshiping at least a half dozen idols in addition to keeping up the show at the temple.
because they sit in Moses' seat.
but you say, do not do the things Moses said to do, because Moses gave the commands of Satan. in the abstract is that is not unlike going through the motions of serving God while simultaneously worshiping false gods?
read 2 Kings 14, see what was happening in Israel when Isaiah gave this prophecy.
why does He refuse to hear their prayers? because they have become a nation of spiritual prostitutes, worshiping at least a half dozen idols in addition to keeping up the show at the temple.
The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
(Matthew 23:2-3)
Jesus said to Israel, do what the Pharisees tell you to do, because why? (Matthew 23:2-3)
because they sit in Moses' seat.
but you say, do not do the things Moses said to do, because Moses gave the commands of Satan. in the abstract is that is not unlike going through the motions of serving God while simultaneously worshiping false gods?
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you say here some bits are 'more enlightened'
clear implication: some are 'unenlightened'
similarly you say there's an 'evolution in the understanding' of the people who wrote the things in the Bible.
clear implication: looking back, the earlier writers are devolved
here you unambiguously say that not only does Moses ((who wrote down Genesis)) lack understanding, but that you have greater understanding.
this statement is factually incorrect, but more importantly for the purposes of the reply you wanted, you point out here that you do not believe the Bible is inerrant.
clear implication: you believe some of it is wrong.
clear implication: you consider yourself able to identify at least some of the wrong parts as wrong.
put all these things together:
Moses wrote down the first five books.
you in particular believe the first 5 books are written by a devolved, unenlightened man who lacked understanding and included much erroneous information.
you believe you know better, are more enlightened, have better understanding, and are more evolved.
you are saying Moses was an unevolved, unenlightened, confused & intellectually dim man who believed a pack of lies.
you're calling Moses an idiot because he wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, which you consider largely idiotic in content.
you believe the Bible was written by idiots.
clear implication: some are 'unenlightened'
similarly you say there's an 'evolution in the understanding' of the people who wrote the things in the Bible.
clear implication: looking back, the earlier writers are devolved
here you unambiguously say that not only does Moses ((who wrote down Genesis)) lack understanding, but that you have greater understanding.
this statement is factually incorrect, but more importantly for the purposes of the reply you wanted, you point out here that you do not believe the Bible is inerrant.
clear implication: you believe some of it is wrong.
clear implication: you consider yourself able to identify at least some of the wrong parts as wrong.
put all these things together:
Moses wrote down the first five books.
you in particular believe the first 5 books are written by a devolved, unenlightened man who lacked understanding and included much erroneous information.
you believe you know better, are more enlightened, have better understanding, and are more evolved.
you are saying Moses was an unevolved, unenlightened, confused & intellectually dim man who believed a pack of lies.
you're calling Moses an idiot because he wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, which you consider largely idiotic in content.
you believe the Bible was written by idiots.
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The truth is the original manuscripts, the autographs, are not available to us. The Bible we have today is not what was at the beginning. It has been changed over a period of a great many years.
We have but to just compare the number of books in the Catholic Bible, 73. That number arrived at `after a number of councils ratified the book number with the final ratification occurring under the council of Carthage in 397 AD. All of that occurred after the then Pope Pope Damasus Ist believed the books he'd chosen were divinely inspired to be the official church Bible in 382 AD.
While the Protestant Bible has 66 books. And at one time its publishing included the Apocrypha's original Greek Old Testament number of 14.
So when you tell him, "the Bible does", one could easily retort with, which one and from which century? The Bible we have today is not the one that was first available. In fact, the Apostles spread the word verbally. They did not have a new testament to distribute in their journey.
We have but to just compare the number of books in the Catholic Bible, 73. That number arrived at `after a number of councils ratified the book number with the final ratification occurring under the council of Carthage in 397 AD. All of that occurred after the then Pope Pope Damasus Ist believed the books he'd chosen were divinely inspired to be the official church Bible in 382 AD.
While the Protestant Bible has 66 books. And at one time its publishing included the Apocrypha's original Greek Old Testament number of 14.
So when you tell him, "the Bible does", one could easily retort with, which one and from which century? The Bible we have today is not the one that was first available. In fact, the Apostles spread the word verbally. They did not have a new testament to distribute in their journey.