SHOULD WE CHECK OUR DENOMINATIONS FOR TRUTH?

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You confuse "God's principles" with the Law as given to Moses. They are NOT the same thing. If you understood the OT you would understand the distinction. The Law was given TO ISRAEL, not to the whole world. It was God's requirement FOR ISRAEL, not for the whole world. It was PART of God's plan of salvation, intended to bring about the Messiah, and intended to be set aside upon the arrival of the New covenant.

Imagine your daily transportation is a derelict 1960's motor-assisted bicycle. Sometimes the engine starts, and when it does, usually you have to nurse it carefully to keep it running. Many times you have had to get off an push your way up the hills because the motor has failed. Then, you learn that you have inherited an almost-new sedan that is still under warranty. Upon delivery, you lovingly clean it inside and out, park it in the garage, and continue trying to get to work on your derelict motorized bicycle.

That's what you have done with the OT Law. You're still trying to make an obsolete system work for you, when you have all the "vehicle" that you would ever need right at your fingertips.
Obviously you do not understand the meaning of FULFILLMENT. Christ said that He came to fulfil the Law. And because He fulfilled numerous types, shadows, and prophecies, they are no longer to be maintained. AND THAT IS WHAT GOD EXPECTS.

So first of all you need to get a grip on who Christ is and what He accomplished before you revert to types and shadows. Because when you do that you are telling God and Christ that you do not really believe them. Just like the unbelieving Jews.

For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 10:4)
Gentlemen. Lets read the following together and see what Jesus says on the matter of Moses law.

Matthew 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

So until heaven and earth disappear we are still to follow God's law. Do not be decieved gentlemen, anyone who teaches to disregard God's commandments suffers judgement.

Pray for discernment and for wisdom. God bless you.
 

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That is not what scripture tells us. Scripture speaks often about hearing the word. Even the Lord's Prayer speaks of this, daily we ask for our daily bread. That bread is not only food, it is the words of the Lord.

It is a shame that Christians who ask Christ to come into their hearts do not want to follow Him in living in such a way that is most pleasing to the Lord as Christ did. You would think, if they accept Christ as their savior and accept His righteousness that their life would center around learning all about their God. Instead they spend their time patting themselves on the back, saying they have all the truth even though they are human who do not have truth within them, it is truth through Christ.
That is precisely what scripture tells us. Revelation is given by the Holy Spirit. Here is what scripture says on the matter brother.

John 16:13-15 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. He will bring me glory by telling you whatever he receives from me. All that belongs to the Father is mine; this is why I said, ‘The Spirit will tell you whatever he receives from me.’

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught. You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you. You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

2 Peter 1:19-21 Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.

The Holy Spirit inspired and authored the Bible thru the prophets. So in this truth, it is by the Holy Spirit the author of the Bible that we are lead to truth and revelation. A Holy Spirit filled Christian who is used by God to teach His Holy people will be able to help us learn and interpret scripture as well.

These may come in the form of Apostles Prophets Teachers Pastors and Evangelist. These are gifts of the Spirit given to specific individuals for the purpose of building the Church. That is why scripture says to trust those who taught you. We must test the spirits first before you submit yourself under anyones authority in the body while being discipled. Its best to trust the Holy Spirit to lead you to all truth found in scripture. We follow Jesus Christ not man. He left us the Holy Spirit He did not leave us alone. I pray you agree brother. God bless.

Ephesians 4:11-16 Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.
Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.
 

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It really looks like you are asserting the existence of an organized Roman Catholic Church in the first half of the first century. However, as you are admitting the possibility of error, I will let it go.
So Dino, you're insisting that he said something he admitted to and retracted but to show how fair you can be you're 'letting it go'?

This reflects poorly on you and well on him.
 
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That's not what the verse says. The grammar requires that what we are to expose (uncover, bring to light) is the deeds of darkness.

Yes expose them to the gospel the gospel is the light.
 

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Yes expose them to the gospel the gospel is the light.
2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 

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Gentlemen. Lets read the following together and see what Jesus says on the matter of Moses law.

Matthew 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

So until heaven and earth disappear we are still to follow God's law. Do not be decieved gentlemen, anyone who teaches to disregard God's commandments suffers judgement.

Pray for discernment and for wisdom. God bless you.
In the middle of that passage, Jesus said, "until its purpose is achieved". There is an end to the Law, a point at which the Law will no longer be in operation.
 

Dino246

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So Dino, you're insisting that he said something he admitted to and retracted but to show how fair you can be you're 'letting it go'?

This reflects poorly on you and well on him.
I found his retraction uncertain and insincere. He has dropped the matter, as have I.
 

Dino246

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Yes expose them to the gospel the gospel is the light.
How does exposing deeds of darkness to the gospel do anything? Are deeds of darkness going to repent and believe?
 
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How does exposing deeds of darkness to the gospel do anything? Are deeds of darkness going to repent and believe?

Of there own darkness when we deny Christ in unbelief. .I would hope it world . The light at the end of the tunnel is the gospel. The sweet fragrance of new life . Locomotive to others. . the smell of death
 

Dino246

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Of there own darkness when we deny Christ in unbelief. .I would hope it world . The light at the end of the tunnel is the gospel. The sweet fragrance of new life . Locomotive to others. . the smell of death
None of which has anything to do with my questions.

Garee, how is exposing the deeds of darkness to the gospel going to do anything? Think through that exact question carefully, without mentally replacing my words with other ideas.
 

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In the middle of that passage, Jesus said, "until its purpose is achieved". There is an end to the Law, a point at which the Law will no longer be in operation.
That is correct and He says that is until heaven and earth are no more. This is also referred in Christ second coming in Revelation. Where He will write His new name on our hearts and a there will be a new Jerusalem. Where He will reign for 1000 years. We will no longer have the law. It will be complete and served its purpose all will have been judged by then.

We are not there yet brother. God's law still applies. Re-read the verse and see it clearly. I give u further scripture to align with Jesus teaching.

Romans 3:9-20 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin. As the Scriptures say,
“No one is righteous—
not even one.
No one is truly wise;
no one is seeking God.
All have turned away;
all have become useless.
No one does good,
not a single one.”
“Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave.
Their tongues are filled with lies.”
“Snake venom drips from their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“They rush to commit murder.
Destruction and misery always follow them.
They don’t know where to find peace.” “They have no fear of God at all.”
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

Verse 31: Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

The purpose is so that the world will not have an excuse. Until Judgement day comes this purpose is not fulfilled. And furthermore we must be obedient, it is only through faith in Jesus Christ that we can truly be following Gods command to Love God and Love others. The law was not abolished.
 

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Re-read the verse and see it clearly. I give u further scripture to align with Jesus teaching.
Romans 13:10b "Love is the fulfillment of the Law".

The Law is a unit; you either obey the whole thing: animal sacrifices, priesthood, feasts, thrice-annual visits to the temple, stoning of adulterers and other heinous sinners, and all the rest, or you break the Law. There is no middle ground.

Righteousness is either by perfect obedience to the Law, or by faith in Jesus Christ and His satisfactory fulfillment of the Law. I choose the latter.

Jesus didn't abolish or abrogate bits and pieces of the Law; He made the entire covenant obsolete.
 

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So until heaven and earth disappear we are still to follow God's law. Do not be decieved gentlemen, anyone who teaches to disregard God's commandments suffers judgement. Pray for discernment and for wisdom. God bless you.
It is interesting that you are asking others to pray for discernment while MISINTERPRETING the words of Christ. So let's look at that passage again and see what the Lord Jesus Christ was teaching in Matthew 5:17-20 (using the KJV):

CHRIST CAME TO FULFIL THE LAW (OF MOSES) -- SEE BELOW
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[Note: The Law and the Prophets refers to the 24 books of the Hebrew Tanakh (OT)]

"THE LAW" IS THE TORAH AND MANY PROPHECIES IN IT ARE FOR THE FUTURE
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[Note: Until the New Heavens and the New earth, much remains unfulfilled]

THE LAW WAS BINDING ON ISRAEL UNTIL CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: This was addressed to the Jews, since Christ Himself was under the Law]

TORAH OBSERVANCE CANNOT MAKE A MAN AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: The only was to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees is to be justified by grace through faith and receive the imputed righteousness of Christ AS A GIFT. Jesus said that a man must be born again in order to enter and see the Kingdom of God]
Thus we have this verse (v 48): Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

HOW DID CHRIST FULFIL (BRING TO COMPLETION) THE LAW OF MOSES?
1. Jesus of Nazareth was the only Man who obeyed every commandment of God perfectly.


2. Christ took the curse of the Law upon Himself when He was crucified, and then extinguished it by paying the full penalty for the sins of the world. When He said "IT IS FINISHED" He was speaking about this and everything else mentioned below.

3. As the Lamb of God Christ fulfilled all the laws pertaining to the Levitical sacrifices, and many of the feasts and festivals. The Bible says that Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us.

4. As the divine High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, Christ offered Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, abolished the Levitical priesthood, and all the laws pertaining to the tabernacle, the temple, and the priests and Levites.

5. By entering the Heavenly Sanctuary with His own blood, Christ abolished the earthly temple. Therefore it was also destroyed in AD 70. The true Mercy Seat is now in Heaven (and so is the Ark of the Covenant which was on earth).

6. Christ became "the end of the Law for righteousness" to all those who believe on Him and His finished work of redemption. Therefore salvation is purely by the grace of God through faith in Christ and His finished work. This is the heart of the Gospel.

7. The Holy Spirit guided the apostles and elders in Jerusalem (Acts 15) to apply only four laws from the Torah to Gentiles. Hence Torah observance is not for the Church.

8. Paul made it crystal clear that meats, drinks, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths were merely shadows. The reality is Christ (Col 2:16,17)
 

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It is interesting that you are asking others to pray for discernment while MISINTERPRETING the words of Christ. So let's look at that passage again and see what the Lord Jesus Christ was teaching in Matthew 5:17-20 (using the KJV):

CHRIST CAME TO FULFIL THE LAW (OF MOSES) -- SEE BELOW
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[Note: The Law and the Prophets refers to the 24 books of the Hebrew Tanakh (OT)]

"THE LAW" IS THE TORAH AND MANY PROPHECIES IN IT ARE FOR THE FUTURE
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[Note: Until the New Heavens and the New earth, much remains unfulfilled]

THE LAW WAS BINDING ON ISRAEL UNTIL CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: This was addressed to the Jews, since Christ Himself was under the Law]

TORAH OBSERVANCE CANNOT MAKE A MAN AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: The only was to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees is to be justified by grace through faith and receive the imputed righteousness of Christ AS A GIFT. Jesus said that a man must be born again in order to enter and see the Kingdom of God]
Thus we have this verse (v 48): Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

HOW DID CHRIST FULFIL (BRING TO COMPLETION) THE LAW OF MOSES?
1. Jesus of Nazareth was the only Man who obeyed every commandment of God perfectly.


2. Christ took the curse of the Law upon Himself when He was crucified, and then extinguished it by paying the full penalty for the sins of the world. When He said "IT IS FINISHED" He was speaking about this and everything else mentioned below.

3. As the Lamb of God Christ fulfilled all the laws pertaining to the Levitical sacrifices, and many of the feasts and festivals. The Bible says that Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us.

4. As the divine High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, Christ offered Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, abolished the Levitical priesthood, and all the laws pertaining to the tabernacle, the temple, and the priests and Levites.

5. By entering the Heavenly Sanctuary with His own blood, Christ abolished the earthly temple. Therefore it was also destroyed in AD 70. The true Mercy Seat is now in Heaven (and so is the Ark of the Covenant which was on earth).

6. Christ became "the end of the Law for righteousness" to all those who believe on Him and His finished work of redemption. Therefore salvation is purely by the grace of God through faith in Christ and His finished work. This is the heart of the Gospel.

7. The Holy Spirit guided the apostles and elders in Jerusalem (Acts 15) to apply only four laws from the Torah to Gentiles. Hence Torah observance is not for the Church.

8. Paul made it crystal clear that meats, drinks, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths were merely shadows. The reality is Christ (Col 2:16,17)
Actually Paul said, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. The Book of Colossians chapter 2:16
 

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Romans 13:10b "Love is the fulfillment of the Law".

The Law is a unit; you either obey the whole thing: animal sacrifices, priesthood, feasts, thrice-annual visits to the temple, stoning of adulterers and other heinous sinners, and all the rest, or you break the Law. There is no middle ground.

Righteousness is either by perfect obedience to the Law, or by faith in Jesus Christ and His satisfactory fulfillment of the Law. I choose the latter.

Jesus didn't abolish or abrogate bits and pieces of the Law; He made the entire covenant obsolete.
Which of the covenants?
 

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It is interesting that you are asking others to pray for discernment while MISINTERPRETING the words of Christ. So let's look at that passage again and see what the Lord Jesus Christ was teaching in Matthew 5:17-20 (using the KJV):

CHRIST CAME TO FULFIL THE LAW (OF MOSES) -- SEE BELOW
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[Note: The Law and the Prophets refers to the 24 books of the Hebrew Tanakh (OT)]

"THE LAW" IS THE TORAH AND MANY PROPHECIES IN IT ARE FOR THE FUTURE
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[Note: Until the New Heavens and the New earth, much remains unfulfilled]

THE LAW WAS BINDING ON ISRAEL UNTIL CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: This was addressed to the Jews, since Christ Himself was under the Law]

TORAH OBSERVANCE CANNOT MAKE A MAN AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[Note: The only was to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees is to be justified by grace through faith and receive the imputed righteousness of Christ AS A GIFT. Jesus said that a man must be born again in order to enter and see the Kingdom of God]
Thus we have this verse (v 48): Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

HOW DID CHRIST FULFIL (BRING TO COMPLETION) THE LAW OF MOSES?
1. Jesus of Nazareth was the only Man who obeyed every commandment of God perfectly.


2. Christ took the curse of the Law upon Himself when He was crucified, and then extinguished it by paying the full penalty for the sins of the world. When He said "IT IS FINISHED" He was speaking about this and everything else mentioned below.

3. As the Lamb of God Christ fulfilled all the laws pertaining to the Levitical sacrifices, and many of the feasts and festivals. The Bible says that Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us.

4. As the divine High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, Christ offered Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, abolished the Levitical priesthood, and all the laws pertaining to the tabernacle, the temple, and the priests and Levites.

5. By entering the Heavenly Sanctuary with His own blood, Christ abolished the earthly temple. Therefore it was also destroyed in AD 70. The true Mercy Seat is now in Heaven (and so is the Ark of the Covenant which was on earth).

6. Christ became "the end of the Law for righteousness" to all those who believe on Him and His finished work of redemption. Therefore salvation is purely by the grace of God through faith in Christ and His finished work. This is the heart of the Gospel.

7. The Holy Spirit guided the apostles and elders in Jerusalem (Acts 15) to apply only four laws from the Torah to Gentiles. Hence Torah observance is not for the Church.

8. Paul made it crystal clear that meats, drinks, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths were merely shadows. The reality is Christ (Col 2:16,17)
If you dont understand the Bible thats fine with me. But dont accuse me of things you have no knowledge of. Everything you implied about Jesus is correct. Jesus carried out the entire law and died for the penalty of sin. We however did not fulfill the law. We are still sinners worthy of death!

It is only thru Jesus Christ that we can receive forgiveness. We must lay down our lives die with Jesus on that cross and live for Christ. Apostle Paul talks about this in Romans. Our lives no longer belong to us and we will be given His Spirit. Walking in His Spirit gives us the power to fight our fleshly desires which opppose God and His commandments. It is the sinful nature that leads to death. The law is to show us what is sin. To abolish the law would be to abolish sin! That is insane and heretical! The law will be done away with at Jesus second coming.

Im not talking about the Torah nor am I acknowledging your historical application of the jews religious beliefs. That does not concern me. Moses law is found in our bible. And it still applies, the blood of Jesus does not give anyone a free pass to break Gods commandments.

Hebrews 10:26-29 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

The Lord rebuke you. Watch how you speak to the body of Christ when you talk about the Word of God. Im not going to let you offend me with big words just because you studied history and theology. If you have scripture to back up your claims please do so, but you failed to back up your false claim (Quite adamantly I might add.)
 

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Actually Paul said, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. The Book of Colossians chapter 2:16
How come you missed verse 17 which is the whole point of verse 16? Also your translation is not correct. It is not "a sabbath" but "the sabbath [days]".

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul saying here? Christ is the reality who was represented in types and shadows within the Law of Moses. Shadows are not the reality.
 

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If you dont understand the Bible thats fine with me.
Since I do understand the Bible, pay close attention to what I have posted. Do not double down on your errors.
 

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How come you missed verse 17 which is the whole point of verse 16? Also your translation is not correct. It is not "a sabbath" but "the sabbath [days]".

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul saying here? Christ is the reality who was represented in types and shadows within the Law of Moses. Shadows are not the reality.
I wouldn't dare correct the Saint Apostle Paul by adding to his epistle what he himself did not write.
It wasn't Sabbath days.
13 "And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; 14 having blotted out [g]the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 15 [h]having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food and drink, or in regard to a religious festival a new moon , or a Sabbath day. 17 These are but a shadow of what was to come, but the reality is found in Christ .
Paul isn't talking about these things being obsolete. If he were he would not have spoken of teaching on the Sabbath, The Book of Acts chapter 13:14-16 . nor would the Apostles, after Jesus departed earth, have honored the Sabbath.

Further, the Saint Apostle Paul's letter to the Romans tells us that faith does not void the law, but establishes the law.
The Book of Romans chapter 3.
28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Jesus said, the Book of Matthew chapter 5:18 18 "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Not everything within the Messiah prophecies has yet been accomplished.