WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

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John146

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Do you believe all the saints from the past 1000s of yrs are not in heaven?
Sure they are. Why? Are you saying the marriage ceremony will take place without His whole bride?

What’s your point?
 

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Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


So what has happened before the marriage of the Lamb is come?


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Sorry, chapter 21 comes after chapter 19.
 

DeighAnn

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Sure they are. Why? Are you saying the marriage ceremony will take place without His whole bride?

What’s your point?
NO, that is why I am saying that a Pre Satan on earth marriage can't happen as you would be missing not just the two witnesses but the 144 and all of Gods elect, the church of Smyrna, the few from Sardis, etc.
 

DeighAnn

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Which tribe are you from? I didn’t know you were Jewish.

Jewish, tribe of Judah, one of the twelve tribes, just one of them. Or a resident of Judea. But the Abrahamic covenant is not only everlasting but was made "ALL THE SEED" not just Judah. What a strange question from a Christian. Unless you have never studied the OT then that would make sense.
 

John146

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NO, that is why I am saying that a Pre Satan on earth marriage can't happen as you would be missing not just the two witnesses but the 144 and all of Gods elect, the church of Smyrna, the few from Sardis, etc.
The Church are believers from the resurrection of Christ up to the rapture. The Church is made up of mostly Gentile believers. The two witnesses and 144,000 Jews are not part of the Church.

The churches as described in chapters 2 and 3 are periods of Church history from the resurrection unto the present. Presently, we are living in the Church of Laodicea, the lukewarm church period.
 

John146

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Jewish, tribe of Judah, one of the twelve tribes, just one of them. Or a resident of Judea. But the Abrahamic covenant is not only everlasting but was made "ALL THE SEED" not just Judah. What a strange question from a Christian. Unless you have never studied the OT then that would make sense.
I’m not Jewish, But a Gentile believer. Nowhere in Scripture are Christians considered tribes of Israel. Nowhere!

Sounds like you may be into replacement theology.
 

DeighAnn

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Righteous before God? Yes, Christ’s righteousness.
None of your own? I mean righteousness toward salvation only covers being saved, you best be doing right yourself or you are just mocking God.
 

DeighAnn

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I’m not Jewish, But a Gentile believer. Nowhere in Scripture are Christians considered tribes of Israel. Nowhere!

Sounds like you may be into replacement theology.
You tell me. If the seed was scattered over the whole earth and their numbers are as the stars of heaven, sands of the sea, dust of the earth, what is more probable, you are of Israel naturally called of God, or a gentile?
 

John146

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You tell me. If the seed was scattered over the whole earth and their numbers are as the stars of heaven, sands of the sea, dust of the earth, what is more probable, you are of Israel naturally called of God, or a gentile?
There is neither Jew or Gentile in the body of Christ.
 

DeighAnn

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Why would you pick Judah, to which pertains the Throne or Scepter, the king line, through the covenant of David, for me? Quite the complement though. So I do thank you. :)

Unless you picked Jewish, because of those who say they are Jews, but are not but are of the synagogue of Satan, then I take that as quite an insult, and so would my Father, and take back my thank you. :cry:
 
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YES, we will all be changed. "Rapture" is a man word, Not in the bible. Can you imagine how many people believe it is?
Many use the word rapture, it is used to represent resurrection the lifting up or drawing. Same principle different word . Defining the principle is what is to be sought after.

let the meaning of the words designed by the Holy Spirit be the guide. Changing the meaning of one word can change the authors intent . we are warned in Deuteronomy 4;2 not to add new meaning to a word The adversary is right there along side looking to snatch the seed from the good foundation of the word .

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Who do you think it is?
It cannot be anyone other than Satan the father of lies. The anti spirit that works in antichrists (mankind) many.

Its like one of those things. It's right before your eyes .Its like when I cannot find something and ask my wife. She calls me one dimensional. Been bitten by that snake many times.

In one occasion the Son of man, Jesus revealed the man of sin. . he said to him . . . . . . Peter, Get behind me Satan.

The man of sin has no literal body of his own.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man .Today seeing the son of man, Jesus is no longer here there can be no forgiveness against the Holy Spirit not seen.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16; 23

Some believers it would seem are still looking for a face to attribute the work of the lying "one". We know his voice . . ."You shall surely not die". It was inspired earthly of the devil not a doctrine of God that falls like rain.

This is all as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood the temporal seen. We must be careful how we hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Many lively stones as Christians make up the spiritual house of God as the bride of Christ.

I would think looking to put a exclusive face on the "spirit of lies" would be moving right down one of the father of lies avenues.

Trying to keep men in suspense, seeking after the things seen the temporal . Rather than walking by faith. . after the unseen eternal .

Makes me wonder according to Luke 18. When he does come on the last day, will he find faith working in those seeking after the unseen as it is written. Or as in the days of Noah seeking after experience as a oral tradition, the philosophies of men.?

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 
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None of your own? I mean righteousness toward salvation only covers being saved, you best be doing right yourself or you are just mocking God.
Nope.
Any and all righteousness is through the work and blood of Jesus.
Works and obedience gains favor,crowns,and warmth of heaven. Plus i feel better walking in the spirit.

Lester Roloff used to say "religion says DO"
"Walking in Jesus says DONE"
 
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"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."

WE ARE EVEN GIVEN THE WHEN
7TH trumpet is DURING the gt.