Would you consider a woman in her 20s twice divorced
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If he left you/divorced you, then you are free. His criminal history, history of abuse, and association with the mob would qualify him as an unbeliever unless he is truly born again... and it doesn't sound like he is.
1 Corinthians 7:15 BSB:
But if the unbeliever leaves, let him go. The believing brother or sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to live in peace.
You're welcome.
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actually Tour,
this was the biggest factor for myself in the first 'few' posts, while analyzing the content -
almost sounded like 'written scripts answering scripts,' -
but yes, it always amazes me that people refer to their carnal-marriages as 'Godly-Marriages', been there done.... -
and then ask what would Jesus say or want me to do now, especially since He wasn't even a part of the whole shebang
until they walked into a church or a court house - oh, and yes, let's not forget the 'white-wedding-dress'!!!
good to see that you have a 'leg-up' and aren't into buying all of the +++===??? and of course, there's always the
attention factor with 'half agreements and the other half playing dumb...
JER. 17:9.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
1JOHN 1:6.
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7.
But if we walk in The Light, as He is in The Light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
TIT. 3:8.
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that you affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God
might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
I find no contradiction or conflict between Paul's words here and what Jesus said in the Gospels about divorce.
While the moral principles regarding marriage and divorce are the same in both cases, it is important to remember that Jesus' words were spoken in terms of the Law. He had already said that He had not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets but rather to fulfill them. Therefore, many of His earthly teachings were within those parameters.
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selfdissolving
Guest
you went off on a tangent there about being justified by works.Says the man who posted no scripture.
If you would like to post which verses are in question I would LOVE to discuss what is being said, who it is being said to and why it is being said in context.
As a matter of fact, I will start.
One of the most common tropes legalists or modern day pharisees use is that these verses are .... requirements for proper divorce to all man.....
Matthew 19:3-9
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
_________
Men who place themselves under the law tempt Jesus with a silly question.
"is it ok to divorce for any reason you feel like?"
_________
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
__________
Jesus said marriage ought to last...
__________
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
________
They twist the truth, and refer to divorce as a command instead of permission on account of the hardness of man
_______
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
___________
Jesus then explains under the law moses gave to the jews by permission that which is acceptable
Jesus often gave this sort of example to those legalists.....
_______
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
(again a man looking to be justified by works)
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
(this man believes he actually does this fully)
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
(Jesus says knowing this man is self righteous yaaa thats all you need then if you are correct)
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
(as if he truely does this knowing Jesus does not believe him asks ohhh who is my neighbor maybe i am wrong mockingly)
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
____________
that amount of money
as well as offering for excess was .... a lot of money at that time....
this exposes that man who believed he was doing these things is actually wrong......
he does not love his enemy as himself as he ought to in order to be perfect
let alone his literal neighbor....
people try to take and mix up
reproof
instruction for righteousness
the law
and works
and try to say a man needs more than grace and faith to be saved (which isnt true)
Also... care to address this?
vv
lets stay on topic.
Romans 7:1-3
“Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.”
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
“Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.”
Matthew 5:31-32
“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.”
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selfdissolving
Guest
sure, i agree. but that mitigation will never contradict what God has spoken already in his Word.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
“Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.”
seems pretty clear to me.
He divorced me but I did not contest the proceedings so I don’t where that puts me
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selfdissolving
Guest
not even sure where you went off course buddy, i think we are talking about two different things here.
this is not a salvation issue. i don't claim it to be one, it's an obedience issue. i think you're attacking a straw man.
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selfdissolving
Guest
you have no idea if he is saved or not. that is just a wild guess! are you sure you aren't giving unGodly advice?
And 1 Corinthians 7:15 isn't teaching that it's okay to get remarried. That would contradict Jesus' teaching on the subject.
“We are not, however, to suppose ... that the marriage was, in such a case, ipso facto dissolved, so that the believing party might contract a fresh one. This is alike at variance with the letter and spirit of our Lord’s decision (Matt. 5:32); and, indeed, with the Apostle’s own words in this Chapter ... the conjugal union is not to be dissolved by reason of difference in religion; yet if the unbelieving party be disposed to separate, the believing party may blamelessly submit to such separation” Bloomfield 1837, 119).
I posted from many chapters and spoke of context in regards to marriage, remarriage and divorce and how it relates to us today....
You sidestepped everything and claimed I made this about works.... but the reason i posted more verses (some from the same chapter) aside from those about divorce is to further establish the point i was making about how Jesus was speaking to those under the law
... then you posted a few out of context verses after ignoring all the verses posted so far... by multiple people....
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MegMarch
Guest
I posted from many chapters and spoke of context in regards to marriage, remarriage and divorce and how it relates to us today....
You sidestepped everything and claimed I made this about works.... but the reason i posted more verses (some from the same chapter) aside from those about divorce is to further establish the point i was making about how Jesus was speaking to those under the law
... then you posted a few out of context verses after ignoring all the verses posted so far... by multiple people....
I also didn’t see the verse I posted addressed.
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selfdissolving
Guest
in Matthew 5:32 Jesus was speaking to his disciples, not the Pharisees.I posted from many chapters and spoke of context in regards to marriage, remarriage and divorce and how it relates to us today....
You sidestepped everything and claimed I made this about works.... but the reason i posted more verses (some from the same chapter) aside from those about divorce is to further establish the point i was making about how Jesus was speaking to those under the law
... then you posted a few out of context verses after ignoring all the verses posted so far... by multiple people....
Matthew 5:31-32
“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.”
He was giving his commandments to the Church. And in Romans 7 and 1 Corinthians 7, Paul is speaking to the Church also. How do you address those Scriptures?
Romans 7:1-3
“Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.”
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
“Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.”
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selfdissolving
Guest
i fail to see how this has ANYTHING to do whatsoever with how the Lord has instructed us concerning divorce.
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selfdissolving
Guest
so i read it again, and it seems once more like you are making this a salvation issue. or you think that I am. one of the last lines in your post was "and try to say a man needs more than grace and faith to be saved (which isnt true)"Says the man who posted no scripture.
If you would like to post which verses are in question I would LOVE to discuss what is being said, who it is being said to and why it is being said in context.
As a matter of fact, I will start.
One of the most common tropes legalists or modern day pharisees use is that these verses are .... requirements for proper divorce to all man.....
Matthew 19:3-9
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
_________
Men who place themselves under the law tempt Jesus with a silly question.
"is it ok to divorce for any reason you feel like?"
_________
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
__________
Jesus said marriage ought to last...
__________
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
________
They twist the truth, and refer to divorce as a command instead of permission on account of the hardness of man
_______
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
___________
Jesus then explains under the law moses gave to the jews by permission that which is acceptable
Jesus often gave this sort of example to those legalists.....
_______
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
(again a man looking to be justified by works)
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
(this man believes he actually does this fully)
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
(Jesus says knowing this man is self righteous yaaa thats all you need then if you are correct)
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
(as if he truely does this knowing Jesus does not believe him asks ohhh who is my neighbor maybe i am wrong mockingly)
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
____________
that amount of money
as well as offering for excess was .... a lot of money at that time....
this exposes that man who believed he was doing these things is actually wrong......
he does not love his enemy as himself as he ought to in order to be perfect
let alone his literal neighbor....
people try to take and mix up
reproof
instruction for righteousness
the law
and works
and try to say a man needs more than grace and faith to be saved (which isnt true)
Also... care to address this?
vv
so like i said, you're attacking a straw man. i see very little correlation to the matter at hand, which is "what does the Bible say concerning divorce and remarriage?"
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MegMarch
Guest
Have you spent time seeking Jesus about this matter? We can only offer you help to a certain point. God has the final say, so I would encourage you to be still before him in order to hear his gentle guidance.
Sometimes it takes pressing in and seeking him more than once in a matter, but he will be faithful to show you the way and the truth.
I pray the Lord give you peace in the direction you are to go.
I wholeheartedly believe that the Lord will lead and direct our path if we seek His way and will. Focus on that. Put God first and He will show you what to do. You are feeling unsettled for a reason.
Apart from that, my only other advice is to caution you in making any hasty decisions. It seems that the reason you are in this situation are issues that the Lord can heal within you.
I pray you’re able to refocus on God and let the possibility of marriage unfold if and when it’s in His timing.
I wholeheartedly believe that the Lord will lead and direct our path if we seek His way and will. Focus on that. Put God first and He will show you what to do. You are feeling unsettled for a reason.
Apart from that, my only other advice is to caution you in making any hasty decisions. It seems that the reason you are in this situation are issues that the Lord can heal within you.
I pray you’re able to refocus on God and let the possibility of marriage unfold if and when it’s in His timing.
This is a hot topic, so not gonna throw a blanket statement on the matter. Would it be o.k. to leave a Bible verse to explain?
One thing the thread creator could ask herself is, what was it about the man that made you marry him. Believe you said, you were lonely, so you married him the second time. So, from my perspective loneliness is the root issue. You want to get married again, because your lonely. Maybe you could meet some friends at church or something, so your not lonely?
Maybe seek professional help to find any underlining character flaws. Many times people never get over divorce. Are you connected in a church and if so, why didn't you ask your pastor the question? You got to be careful asking life changing questions on the internet, you don't know where they are coming from.
It's very possible, if not a certainty that there is more to your story than your willing to share. That's why it might be a good idea to seek professional help, nobody really knows what happened, except you, your former husband, and God.
These types of matters it's good to have a support group, family, friends, and to understand where things went wrong. Do you know the old saying, "it takes two tangle"? Two is company and three is a party. The more the merrier. I'm rambling right now. haha lol Think of it as an intermission between paragraphs......
Personally, I think marriage is very risky. Your basically committing to a life sentence to a relationship. If your not willing to commit to a relationship for life, marriage might not be for you. Life relationships include really horrible times, forgiving, serving, and working on keeping the relationship positive. These are all things that require sacrifice, effort, long suffering, and dedication.
Christ is our perfect example of living a life that is acceptable to God.
P.S., never been married, nor want to. Hope you find the answer that will help you be encouraged in the faith.
Luke 16:18
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
One thing the thread creator could ask herself is, what was it about the man that made you marry him. Believe you said, you were lonely, so you married him the second time. So, from my perspective loneliness is the root issue. You want to get married again, because your lonely. Maybe you could meet some friends at church or something, so your not lonely?
Maybe seek professional help to find any underlining character flaws. Many times people never get over divorce. Are you connected in a church and if so, why didn't you ask your pastor the question? You got to be careful asking life changing questions on the internet, you don't know where they are coming from.
It's very possible, if not a certainty that there is more to your story than your willing to share. That's why it might be a good idea to seek professional help, nobody really knows what happened, except you, your former husband, and God.
These types of matters it's good to have a support group, family, friends, and to understand where things went wrong. Do you know the old saying, "it takes two tangle"? Two is company and three is a party. The more the merrier. I'm rambling right now. haha lol Think of it as an intermission between paragraphs......
Personally, I think marriage is very risky. Your basically committing to a life sentence to a relationship. If your not willing to commit to a relationship for life, marriage might not be for you. Life relationships include really horrible times, forgiving, serving, and working on keeping the relationship positive. These are all things that require sacrifice, effort, long suffering, and dedication.
Christ is our perfect example of living a life that is acceptable to God.
P.S., never been married, nor want to. Hope you find the answer that will help you be encouraged in the faith.
Luke 16:18
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
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LittleMermaid
Guest
I think that fact that so many people argue about this just goes to show that no one really 100% knows if remarriage is okay. At least while the spouse is still alive.
A year ago I thought as long as the guy is divorced, it's all good. But when I heard about these topics, I realized that scripture is a little confusing on the subject and I don't know which way to jump. People on both sides give good scriptural evidence.
What I will say is that topics like these make me super super anxious because if I make a mistake and need to divorce, does that mean I have to stay single forever?
It's a very scary thought and my prayers go out to all those hurting from this topic. I know the Word of God is perfect but sometimes I wish it were a little easier to understand.
A year ago I thought as long as the guy is divorced, it's all good. But when I heard about these topics, I realized that scripture is a little confusing on the subject and I don't know which way to jump. People on both sides give good scriptural evidence.
What I will say is that topics like these make me super super anxious because if I make a mistake and need to divorce, does that mean I have to stay single forever?
It's a very scary thought and my prayers go out to all those hurting from this topic. I know the Word of God is perfect but sometimes I wish it were a little easier to understand.
Yes it is a hot topic... what about a divorced man marrying a divorced woman? Is that twice as worse? Does Jesus dying on the cross forgive us of this?
What I think is from what I said before... God knows the heart. It is so beautiful to see Court seeking Him for answers. He is the one she will hold accountable too, not us. Keep seeking the peace that passes understanding. God is not the God of confusion. If you are confused it might not be God speaking.
I think there are contradictions in the Bible, however I believe it’s all God breathed for us to equip and discuss to strengthen our armor of God.
Some verses mean differently to people. Best thing to do is pray and ask God to reveal what that verse means to you and how to apply it in your life.