Not By Works

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EleventhHour

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Yet they were attempting to be justified by law (works) as Paul said. in romans And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Are we up for round two EG.. how awesome of you. :)

I get back in the ring.... it is in my new nature...lol
 

Butterflyyy

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That sounds like the prodigal son who came back to the father and there was great rejoicing. I just worry about those who do not return to the Father.
Won't they be saved as if by fire and suffer loss.
I always remember the old lady who led me to the Lord saying, "In the New Heavens and New Earth, who will we be ruling and reigning over?" Lol
 
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EleventhHour

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Yet they were attempting to be justified by law (works) as Paul said. in romans And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
I am not sure we can put those two together :unsure:
 
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EleventhHour

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Yet they were attempting to be justified by law (works) as Paul said. in romans And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Sometimes Paul is stating a big picture point ... expounding doctrine.
 
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EleventhHour

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I think they were in the process of receiving bad teaching, and God used Paul to airlift them out of it

If you are saved and fall away, there is no possibility of being renewed to repentance. I wonder if our “lose salvation” people believe this

When a Christian falls, they do not lose salvation. If they did, they would have to bring Christ down to crucify Him all over again to be saved
Not sure if you have answered this, the thread is moving quickly...... but what did you mean by
If you are saved and fall away, there is no possibility of being renewed to repentance.
If you did respond I apologize in advance...lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Are we up for round two EG.. how awesome of you. :)

I get back in the ring.... it is in my new nature...lol
Lol, I am just sharing What I see and why I can not see it the way you do,

not a battle. just a sharing of ideas
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Absolutely agree.. sharing ideas... and I have learned and reflected which I like. ;)
As have I

its good to know why people believe the way they do instead of assume like sadly to many here do.
all that leads is to attacks, false accusations and fights.


 
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EleventhHour

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As have I

its good to know why people believe the way they do instead of assume like sadly to many here do.
all that leads is to attacks, false accusations and fights.
True because there is a thinking/learning process the person has gone through.... false accusations .. the worst!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Amen!!

The only time I have difficulty keeping my act together is with those that very strongly and very wrongly reach salvation is conditional, but even then not really angry ... just impatient I think.
I get angry when I see people refusing to listen to others, then start to attack them by saying they believe what they do not or they are confronted with a question they can’t answer, and they respond with attacks to take attention of them

it makes all of us look bad when we do this, and you know if they do that they are not open to anything
 
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EleventhHour

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I get angry when I see people refusing to listen to others, then start to attack them by saying they believe what they do not

it makes all of us look baD when we do this, and you know if they do that they are not open to anything


JadenS... ummm comes to mind :unsure:
 

VCO

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I don't think he understands that to be severed from Christ, means you need to belong to Christ first, before you can be severed.

WRONG INTERPRETATION YET AGAIN!

Quote:
Gal. 5:4 justified. See notes on 2:16; Romans 3:24. estranged from Christ... fallen from grace. The Greek word for estranged means “to be separated” or “to be severed.” The word for fallen means “to lose one’s grasp on something.” Paul’s clear meaning is that any attempt to be justified by the law is to reject salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Those once exposed to the gracious truth of the gospel, who then turn their backs on Christ (Heb. 6:4-6) and seek to be justified by the law are separated from Christ and lose all prospects of God’s gracious salvation. Their desertion of Christ and the gospel only proves that their faith was never genuine (cf. Luke 8:13, 14; 1 John 2:19).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary. End Quote,

Salvation is not OUR trying to grab a hold of CHRIST, BUT genuine Salvation, is THE SECURITY of SALVATION IS THE FACT THAT CHRIST HAS A HOLD OF US, AND THE FATHER ALSO HAS A HOLD OF US.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB)
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

That is not a Born Again Christian, because we have not ONLY TASTED, we have CONSUMED THE TRUTH or EATEN the LIVING BREAD.

John 6:51 (NKJV)
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

See the DIFFERENCE, the ones without SALVATION only JUST TASTED,

While WE have Eaten or Consumed the TRUE LIVING BREAD!