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You know.....the MINORITY states clearly that FAITH alone is what saves a man eternally with NO embellishments
......JESUS said that MANY (plenteous in NUMBER) will come before his throne peddling the same thing that MOST so called Christian religions peddle today....
FAITH plus some self effort.......like works, religious hoop jumping, supposed law keeping etc......THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE CUT because to EMBELLISH = false double cursed gospel with NO POWER and FOOLISH BEWITCHED people buy into such an INEPT false gospel...<--PAUL, GALATIAN letter 1st CENTURY A.D.
And the tragic truth, the very same people ACCUSE us of the same crap they accused PAUL of in the 1st century A.D.
......JESUS said that MANY (plenteous in NUMBER) will come before his throne peddling the same thing that MOST so called Christian religions peddle today....
FAITH plus some self effort.......like works, religious hoop jumping, supposed law keeping etc......THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE CUT because to EMBELLISH = false double cursed gospel with NO POWER and FOOLISH BEWITCHED people buy into such an INEPT false gospel...<--PAUL, GALATIAN letter 1st CENTURY A.D.
And the tragic truth, the very same people ACCUSE us of the same crap they accused PAUL of in the 1st century A.D.
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Your quotes in Blue. My Response in Red.
Hebrews 12v14-15
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
What is Grace?
Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
How do you fall short of Gods grace? Look back at Hebrews 12v14-15. Justification (belief in Christ) without the pursuit of holiness/sanctification (Hebrews 12v14) cannot result in seeing the Lord. It’s plain what the word of God says. In black and white. And Grace will not disappoint, to those who pursue holiness, because Grace empowers (Titus 2v11-14), it teaches us to live a sanctified and holy life.
If you pursue holiness, you will have Grace. If you have Grace, and you choose to continue pursuing holiness, you have no trouble.
So Heb 12 overrules the fact that they were perfected forever? How does that equate for the reputation of God’s word?
perfected forever still means perfected forever Hebrews did not say they may be perfected, it depends on their willingness to be sanctified, can a believer who has gods spirit return to the point he is worse than he was before he was born again? How is that possible?
2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
who rejects the work,of sanctification? A believer has free will. They are free to accept sanctification (the pursuit of holiness – Hebrews 12v14), or reject it (2 Peter 2v21). Who can overpower God (those who are being sanctified) ? God will not drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against his your will. Who can break the seal of the spirit (Eph 1) If you want to quote Ephesians 1v13-14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Who can save themselves by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3).
Lets put in the whole section: Titus 3v4-7 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
See the sanctification there in v5? Just after your quoted section in v4.
Who can overcome Gods promise to all who have taken the bread from heaven promises that they will never hunger or thirst, live forever, never die, be raised on the last day, and has eternal life) what hope do they have to continue to believe if they do not have eternal life (1 John) I can go on and on about eternal security passages.
why would you want to try to save yourself by your work, and reject gods promises? Just asking.
You cannot save yourself by Works. I never stated this. You are saved by Faith. However faith includes obedience and holiness otherwise its not true faith.
All of the rest necessarily includes the process of sanctification above. If you don’t partake in holiness, obedience to the will of the Lord, you will fall short. Hebrews 12v14.
Hebrews 12v14-15
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
What is Grace?
Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
How do you fall short of Gods grace? Look back at Hebrews 12v14-15. Justification (belief in Christ) without the pursuit of holiness/sanctification (Hebrews 12v14) cannot result in seeing the Lord. It’s plain what the word of God says. In black and white. And Grace will not disappoint, to those who pursue holiness, because Grace empowers (Titus 2v11-14), it teaches us to live a sanctified and holy life.
If you pursue holiness, you will have Grace. If you have Grace, and you choose to continue pursuing holiness, you have no trouble.
So Heb 12 overrules the fact that they were perfected forever? How does that equate for the reputation of God’s word?
perfected forever still means perfected forever Hebrews did not say they may be perfected, it depends on their willingness to be sanctified, can a believer who has gods spirit return to the point he is worse than he was before he was born again? How is that possible?
2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
who rejects the work,of sanctification? A believer has free will. They are free to accept sanctification (the pursuit of holiness – Hebrews 12v14), or reject it (2 Peter 2v21). Who can overpower God (those who are being sanctified) ? God will not drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against his your will. Who can break the seal of the spirit (Eph 1) If you want to quote Ephesians 1v13-14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
- Then you need to know that believing in Jesus and the Gospel of Salvation includes those included in Ephesians 1v4 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Who can save themselves by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3).
Lets put in the whole section: Titus 3v4-7 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
See the sanctification there in v5? Just after your quoted section in v4.
Who can overcome Gods promise to all who have taken the bread from heaven promises that they will never hunger or thirst, live forever, never die, be raised on the last day, and has eternal life) what hope do they have to continue to believe if they do not have eternal life (1 John) I can go on and on about eternal security passages.
why would you want to try to save yourself by your work, and reject gods promises? Just asking.
You cannot save yourself by Works. I never stated this. You are saved by Faith. However faith includes obedience and holiness otherwise its not true faith.
All of the rest necessarily includes the process of sanctification above. If you don’t partake in holiness, obedience to the will of the Lord, you will fall short. Hebrews 12v14.
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Here are two reality checks...
1st What you peddle does not come from GOD (I.E. your twisted skewed view of scripture)
2nd If we say that we have no sin, we are devceived and the truth is not in US
John was inspired, you on the other hand.....not even close to the first letter that spells inspired -->I............
1st What you peddle does not come from GOD (I.E. your twisted skewed view of scripture)
2nd If we say that we have no sin, we are devceived and the truth is not in US
John was inspired, you on the other hand.....not even close to the first letter that spells inspired -->I............
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The bible is replete with every level of maturity and or failures in and by believers......
Some vessels of HONOUR and SOME not so HONOURABLE
SOME super faithful yet with sin <--Daniel
SOME unshakeable in faith yet sinners <---David
and everything in between
They cannot grasp this truth
Some vessels of HONOUR and SOME not so HONOURABLE
SOME super faithful yet with sin <--Daniel
SOME unshakeable in faith yet sinners <---David
and everything in between
They cannot grasp this truth
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I chose to put it in AMP , maybe it may help those who are busy helping themselves...
Ephesians 2:4-7 Amplified Bible (AMP)
4 But God, being [so very] rich in mercy, because of His great and wonderful love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of our sins, He made us [spiritually] alive together with Christ (for by His grace—His undeserved favor and mercy—you have been saved from God’s judgment). 6 And He raised us up together with Him [when we believed], and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, [because we are] in Christ Jesus, 7 [and He did this] so that in the ages to come He might [clearly] show the immeasurable and unsurpassed riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus [by providing for our redemption].
Christ is in heaven , where are we? , hidden in Christ , all the glory to God , we are SAVED by His amazing grace...
...xox...
Ephesians 2:4-7 Amplified Bible (AMP)
4 But God, being [so very] rich in mercy, because of His great and wonderful love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of our sins, He made us [spiritually] alive together with Christ (for by His grace—His undeserved favor and mercy—you have been saved from God’s judgment). 6 And He raised us up together with Him [when we believed], and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, [because we are] in Christ Jesus, 7 [and He did this] so that in the ages to come He might [clearly] show the immeasurable and unsurpassed riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus [by providing for our redemption].
Christ is in heaven , where are we? , hidden in Christ , all the glory to God , we are SAVED by His amazing grace...
...xox...
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