Awake to Righteousness and Don't Sin

[seed_time_harvest]

Interesting how much faith is needed great faith or little faith

IMO carnal man uses 5 sense knowledge to repent and believe then upon spiritual rebirth GOD gives them fruit of the SPIRIT and then when the person Is going through progressive sanctification renewing the mind then the person Increases In faith receiving what Is hoped for faster.

GOD gives THE measure of faith to those Born again so then big faith and little faith Is not talking about salvation but Is talking about progressive sanctification.

 

[JamOn]

IMO carnal man uses 5 sense knowledge to repent and believe then upon spiritual rebirth GOD gives them fruit of the SPIRIT and then when the person Is going through progressive sanctification renewing the mind then the person Increases In faith receiving what Is hoped for faster.

GOD gives THE measure of faith to those Born again so then big faith and little faith Is not talking about salvation but Is talking about progressive sanctification.

arg maybe I didn’t explain better, I meant how much faith is needed to do works

 

[Blik]

No one can dream up any "work" to do to please our Father. We do and are always willing to be used to execute His works. His is not working to earn salvation, we already have it by grace andmercy, it is obeying kGod.

No one who obeys God thinks he has , would or will ever earn anything by attmpting to do God a favor.. Learn this about the obedient and you will not be guilty of judment before its time.

How well you explain works. I think that people who don't comprehend the salvation they are given simply do not understand that the works we do has nothing to do with earning the salvation we are freely given and given apart from our works but given for our faith. Our works come naturally as a result of the love and salvation we are given.

To put a desire for sin into a life that God has given salvation is simply not possible and so is the idea of working for salvation that is only given through faith.

 

[dcontroversal]

Chris what did the death of Jesus on the cross do? did it just take away our past sins only?

The whole premise of this thread is a deceitful twist by the poster.....just like in the works thread....we can post verse after verse that deals with sin in a believer's life and he will skew it to say we are peddling a live as we please and sin like the devil gospel because we rightfully believe in eternal security.....the same crap the false teachers accused PAUL of in his day.

And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come "? Their condemnation is just.

Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

If WE say that WE have NO sin, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US.

EVEN DANIEL, which is called HOLY, and lumped with THREE MEN that could deliver themselves by their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS if it WERE possible, CONFESSED SINS.

1st JOHN covers BELIEVERS saying they have NO SIN, STATES clearly the SPIRIT BORN AGAIN does NOT SIN and believers WILL not LIVE a continual LIFESTYLE OF SIN....HOWEVER, BELIEVERS do FAIL, DO SIN, and SOME even for a SEASON--->HENCE GOD CHASTENS ONLY SONS for SIN that goes UNCHECKED.....this may include loss of FELLOWSHIP, SICKNESS, PREMATURE DEATH, the LOSS of REWARD and being MADE to wander the WILDERNESS (as evidenced by the scriptures) <---IT does not lead to the LOSS of salvation or our STANDING before GOD as a SON.

The originator of this thread is doing the SAME thing that those who opposed PAUL and JOHN have done in the 1st century A.D......conflating scripture, twisting scripture and context, falsely accusing believers of things they do not say and or imply, rejecting a plethora of verses that deal with sin in a believer and pushing a skewed gospel not found in scripture.......

JESUS paid the entire SIN debt of the WHOLE world at the cross.....HIS righteousness is IMPUTED by faith and OUR life is HID within CHRIST at the moment of genuine belief.

Where SIN abounds grace ABOUNDS the MORE.........

It is tragic that so called believers devalue JESUS, HIS work, HIS POWER, HIS BLOOD, HIS sacrifice, HIS mediation, his PRIESTHOOD, HIS payment for SIN and all he does on our behalf by peddling a dime store salvation that can be forfeit or lost like a coin on the street, and that which must be maintained by MAN and some hyper religious hoop jumping like a dog at the yearly Westminister dog show.

 

[Chris1975]

The whole premise of this thread is a deceitful twist by the poster.....just like in the works thread....we can post verse after verse that deals with sin in a believer's life and he will skew it to say we are peddling a live as we please and sin like the devil gospel because we rightfully believe in eternal security.....the same crap the false teachers accused PAUL of in his day.

And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come "? Their condemnation is just.

Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

If WE say that WE have NO sin, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US.

EVEN DANIEL, which is called HOLY, and lumped with THREE MEN that could deliver themselves by their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS if it WERE possible, CONFESSED SINS.

1st JOHN covers BELIEVERS saying they have NO SIN, STATES clearly the SPIRIT BORN AGAIN does NOT SIN and believers WILL not LIVE a continual LIFESTYLE OF SIN....HOWEVER, BELIEVERS do FAIL, DO SIN, and SOME even for a SEASON--->HENCE GOD CHASTENS ONLY SONS for SIN that goes UNCHECKED.....this may include loss of FELLOWSHIP, SICKNESS, PREMATURE DEATH, the LOSS of REWARD and being MADE to wander the WILDERNESS (as evidenced by the scriptures) <---IT does not lead to the LOSS of salvation or our STANDING before GOD as a SON.

The originator of this thread is doing the SAME thing that those who opposed PAUL and JOHN have done in the 1st century A.D......conflating scripture, twisting scripture and context, falsely accusing believers of things they do not say and or imply, rejecting a plethora of verses that deal with sin in a believer and pushing a skewed gospel not found in scripture.......

JESUS paid the entire SIN debt of the WHOLE world at the cross.....HIS righteousness is IMPUTED by faith and OUR life is HID within CHRIST at the moment of genuine belief.

Where SIN abounds grace ABOUNDS the MORE.........

It is tragic that so called believers devalue JESUS, HIS work, HIS POWER, HIS BLOOD, HIS sacrifice, HIS mediation, his PRIESTHOOD, HIS payment for SIN and all he does on our behalf by peddling a dime store salvation that can be forfeit or lost like a coin on the street, and that which must be maintained by MAN and some hyper religious hoop jumping like a dog at the yearly Westminister dog show.

DCOntroversial: Based on all this knowledge you have posted above can you answer these simple questions?

1) Can ongoing sin in a believers life have any impact on eternal security (Y/N)?
2) If the answer to point 1 is No (which I suspect will be your answer), then is such a person free to do anything (murder/rape, lie and steal) (Y/N)?
3) If the answer to Q2 above is "No" then what what are the maximum implications if they do such things as highlighted in Q2?
4) I asserted you say that once you believe at a single point in history you are from that point eternally secure. Is this person required to CONTINUALLY BELIEVE in Christ to obtain salvation, or are they free to stop believing and still have their salvation secure?

Straightforward answers will do.

 

[Dino246]

I am judging the theology you are presenting, the Lord gives us scripture to use to do that. We are told we are to die to sin, that Christ pays for our sin and through Him we are free from the penalty of our sin, we are free from the death our sins brings to us. Christ then lives in our hearts. Christ is sin free, you cannot have both sin and Christ in your heart. It is the gospel.

Christ allows me to know this, and teaches this. If you accepted Christ you would not be speaking as you do about the work of having a goal of freedom from sin. If you will study the book of Romans you would learn this.

Having Christ within does not take away our knowledge of the gospel or our ability to know of Christ, it takes away our desire to harm other people.

Saying to me, "You are trying to work for demons" is NOT "judging theology". You have a foul attitude towards me that is completely inconsistent with your claim to Christian faith.

 

[Blik]

Saying to me, "You are trying to work for demons" is NOT "judging theology". You have a foul attitude towards me that is completely inconsistent with your claim to Christian faith.

Believe me I have no foul attitude toward you, and defending my knowledge of Him that God has given me is not expressing a foul attitude it is defending what scripture tells both you and me. If a human person works to defend sinning and does not work for righteousness in our world it is working for demons, that is what they want for us. It is as true a statement as saying the sky looks blue. That is entirely different from personally accusing someone.

God's law is vitally important in our world. If Christians lose their desire to live as God has worked out a plan for our living we suffer terribly.

 

[Dino246]

Believe me I have no foul attitude toward you, and defending my knowledge of Him that God has given me is not expressing a foul attitude it is defending what scripture tells both you and me. If a human person works to defend sinning and does not work for righteousness in our world it is working for demons, that is what they want for us. It is as true a statement as saying the sky looks blue. That is entirely different from personally accusing someone.

God's law is vitally important in our world. If Christians lose their desire to live as God has worked out a plan for our living we suffer terribly.

Now you're accusing me of working to defend sinning; nothing in my earlier post even hints at that. At least you're consistent though; you consistently and grossly misinterpret the words of others, reading things that they have not written.

 

[Lightskin]

1 Corinthians 15
34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

This verse should settle the whole matter of these endless debates in the Church.

There should be no doubt that this is addressed to the Church. Not unbelievers. But yet you say (we are righteous!). That you are, positionally in Christ through faith in Jesus. Yet you are called to AWAKE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS. How can that be? Because you still have no comprehension that God has not changed one iota towards this topic of SIN. It is what caused the downfall in the garden, it is what caused separation and captivity of Israel, and is the primary cause of Apostacy in the Church. He has given US all the grace we need to live in victory, and live a life led by the Spirit.

When confronted (here on these forums) about obedience, holiness, doing the will of God - there is kick-back. Works salvationists we are falsely called. Yet these very things describe life in the Spirit. When confronting the dangers of sin, the topic of sin becomes one that has already been dealt with at the cross, we are forever righteous and cannot lose our salvation, etc, etc. When confronted with verses which WARN believers against unholy behaviour, we see twisting and squirming - changing words and meanings, and intellectualising. Yet Paul is, of whom you all quote, WARNING those in the church to AWAKE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS, and DO NOT SIN. Paul is not in conflict with the words of Jesus. Paul is not in conflict with the words of John. They marry perfectly.

Those who don't understand, or don't "see" this above - don't understand the Gospel at all. They do not have the knowledge of God. Haven't understood the cross to which they claim to cling.

Like Paul says - it is to your shame. For you do not have the knowledge of God.

Why are you fixated on sin?

 

[Chris1975]

Why are you fixated on sin?

Because my God is fixated on cleaning it up:

1 John 3 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[Chris1975]

Why are you fixated on sin?

Hebrews 6 (TWO PARTS THAT ARE LINKED IN AN IMPORTANT WAY)

PART 1
6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this [b]we will do if God permits.

PART 2
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

The problem in the Church today is that many do not understand the elementary principles of Christ, one of which is repentance from dead works. We are called to GO ON TO PERFECTION. We have some here saying repentance is no longer necessary because we have ALREADY repented. We have those saying continued faith in God is not necessary for salvation if you have already believed, because you are forever sealed at the moment you first believed. God calls these the BASICS (elementary principles). Yet endless debates here because the church prefers milk instead of meat. So we continue the good fight, exposing the falsity of the doctrines being pushed. Because the stakes are high.

For the real danger is PART 2 above. If you toy around with part 1, you will be in danger of part 2. That's why the fixation. Too many have backslidden and fallen away from the faith. History is littered with those who once professed the faith, but it is no longer "for them". We, as a church, have a responsibility to help disciple, warn and edify our brethren.

 

[oyster67]

Why are you fixated on sin?

We are not desirous that any should perish...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Lightskin]

Because my God is fixated on cleaning it up:

1 John 3 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

God has cleaned up our sin as seen at the foot of the cross. An empty tomb bears witness to His victory over sin and death, and it is our privilege to rejoice. Rather than celebrating this victory by sharing God’s grace, you prefer to focus on sin, which you yourself still commit on a daily basis.

 

[Lightskin]

We are not desirous that any should perish...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I believe you oyster because you share God‘s grace with people. Your primary focus on CC from what I see is God’s grace. When Grace is someone’s primary focus, pointing to sin from time to time has its place. There are others on this site however that overwhelmingly focus on sin and hardly ever mention grace. It’s sad and pathetic.

 

[Lightskin]

The problem in the Church today is that many do not understand the elementary principles of Christ

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you think you have to work to maintain your salvation. If that’s the case you yourself don’t understand the elementary principles of Christ.

 

[Chris1975]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you think you have to work to maintain your salvation. If that’s the case you yourself don’t understand the elementary principles of Christ.

Feel free to find any of my posts saying so and paste it here.

 

[Chris1975]

God has cleaned up our sin as seen at the foot of the cross. An empty tomb bears witness to His victory over sin and death, and it is our privilege to rejoice. Rather than celebrating this victory by sharing God’s grace, you prefer to focus on sin, which you yourself still commit on a daily basis.

You have very little understanding of what grace is.

 

[Lightskin]

Feel free to find any of my posts saying so and paste it here.

So in your arrogance you’re unable to say you’re not a worker bee. Good to know.

 

[Chris1975]

So in your arrogance you’re unable to say you’re not a worker bee. Good to know.

So you couldn't find any of my posts to support your accusation?

 

[Blik]

Now you're accusing me of working to defend sinning; nothing in my earlier post even hints at that. At least you're consistent though; you consistently and grossly misinterpret the words of others, reading things that they have not written.

And you, pure and kind as you are? are consistent in finding fault.

Now you're accusing me of working to defend sinning; nothing in my earlier post even hints at that. At least you're consistent though; you consistently and grossly misinterpret the words of others, reading things that they have not written.

If I accuse instead of saying what I think God wants of us, I truly have not meant to. I don't see how, though, we can hear from God in the same way with the same understanding of law, especially, and you use the words you do to express our mutual understanding of scripture. Do you truly think we are to put our entire effort into obeying the Lord? That would be saying we should learn the law, put it in our hearts, and follow it.