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I have read front to back many times. Can’t God use evil for good purposes? How does your response solidify your position there are no fallen angels/demons. I’m confused?
What do you think about the flood during Noah's time?
 

Aerials1978

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Should I look up the verse where it says that the evil spirit came upon king Soul from God or you have some time to look it up?
You obviously have time to make multiple posts. Surely you can take a minute to verify for yourself. BTW, I’m still waiting for the answer about Job.
 

oyster67

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To make it absolutely clear, God has never said that there exists a fallen angel satan, the devil or demons.
Not exactly sure what you are saying here. Jesus was tempted by Satan and Jesus was casting out devils and demons constantly. Jesus and God can speak for one another. Satan did rebel and fall. That is why He is going to do lots of time in Hell.
 
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So whom is Jesus talking about?
Is he talking about a fallen angel satan or about a thief?

Did you know that the scriptures speak about a "thief" in three categories:
1 Jesus
2 Time
3 People

Never about a fallen angel.

So whom Jesus refers to in Jn 10:10?

To at least 8 prophets like Ez 14:1-12

While yu are there, please read Eze 14:13 as well.
 
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Please read about God dispatching "bad" spirits to king Saul or Josabel. Also consider what King David prays God considering removing of his Holy Spirit.

Consider De 13:1-4 for a start.

He sent the spirit of delusions a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: rather than softening the heart as a work of Christ's faith.

They simply seen things not there puffed up by their own fleshly mind of imaginations . No faith coming from hearing Christ.

David most likely a plea of repentance and comfort. He like other old testament saints described below had the Spirit of Christ in them .it gave them a living hope of the future. The time of reformation.

Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1:8-11
 
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Is he talking about a fallen angel satan or about a thief?

Did you know that the scriptures speak about a "thief" in three categories:
1 Jesus
2 Time
3 People

Never about a fallen angel.

So whom Jesus refers to in Jn 10:10?

To at least 8 prophets like Ez 14:1-12

While yu are there, please read Eze 14:13 as well.

The fallen angel as a chief theif.
 
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He sent the spirit of delusions a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: rather than softening the heart as a work of Christ's faith.

They simply seen things not there puffed up by their own fleshly mind of imaginations . No faith coming from hearing Christ.

David most likely a plea of repentance and comfort. He like other old testament saints described below had the Spirit of Christ in them .it gave them a living hope of the future. The time of reformation.

Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1:8-11
Didn't God reveal His plan of salvation "through all of the prophets"?

Well, He began in Gen 3:15 very vaguely.
 

Aerials1978

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Do you deny that the evil spirit came upon king Saul from God?

Do you have a problem with God's word?
Did God send an evil spirit unto Saul? Yes He did. I know the position you’re taking. God didn’t say it was a fallen angel so therefore it can’t be said that it’s a demon or fallen angel.

Do you have an issue with Gods word? You seem to be denying a lot of it. Let me ask bluntly, do you believe any of it or are you here to simply be argumentative?
 
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He sent the spirit of delusions a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: rather than softening the heart as a work of Christ's faith.

They simply seen things not there puffed up by their own fleshly mind of imaginations . No faith coming from hearing Christ.

David most likely a plea of repentance and comfort. He like other old testament saints described below had the Spirit of Christ in them .it gave them a living hope of the future. The time of reformation.

Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1:8-11
Well, please consider 2Th 2:11 and keep it in mind when you look for an escape goat from Jam 1:14-13 or Ro 7:12-25
 
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Did God send an evil spirit unto Saul? Yes He did. I know the position you’re taking. God didn’t say it was a fallen angel so therefore it can’t be said that it’s a demon or fallen angel.

Do you have an issue with Gods word? You seem to be denying a lot of it. Let me ask bluntly, do you believe any of it or are you here to simply be argumentative?
The Word of God is my salvation. I don't assume or argue what is written (besides some of the obvious falsified translations like Jn 1:1-3 or Isa 9:6.

Now, please point me to the text I have "molested" in any way.
 
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The Word of God is my salvation. I don't assume or argue what is written (besides some of the obvious falsified translations like Jn 1:1-3 or Isa 9:6.

Now, please point me to the text I have "molested" in any way.
By the way, how could God sent a fallen entity to king Saul after He punished "it" in Ge 3?

Could "it" stand before God afterwards?
 

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The Word of God is my salvation. I don't assume or argue what is written (besides some of the obvious falsified translations like Jn 1:1-3 or Isa 9:6.

Now, please point me to the text I have "molested" in any way.
Never said molested. I will say that you’re not very well prepared to defend your theological positions and statements.
 

Aerials1978

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By the way, how could God sent a fallen entity to king Saul after He punished "it" in Ge 3?

Could "it" stand before God afterwards?
Can you give a specific verse? Also, are you going to reply to my Job question?
 
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Let me ask some more.

If a mindless animal, a snake, was "manipulated" by a supernatural power to make Eve to sin, would it be proper for God to punish it?

Or, if God punished the supernatural power, is it possible that "it" appeared before God again like in the book of Job?

Please read the Bible carefully. God has told us very clearly on many occasions from different perspectives about most important aspects pertaining to His plan of salvation.
 

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[HR][/HR]~—•—○— CHALLENGE —○—•—~
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Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.

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i'll go first:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(John 1:1-5)

The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!


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OK, your turn! Go!!
Hello posthuman!

I created the following document some time ago with all of the scriptures which directly or indirectly proclaim Jesus as being God.

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Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Immanuel means “God with us.”)

Isaiah.9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21-23 - She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” -- Which means, “God with us.” (Isaiah 7:14)

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:18 – No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

John 5:17-18 - Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 6:16-18 - Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:56-59 – “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old, “the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Note: The reason that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus was because he used the name that God had given Moses by which God was to be remembered throughout all generations as the, I am. See the following Scripture:

Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your fathers has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I am has sent me to you.”

John 10:29-33 - My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rom.9:5 - Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 - Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2:5-7 - Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Col.1:13-18 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Titus 2:13 - While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Heb.1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note: The verse below is as spoken by the Father regarding His Son, Jesus Christ:

Heb.1:8-11 - But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

2 Peter.1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.

I John 5:20 - We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-- even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the [true God] and eternal life.

Revelation 1:17 - When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

Revelation 2:1 - These are the words of the First and the Last, who died and returned to life.

Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
 
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Never said molested. I will say that you’re not very well prepared to defend your theological positions and statements.
I have no theological position.
I have the Word of God.
I can quote them for you but assume that you are Bible literate.
I have reformatted my PC just recently and have to re-install my files so sometimes I refer to the verses which I suppose you know well.
 
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Can you give a specific verse? Also, are you going to reply to my Job question?
A specific verse for....????
Nowhere in the book of Job God states that satan is a fallen angel.

So please consider what really God says to us and who that "satan" was.

If you argue that satan, a fallen angel, stood before God than was "he"rehabilitated? If so then when?

Please consider that if the Jews had an argument they had to stand before God...and so on.