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Here is a blessing from the Ten commandments... Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Read Psalms 1
Grandpa, you have been impressed with a view that is not scriptural which is blinding you causing you to right things that backfires.
Here is a blessing from the Ten commandments... Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Read Psalms 1
Grandpa, you have been impressed with a view that is not scriptural which is blinding you causing you to right things that backfires.
1.) I have a feeling you and I would disagree on what a believer is.
If that husband is a born again son of God and had a lustful thought (adultery of the heart is the same before God as a 10 year afair if we are speaking of justification before Him.... absolute perfection at every point is the standard) then that husband's new heart and quickened spirit will hate that lust and desire righteousness. He has repented (change of mind) of unbelief and God is working in this man already (change of inner man).
3341. metanoia ►
3.) Define it. I do indeed understand God will not lose one of His, and all of His are kept by His power.
4.) Nope. That would fall under being kept by the power of man as well as "things to come" separating you from His love. Both are impossible.
5.) Any disagree or dislike I gave you was based either on a false accusation of EG or a false implication of what scripture says. I believe every word of the bible so don't play the silly weak powerless less than genuine game of acting as if someone who disagrees with you "denies" scripture or talks against God.
6.) Jesus is God, always has been. The Holy spirit is God, always has been. The Father is God, always has been. So long as another accepts this as truth I don't care much for going down rabbit holes.
If that husband is a born again son of God and had a lustful thought (adultery of the heart is the same before God as a 10 year afair if we are speaking of justification before Him.... absolute perfection at every point is the standard) then that husband's new heart and quickened spirit will hate that lust and desire righteousness. He has repented (change of mind) of unbelief and God is working in this man already (change of inner man).
3341. metanoia ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentanceOriginal Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
2.) It is not a yes or no question if you understand what it means to be born again and pass from death to life as well as understand what the word means. (though if a man could have lust in his heart and not hate it, he ought to examine himself and consider if God started in Him)Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
3.) Define it. I do indeed understand God will not lose one of His, and all of His are kept by His power.
4.) Nope. That would fall under being kept by the power of man as well as "things to come" separating you from His love. Both are impossible.
5.) Any disagree or dislike I gave you was based either on a false accusation of EG or a false implication of what scripture says. I believe every word of the bible so don't play the silly weak powerless less than genuine game of acting as if someone who disagrees with you "denies" scripture or talks against God.
6.) Jesus is God, always has been. The Holy spirit is God, always has been. The Father is God, always has been. So long as another accepts this as truth I don't care much for going down rabbit holes.
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I have no idea what yu mean about the cross taking the blessings, this makes no sense. We are blessed because of the cross. And everything Jesus did on the cross.
paul wrote about how impossible it is to be justified law in fighting those who proclaim they must add law tojustificatiom
he told them why,
becuase cursed is the one who is not perfect (prety much what he said, obey every word is every word)
he also said that was the purpose of the law.
did paul lie?
i am glad you think the law can not curse you
but what worries me is you think the same law that curses you can make you a morally good person when that was not it’s intended purpose
taking anything out of its intended purpose is damaging, not helpful
by the way do you need help on how to quote, it’s difficult responding to you when I quote you and it comes blank
I have no idea what yu mean about the cross taking the blessings, this makes no sense. We are blessed because of the cross. And everything Jesus did on the cross.
paul wrote about how impossible it is to be justified law in fighting those who proclaim they must add law tojustificatiom
he told them why,
becuase cursed is the one who is not perfect (prety much what he said, obey every word is every word)
he also said that was the purpose of the law.
did paul lie?
i am glad you think the law can not curse you
but what worries me is you think the same law that curses you can make you a morally good person when that was not it’s intended purpose
taking anything out of its intended purpose is damaging, not helpful
by the way do you need help on how to quote, it’s difficult responding to you when I quote you and it comes blank
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yes end of discussion,
your not listening to a word I said, you are so focused on proving yourself right you keep repeating the same stuff over and over, when I have stated the context of my words is NOt justification b law and how I KnOw you do not believe we are
remember, it’s me who needs to grow up correct?
If there is a commandment and YOU do it how is that NOT working at it?
The commandment requires you to Love God. If you try really hard to love God aren't you working at that law?
Can you show where you answered these questions and DID NOT avoid these questions?
Because I can show you exactly where you didn't answer these questions but DID avoid them.
The commandment requires you to Love God. If you try really hard to love God aren't you working at that law?
Can you show where you answered these questions and DID NOT avoid these questions?
Because I can show you exactly where you didn't answer these questions but DID avoid them.
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Gentiles dont just kill...
Does that mean gentiles follow the law (torah) about murder?
Rom 2:14-15 KJV 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Does that mean gentiles follow the law (torah) about murder?
Rom 2:14-15 KJV 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
1) I mentioned nothing about a lustful heart, I am talking about committing adultery, I should have been specific, I assumed you would have known what I was saying being that I said nothing about committing adultery in the heart, neither am I talking about justification. So, to you, a person that is saved if he commits physical adultery he does not repent of sin, but of unbelief? Yes or No?
Don't give me words, words can be discuss later, I am just asking questions.
2) You are refusing to answer my first question, does he repent from sin and we are not talking about born-again, I already mentioned the person is saved. You are avoiding the question, but I will ask it another way. Can a believer, one who is saved sin? Yes or No?
3) So, you believe once saved always saved correct? Yes or No?
4) So, you believe a person cannot lose his salvation from your statement and that a saved person cannot betray his faith, that is what I gather. Yes or No?
5) You appear to make false accusation toward me probably because you cannot give me a straight answer, but the question I sent you was because I saw a thumbs down on my post on the Godhead. I am probably older than you, and I do not indulge in game playing. I made it clear in many post that I have no problem with anyone disagreeing, our views has nothing to do with salvation, as long as we believe in Yeshua and he's is in our lives we are saved. Is one thing denying the deity of Yeshua is another thing putting on the table once view on a Scriptural doctrine of theology and I would though a person like you would understand my statement. I only call a person a liar when they fabricate a statement that was not made or if they make a falsely accusation.
6) You stated... Jesus is God, always has been. The Holy spirit is God, always has been. The Father is God, always has been. So long as another accepts this as truth I don't care much for going down rabbit holes. So, you agree with my view on the one God? Yes or No.
Let me make myself clear again, I do not play games and I dislike intensely when one loses respect for me especially in a discussion, it is okay to disagree, I have no problem with a disagreement, but let someone tell me I don't know what I am talking about, I will put them in their place.
Respectfully,
Don't give me words, words can be discuss later, I am just asking questions.
2) You are refusing to answer my first question, does he repent from sin and we are not talking about born-again, I already mentioned the person is saved. You are avoiding the question, but I will ask it another way. Can a believer, one who is saved sin? Yes or No?
3) So, you believe once saved always saved correct? Yes or No?
4) So, you believe a person cannot lose his salvation from your statement and that a saved person cannot betray his faith, that is what I gather. Yes or No?
5) You appear to make false accusation toward me probably because you cannot give me a straight answer, but the question I sent you was because I saw a thumbs down on my post on the Godhead. I am probably older than you, and I do not indulge in game playing. I made it clear in many post that I have no problem with anyone disagreeing, our views has nothing to do with salvation, as long as we believe in Yeshua and he's is in our lives we are saved. Is one thing denying the deity of Yeshua is another thing putting on the table once view on a Scriptural doctrine of theology and I would though a person like you would understand my statement. I only call a person a liar when they fabricate a statement that was not made or if they make a falsely accusation.
6) You stated... Jesus is God, always has been. The Holy spirit is God, always has been. The Father is God, always has been. So long as another accepts this as truth I don't care much for going down rabbit holes. So, you agree with my view on the one God? Yes or No.
Let me make myself clear again, I do not play games and I dislike intensely when one loses respect for me especially in a discussion, it is okay to disagree, I have no problem with a disagreement, but let someone tell me I don't know what I am talking about, I will put them in their place.
Respectfully,
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Please carefully read what I said, if obedience to the law results in a blessing and disobedient results in a curse, what did Yeshua take to the cross, the blessing and the curse, or just the curse. If just the curse and we both agree with that, what happens to the blessing is that dissolved? You do not have to respond, you can answer that to yourself.
Please carefully read what I said, if obedience to the law results in a blessing and disobedient results in a curse, what did Yeshua take to the cross, the blessing and the curse, or just the curse. If just the curse and we both agree with that, what happens to the blessing is that dissolved? You do not have to respond, you can answer that to yourself.
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Who said I am going to the law of sin and death, is the law of sin and death the same law of the blessing? Again, the curse of the last Yeshua took it to the cross, I am redeemed from the curse because of Yeshua in my life, but if there is blessings in obedience let be me obedient, not that I am looking for blessing, that is a promise God gave and he does not break his promises.
Who said I am going to the law of sin and death, is the law of sin and death the same law of the blessing? Again, the curse of the last Yeshua took it to the cross, I am redeemed from the curse because of Yeshua in my life, but if there is blessings in obedience let be me obedient, not that I am looking for blessing, that is a promise God gave and he does not break his promises.
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So, your God lied and you can trash the book up Psalms in your bible because you do not believe that the laws bring blessing. Meditate on Psalms 1 and you will learn from it.
True that without Yeshua we can do nothing, but with him we can right? So, why can't you be obedient to the law of God? See, you are blinded with your view that it is causing you to make statements that is backfiring. So, before you make a statement make sure it does not backfire.
So, your God lied and you can trash the book up Psalms in your bible because you do not believe that the laws bring blessing. Meditate on Psalms 1 and you will learn from it.
True that without Yeshua we can do nothing, but with him we can right? So, why can't you be obedient to the law of God? See, you are blinded with your view that it is causing you to make statements that is backfiring. So, before you make a statement make sure it does not backfire.