Torah Observant Christians.
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Well said. 
The Net has proven to be an outlet for the worst kind of people to find more territory wherein they are able to exercise their worst side. The anonymity factor being deeply inviting because when one is not seen, like unto an invisible man/woman, it becomes easier to express what possibly has been repressed and thus pent up over time.
Craig's List for example. Terrible headlines have been made due to that one site. A serial killer even utilized the site to hunt for victims. And found them. God have mercy.
Think about it. No one can see you. No one knows your face, name, location. How tempting for those who rarely refuse to engage in any temptation. Even the worst possible evils, like that of a serial killer.
When I first got on the Net it was because my twin had passed on and left me her house, turns out her computer also, even though someone she knew, loved, and trusted, had downloaded every file she had stored, and due to her direction in her will, in the event I wanted to clean it and sell it and buy new.
I did clean it, but I still have her files. Using it makes me feel close to her even when she's gone.
I searched for Christians in community my first day on the Web. What fun. A whole community of sisters and brothers to meet with all over the world.
Boy was I naive. Because as we know where there is light there is darkness. And where there is darkness, there is light that it be exposed.
The rose colored glasses fell away rather quickly I'm afraid.
I think our passion for Christ and His word leads us to focus on leading people to proper understanding. And when this is not soon coming, we can grow frustrated.
And conversely those who are passionate in their love of Christ and understanding of His word, who may feel differently than we, do the same.
We're still human after all.
On the Net it is not always easy to recognize the wheat and the tares. Such is the anonymous mask that lets some pretend rather well.
We're certainly not going to stop such things. What I think I'm working most to learn is to stop tilting at windmills when it becomes very obvious that someone doesn't accept what is my understanding of scripture. It is the passion for the Truth I think that leads us to wish all people, especially those we encounter on line, find that truth. And sometimes we don't realize, Truth isn't what some people are after.
Trust in the Lord in all things. It isn't your, my, responsibility to make people see things our way.
We can hope to guide the sincere to the way. However, it has always been God who shines the light on the True path.
Blessings.
The Net has proven to be an outlet for the worst kind of people to find more territory wherein they are able to exercise their worst side. The anonymity factor being deeply inviting because when one is not seen, like unto an invisible man/woman, it becomes easier to express what possibly has been repressed and thus pent up over time.
Craig's List for example. Terrible headlines have been made due to that one site. A serial killer even utilized the site to hunt for victims. And found them.
God have mercy.
Think about it. No one can see you. No one knows your face, name, location. How tempting for those who rarely refuse to engage in any temptation. Even the worst possible evils, like that of a serial killer.
When I first got on the Net it was because my twin had passed on and left me her house, turns out her computer also, even though someone she knew, loved, and trusted, had downloaded every file she had stored, and due to her direction in her will, in the event I wanted to clean it and sell it and buy new.
I did clean it, but I still have her files. Using it makes me feel close to her even when she's gone.
I searched for Christians in community my first day on the Web. What fun. A whole community of sisters and brothers to meet with all over the world.
Boy was I naive. Because as we know where there is light there is darkness. And where there is darkness, there is light that it be exposed.
The rose colored glasses fell away rather quickly I'm afraid.
I think our passion for Christ and His word leads us to focus on leading people to proper understanding. And when this is not soon coming, we can grow frustrated.
And conversely those who are passionate in their love of Christ and understanding of His word, who may feel differently than we, do the same.
We're still human after all.
On the Net it is not always easy to recognize the wheat and the tares. Such is the anonymous mask that lets some pretend rather well.
We're certainly not going to stop such things. What I think I'm working most to learn is to stop tilting at windmills when it becomes very obvious that someone doesn't accept what is my understanding of scripture. It is the passion for the Truth I think that leads us to wish all people, especially those we encounter on line, find that truth. And sometimes we don't realize, Truth isn't what some people are after.
Trust in the Lord in all things. It isn't your, my, responsibility to make people see things our way.
We can hope to guide the sincere to the way. However, it has always been God who shines the light on the True path.
Blessings.
people disagrees that the ten commands are the means to christian growth and even Gods plan of how we can truly walk righteous lives. And all you and the other poster has done has attacked them.
and you can’t even show you understand what they are saying
its sad truly sad
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That's the secret to Christianity that the Judaizers and legalists don't understand.
Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
The law describes righteousness. But THINKING that you keep it, and are therefore righteous, is error.
Matthew 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Sadly, I will have to admit that I am not perfect. Even in my faithfulness to my wife.
My ONLY hope is in the Lord Jesus. Definitely not by my own work at righteousness.
Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
The law describes righteousness. But THINKING that you keep it, and are therefore righteous, is error.
Matthew 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Sadly, I will have to admit that I am not perfect. Even in my faithfulness to my wife.
My ONLY hope is in the Lord Jesus. Definitely not by my own work at righteousness.
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This whole thread is about Torah "observant" Christians.
How is it possible to say that you look to the Law and you keep that Law but you don't work at it?
That is the VERY definition of working at the law. You read it. You know what it says. Then you do it. That is working at the law.
If that is NOT working at the law then what is?
How is it possible to say that you look to the Law and you keep that Law but you don't work at it?
That is the VERY definition of working at the law. You read it. You know what it says. Then you do it. That is working at the law.
If that is NOT working at the law then what is?
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I think there are few gatherings that actually have the Torah that Ive ever been to cos they mostly locked away in synagogues. Its huge scrolls in Hebrew and very precious.
Im talking about the physical thing here. But if you do go to Israel they have entire museums dedicated to the preservation of them eg dead sea scrolls.
if you talking about the spirit not the letter well when you are saved God writes the Word on your heart.
I think a lot of 7day adventists unnecessarily make a doctrine of certain scriputres and create a lot of confusion around it. Its kinda like the presys and their pet doctrine of TULIP bulbs. Im going to be blunt and say Give it a rest already.
Im talking about the physical thing here. But if you do go to Israel they have entire museums dedicated to the preservation of them eg dead sea scrolls.
if you talking about the spirit not the letter well when you are saved God writes the Word on your heart.
I think a lot of 7day adventists unnecessarily make a doctrine of certain scriputres and create a lot of confusion around it. Its kinda like the presys and their pet doctrine of TULIP bulbs. Im going to be blunt and say Give it a rest already.
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They have trouble understanding what you just stated, but I will say this... though they say that the law is done away with they do no realize that they are keeping 9 of 10 commandments, they do not keep the Sabbath. I believe that if they put away what many were impressed with and go back into the Scriptures the Spirit of God will enlighten them with an understanding of the truth of the of God, what God made clear when he first spoke.
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They have trouble understanding what you just stated, but I will say this... though they say that the law is done away with they do no realize that they are keeping 9 of 10 commandments, they do not keep the Sabbath. I believe that if they put away what many were impressed with and go back into the Scriptures the Spirit of God will enlighten them with an understanding of the truth of the of God, what God made clear when he first spoke.
I have a five page PDF available on my site which is informative and useful and you will be please with it, just study it. I am providing the link if you are interested https://info349479.wixsite.com/mysite/subscription
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Tithes were to be given to the Levi priest and the tithes was not a monetary offerings. So, the question that we have to ask, do we have to pay tithes today? No! Tithes were given to the Levi priest! But then Abraham paid 10% to the high priest Melzeisedec, but the 10% he gave was of the spoils and not monetary, but remember that Abraham gave it to him willingly. Yeshua was a high priest after the order of Melzeisedec, so, why not give Yeshua tithes? The question is who are you going to give it to, the church or the pastor? In my opinion, it should be given to the pastor, missionaries, real evangelist and it is up to the individual how much he wants to give. Abraham decided to give 10%, but it is up to the individual and I believe that God want's a person to give willingly, but wise, he does not want you to get into debt.
Alms and offerings should be given to pay for the bills and maintenance. One can also, set a yearly salary for the pastor and it should be no more than $100K, every year thereafter, he can get an increase to help with the cost of living.
Above is my opinion, I put my view on the table.
Tithes were to be given to the Levi priest and the tithes was not a monetary offerings. So, the question that we have to ask, do we have to pay tithes today? No! Tithes were given to the Levi priest! But then Abraham paid 10% to the high priest Melzeisedec, but the 10% he gave was of the spoils and not monetary, but remember that Abraham gave it to him willingly. Yeshua was a high priest after the order of Melzeisedec, so, why not give Yeshua tithes? The question is who are you going to give it to, the church or the pastor? In my opinion, it should be given to the pastor, missionaries, real evangelist and it is up to the individual how much he wants to give. Abraham decided to give 10%, but it is up to the individual and I believe that God want's a person to give willingly, but wise, he does not want you to get into debt.
Alms and offerings should be given to pay for the bills and maintenance. One can also, set a yearly salary for the pastor and it should be no more than $100K, every year thereafter, he can get an increase to help with the cost of living.
Above is my opinion, I put my view on the table.
Since you're one of those that are regularly disrespected here for your Doctrine, I'll let that speak for itself.
The tragic division in the community of Christ arrived with the Denominational fracture long ago. Men, who decided to define God's message their way. And now what we witness all these years later are people who are actually holding faith in their particular denominations teachings. Which is why certain of their members think the ten commandments no longer matter. A moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters, applies, etc... The redeeming part of that denominational error and false leading arrives when those men who created that false belief will answer to a higher standard than the rest of us. Including those countless one's they led astray.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
The tragic division in the community of Christ arrived with the Denominational fracture long ago. Men, who decided to define God's message their way. And now what we witness all these years later are people who are actually holding faith in their particular denominations teachings. Which is why certain of their members think the ten commandments no longer matter. A moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters, applies, etc... The redeeming part of that denominational error and false leading arrives when those men who created that false belief will answer to a higher standard than the rest of us. Including those countless one's they led astray.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
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again with the law does not matter or is done away with this.
Please provide proof people claim this is true..
once again, I am sick of the false accusations of people who are too proud to sit and listen to what others are thinking,
The redeeming part of that denominational error and false leading arrives when those men who created that false belief will answer to a higher standard than the rest of us. Including those countless one's they led astray.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
the error is thinking that we enabled to grow in christ, and learn how to be obedient by following ten commands, that in Jesus own words are not complete enough to show us all possible ways of breaking that commands.
Instead of pointing people to Christ and to the spiri6t, and serving others, they point them to ten commands, and say, here follow these, This will make you a morally good person. When never in the history of this earth has that been possible or true.
That's too bad because when someone thinks they can blaspheme Christ and slander Christians with impunity, they're delusional and without grace and as such are deserved of being rebuked, just as God says.
As for proof? No. The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again while expecting a different outcome. When over 3 thousand pages don't get through, after the Bible itself fails,one owes it to their precious life's time to acknowledge it is as God wills.
When Jesus ministry enveloped His Ten Words within them, that says it all.
It is redundant for anyone to think a Christian cannot be moral, nor respect the moral laws in practice, when Jesus said it was that which would be written in our hearts so that we may know the road to righteousness.
It is false teaching for any Denomination to claim the Ten Words are a matter of Works Salvation. In fact, if I were to be one who resorts to the worlds language so as to express the error of that ideology, I would go so low as to say, it is an abomination before God to conflate the two.
The Christian knows they don't work to stay Saved or to be in God's grace. However, when someone who names themselves after Christ argues what in essence is the platform of immorality, when they claim the moral commands Jesus incorporated into His ministry aren't actually what He meant to teach and for us to respect and keep, we have to realize such a doctrine is grounded in worldly carnality and immorality. Not the Love Jesus said the Ten words, and the Prophets hang upon.
Therefore, what those false one's are about is to argue for what those opposed to OSAS, and those folks typically are opposed as well to the eternal element of Salvation, that they are able to sin with impunity because the moral frame of Jesus teachings are done away. As is the fidelity and love for God and God alone.
The Denominations patriarchs responsible for that abomination must have overlooked the scripture that informed them they would be held to a higher standard come the judgment. Tragically there shall be many nominal Christians standing in line right behind them as loyalists who had faith in those teachings, rather than the truth of God in Christ.
God have mercy.
I will no longer expose my spirit to what my Lord called, anti-christ doctrine. Live as you believe you are worthy. God shall be your judge. Amen.
As for proof? No. The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again while expecting a different outcome. When over 3 thousand pages don't get through, after the Bible itself fails,one owes it to their precious life's time to acknowledge it is as God wills.
When Jesus ministry enveloped His Ten Words within them, that says it all.
It is redundant for anyone to think a Christian cannot be moral, nor respect the moral laws in practice, when Jesus said it was that which would be written in our hearts so that we may know the road to righteousness.
It is false teaching for any Denomination to claim the Ten Words are a matter of Works Salvation. In fact, if I were to be one who resorts to the worlds language so as to express the error of that ideology, I would go so low as to say, it is an abomination before God to conflate the two.
The Christian knows they don't work to stay Saved or to be in God's grace. However, when someone who names themselves after Christ argues what in essence is the platform of immorality, when they claim the moral commands Jesus incorporated into His ministry aren't actually what He meant to teach and for us to respect and keep, we have to realize such a doctrine is grounded in worldly carnality and immorality. Not the Love Jesus said the Ten words, and the Prophets hang upon.
Therefore, what those false one's are about is to argue for what those opposed to OSAS, and those folks typically are opposed as well to the eternal element of Salvation, that they are able to sin with impunity because the moral frame of Jesus teachings are done away. As is the fidelity and love for God and God alone.
The Denominations patriarchs responsible for that abomination must have overlooked the scripture that informed them they would be held to a higher standard come the judgment. Tragically there shall be many nominal Christians standing in line right behind them as loyalists who had faith in those teachings, rather than the truth of God in Christ.
God have mercy.
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Then why are you keeping the law of Moses by being faithful to your wife then?
Rom 7:1Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
Is your wife bound to you? are you bound to your wife?
Again, congratulations for perfectly keeping the law of Moses.
Rom 7:1Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
Is your wife bound to you? are you bound to your wife?
Again, congratulations for perfectly keeping the law of Moses.
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Since you're one of those that are regularly disrespected here for your Doctrine, I'll let that speak for itself.
The tragic division in the community of Christ arrived with the Denominational fracture long ago. Men, who decided to define God's message their way. And now what we witness all these years later are people who are actually holding faith in their particular denominations teachings. Which is why certain of their members think the ten commandments no longer matter. A moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters, applies, etc... The redeeming part of that denominational error and false leading arrives when those men who created that false belief will answer to a higher standard than the rest of us. Including those countless one's they led astray.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
The tragic division in the community of Christ arrived with the Denominational fracture long ago. Men, who decided to define God's message their way. And now what we witness all these years later are people who are actually holding faith in their particular denominations teachings. Which is why certain of their members think the ten commandments no longer matter. A moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters, applies, etc... The redeeming part of that denominational error and false leading arrives when those men who created that false belief will answer to a higher standard than the rest of us. Including those countless one's they led astray.
The dedicated faithfulness to such false doctrine, and opposition to Christ and His actual teaching concerning His Ten Words are relegated to a subtext in such cases. The Denominational programming stands supreme. That is what is really sad. Because the zealous members of such false teachings are unable to be led to the right, the light, even by Jesus own words.
God have mercy.
Very good statements you made toward does who hold that the law is done away with... "a moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters", I add this statement in one of my web page and sign "whisper"
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