Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today
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It wouldn't if newscasters had your level of unbelief toward miracles and dismissed them out of hand. Even if they believed in them and their colleagues would laugh them to scorn and not allow them to be promoted, etc. for covering such stories.
If there were a real bigfoot or a Loch Ness monster, real news outlets wouldn't report that, either. Sadly, many unbelievers put miracles from God, including Biblical miracles, in the same category as bigfoot in their minds.
You are very naive about the quality of news media.
If there were a real bigfoot or a Loch Ness monster, real news outlets wouldn't report that, either. Sadly, many unbelievers put miracles from God, including Biblical miracles, in the same category as bigfoot in their minds.
You are very naive about the quality of news media.
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So in other words, you have an interpretation of I Corinthians 13 that does not really relate to what the words on the page actually say. That seems a little looser even than allegorical interpretation.
We are talking about this:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Paul writes about knowledge, not about a manuscript or book. If you don't believe he is talking about knowledge, then why have this conversation? You could also say the passage means not to eat chocolate while playing the piano. That has even less to do with what the words actually say.
This is your theory about... putting such limitations on how the Holy Spirit that the Bible does not. I don't consider your theories to be inspired, however. I choose to 'contend for the faith once delivered to the saints' instead.
We are talking about this:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Paul writes about knowledge, not about a manuscript or book. If you don't believe he is talking about knowledge, then why have this conversation? You could also say the passage means not to eat chocolate while playing the piano. That has even less to do with what the words actually say.
This is your theory about... putting such limitations on how the Holy Spirit that the Bible does not. I don't consider your theories to be inspired, however. I choose to 'contend for the faith once delivered to the saints' instead.
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The Holy Spirit in Acts
The Gift of the Holy Spirit given directly to all believers for all time
I. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit
A. Given directly to the Apostles
1. They spoke in tongues, prophesied and performed signs and wonders in Acts
a. Given to Philip by the Apostles.
(1) He worked signs and wonders
b. Given to the Samaritans by the Apostles
c. Given to the Ephesians by the Apostles
(1) They spoke in tongues and prophesied
B. Given directly to the Gentiles at Cornelius' house
1. They spoke in tongues and magnified God
If you don't know your Bible and believe in miricales you may not get them...for it takes faith in Christ...the gifts still exist and there is still the Baptism of the HS it just may not be visible all the time...and not all may get it like others....for if you are crazy and come up with cessationism...which makes no sense anyway....the way P/C does things may no be right either
Hm, your points I till IV adresses 4 different groups. I the jews from acts 2, the Samaritians from acts 8, the gentiles in acts 10 and the disciples of John the baptist in acts 19. The events II - IV were reported for to show the jews that gentiles, Samaritians and disciples of John the baptist also got the Holy Spirit, like they do. Otherwise they would not hardly accept that Jesus came for all mankind and not only for them.
These events had nothing to do with what we read in 1.Cor. the gifts which are given there from the Holy Spirit were to build up the body of Christ, the church. The so called sign gifts, ( prophecie, healing and speaking in tongues)disapeared as gifts for build up the church. With the canon, prophecie which we know from the OT ore during the time of the apostles was not longer needet. So as we today no need an extra revelation out of what is written in the word of God. What we need are teachers, shepherds , and leader which are teaching and leading according of the word of God.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit which is taught from the pentecostal and charismatic movements has nothing to do with with what we find in acts.
And at this point we will find no unity with our pentecostal/ charismatic brothers and sisters.
These events had nothing to do with what we read in 1.Cor. the gifts which are given there from the Holy Spirit were to build up the body of Christ, the church. The so called sign gifts, ( prophecie, healing and speaking in tongues)disapeared as gifts for build up the church. With the canon, prophecie which we know from the OT ore during the time of the apostles was not longer needet. So as we today no need an extra revelation out of what is written in the word of God. What we need are teachers, shepherds , and leader which are teaching and leading according of the word of God.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit which is taught from the pentecostal and charismatic movements has nothing to do with with what we find in acts.
And at this point we will find no unity with our pentecostal/ charismatic brothers and sisters.
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So are cessasonist saying God is changeable and His word is limited that the Holy Spirit is not still the same today? Is that the jist of what is being said?
I would challenge any here to begin seeking God in earnest for the same baptism of the Holy Spirit that came in acts after Jesus breathed on them and told them to receive the Holy Spirit!
I would challenge any here to begin seeking God in earnest for the same baptism of the Holy Spirit that came in acts after Jesus breathed on them and told them to receive the Holy Spirit!
Why can't people leave the Bible alone...if you take lots of words that are not in the Bible to explain things in the Bible it tends to get into what just is not there....if you just read the NT you would think apostles and prophets are still around in few in number...but to say the two top offices do not exist you would never get that out of the Bible...i got hit by the HS in the chest like a ball of flame on a sofa 25 years ago after I promised to learn the whole Bible...now 25 years later ..the HS comes over others and confirms to them I do know the whole Bible easily...but if people want to argue over things instead of living the NT...they may just not get much...we need to get to others...Bishop is not used by some denominations now...but it's a Bible Word too and position...maybe we have an apostle today that appoints Bishops that appoint elders and deacons....and pastor and teacher is below evangelist...but we need all working right...how we ever let the Devil trick us out of these positions is mind blowing for God never said they would stop and he didn't give them to P/C to swing from the ceiling with it and misusing younger etc...
It's important to note the NT works...i know it does...i had read it long and hard before I met a church that told me oh no...God does not speak today lmao...He does...thru His Word and thru Him as He sees fit...but to teach He can't communicate now because the Bible is complete...the Bible never says that...it takes a real different stretch to say the Bible nullifies God like that...but P/C are crazy too...its neither like so many other things we are discussing the Bible has things that almost none see for they don't want to see and do and give
It's important to note the NT works...i know it does...i had read it long and hard before I met a church that told me oh no...God does not speak today lmao...He does...thru His Word and thru Him as He sees fit...but to teach He can't communicate now because the Bible is complete...the Bible never says that...it takes a real different stretch to say the Bible nullifies God like that...but P/C are crazy too...its neither like so many other things we are discussing the Bible has things that almost none see for they don't want to see and do and give