Elections have pagan origins

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Once free, the Romans established a republic, a government in which citizens elected representatives to rule on their behalf. A republic is quite different from a democracy, in which every citizen is expected to play an active role in governing the state. The Roman Republic [ushistory.org]

Early Voting in Ancient Greece
Since approximately 508 B.C., Ancient Greece seems to have implemented the earliest form of democracy. Greeks had a "negative" election -- that is, each year voters, who were the male land owners, were asked to vote for the political leader or "candidates" they most wanted to be exiled for the next ten years.

The early ballot system was voters wrote their choice on broken pieces of pots, ostraka in Greek, and from this name comes our present word to ostracize. If any "candidate" received more than 6,000 votes then the one with the largest number was exiled. If no politician received 6,000 votes then they all remained. Since voters were only male land owners, the number of voters was small. If there was a fairly even spread of votes, no one would be exiled, so usually only very unpopular political leaders were ostracized or exiled.

Today, however, there are few politicians who would survive 6,000 negative votes!

History Of Elections


Elections are not new to India. There are numerous mentions of republican forms of governments in Buddhist literature as well as in the accounts of Greek invaders who described some states as 'pure democracies'. This excerpt from V.S. Rama Devi and S.K. Mendiratta's book 'How India Votes: Election Laws, Practice and Procedure' sheds light on the history of voting and elections in ancient India. (Photo Source: Nilanjana Chaudhary/Al Jazeera/Flickr)How India Votes: History of Elections in Ancient India | Sahapedia

The main legislative assembly of the late Republic was the Comitia Tributa, which was also in charge of the elections of Roman magistrates. This assembly was organised around the voting unit of the tribe – a territorial unit to which each Roman citizen belonged by birth or legal act. Elections in the late Roman Republic: how did they work?
 
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Voting for most offices was open to all full Roman citizens, a group that excluded women, slaves and originally those living outside of Rome. In the early Republic the electorate would have been small, but as Rome grew it expanded. The Lex Julia of 90 BCE extending voting rights to citizens across Italy greatly expanded the franchise. By the final Republican census of 70 BCE there were 910,000 possible electors. Elections in the Roman Republic - Wikipedia

Actually, the pagan root argument is not really an argument, in fact it really does not tell us anything about the morality of the day or tree. This type of thinking happens to be a fallacy. It’s called a genetic fallacy. For example, consider the Volkswagen company, it was birthed out of Nazi Germany. Hitler himself, the way I understand it, had a direct hand in the company and in the making and designing of some vehicles. So my question to you is this, should we not drive VW’s?

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Something is good or bad, right or wrong because of the rightness or wrongness or goodness or badness of the thing itself and what it means to the present culture.

Christians Who Fear Christmas, Because It Has Pagan Origins, Is That Good Thinking?
 
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Um... what's your point? You contradicted your own thread title, and none of this has anything to do with Scripture.
 
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TheLearner said:

Once free, the Romans established a republic, a government in which citizens elected representatives to rule on their behalf. A republic is quite different from a democracy, in which every citizen is expected to play an active role in governing the state.
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The United States is a republic as well governed by democratic principals.
 
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Yep.
 
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right up there with solar panels and wind farms :geek:
 
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Wait... my wind farms are powered by solar panels. ;)
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I had to put a fan to turn my wind turbine to generate electricity. My electric bill got confused.
 
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genetic fallacy.

Jeremiah 10:1 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says the Lord:

Do not learn the way of the nations,
or be dismayed at the signs of the heavens;
for the nations are dismayed at them.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Paul says, "abstain from every form of evil"
 
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the pretense of democracy is 'vox populi, vox dei'

-- the voice of the people is the voice of god
 
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TheLearner said:

Once free, the Romans established a republic, a government in which citizens elected representatives to rule on their behalf. A republic is quite different from a democracy, in which every citizen is expected to play an active role in governing the state. The Roman Republic [ushistory.org]

Early Voting in Ancient Greece
Since approximately 508 B.C., Ancient Greece seems to have implemented the earliest form of democracy. Greeks had a "negative" election -- that is, each year voters, who were the male land owners, were asked to vote for the political leader or "candidates" they most wanted to be exiled for the next ten years.

The early ballot system was voters wrote their choice on broken pieces of pots, ostraka in Greek, and from this name comes our present word to ostracize. If any "candidate" received more than 6,000 votes then the one with the largest number was exiled. If no politician received 6,000 votes then they all remained. Since voters were only male land owners, the number of voters was small. If there was a fairly even spread of votes, no one would be exiled, so usually only very unpopular political leaders were ostracized or exiled.

Today, however, there are few politicians who would survive 6,000 negative votes!

History Of Elections


Elections are not new to India. There are numerous mentions of republican forms of governments in Buddhist literature as well as in the accounts of Greek invaders who described some states as 'pure democracies'. This excerpt from V.S. Rama Devi and S.K. Mendiratta's book 'How India Votes: Election Laws, Practice and Procedure' sheds light on the history of voting and elections in ancient India. (Photo Source: Nilanjana Chaudhary/Al Jazeera/Flickr)How India Votes: History of Elections in Ancient India | Sahapedia

The main legislative assembly of the late Republic was the Comitia Tributa, which was also in charge of the elections of Roman magistrates. This assembly was organised around the voting unit of the tribe – a territorial unit to which each Roman citizen belonged by birth or legal act. Elections in the late Roman Republic: how did they work?
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Back to Old Testament, God chose the leader. It was a prophet or judge, than Israel want a King and God chose the king.

Now God not speak directly to us, than people chose the leader.

People may make mistake and chose wrong leader

Now depend on the people, if majority voter are God people and pray , ask God before chose, than we will have Godly leader. If the majority are pagan than they will chose ungodly leader.

Democracy can be good or bad depend on quality of the people
 
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genetic fallacy.

Jeremiah 10:1 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says the Lord:

Do not learn the way of the nations,
or be dismayed at the signs of the heavens;
for the nations are dismayed at them.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Paul says, "abstain from every form of evil"
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I see O house of Israel...I do not see every Gentile nation that was and is to come

you do realize that Israel is the ONLY nation to have made a covenant with God...I mean you do know that, right?

we as individuals are not a nation and abstain from every form of evil does not apply to voting

cheese whiz :rolleyes:

pick a verse apparently...ANY verse...and make a doctrine out of it. yeah. ok
 
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Wedding rings have pagan origins.
 
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wondering if electing to put up a Christmas tree is a double pagan?
 
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