Why didn’t Jesus know?
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I wonder if the day and hr is as relevant as is the number .. In verse 11, here a day or hour was not mentioned either , if we each have free will then I could see more a little wiggle room and the Father says when it's ''go time''
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Just because Jesus asked who touched Him? No, the white lie would be if the woman who did touch Him stayed quiet.
Asking who touched Him was the pre-crucifixion Jesus, who did nothing but what the Father who sent Him led Him to do.
We can take that and consider this touching to mean, Jesus didn't actually know. Or, Jesus asking the question, as I said before, lets the one who did show their level of integrity.
Even if Jesus did know, lets presume, He didn't tell a lie when He asked who touched Him. Asking a question while knowing the answer isn't lying. White or otherwise. Nor is it telling a half truth.
Asking who touched Him was the pre-crucifixion Jesus, who did nothing but what the Father who sent Him led Him to do.
We can take that and consider this touching to mean, Jesus didn't actually know. Or, Jesus asking the question, as I said before, lets the one who did show their level of integrity.
Even if Jesus did know, lets presume, He didn't tell a lie when He asked who touched Him. Asking a question while knowing the answer isn't lying. White or otherwise. Nor is it telling a half truth.
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I see God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as being 3 persons that are all 1 God. Kind of like the senate all being one senate but consisting of multiple people. In the Bible it says “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28. In the Bible there are multiple examples of Jesus praying to the father, doing the Fathers will, etc. I believe God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit all have different functions therefore the Father is greater then the son and when he commands the Son to return he will return.
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He was yet in the flesh working His mission for all who come to Him. He thought it nothing to not be God for a time for the salvation of all who will come to Him. He was not yet glorified. He certainly is now, and back to being our Eternal Father,our King, our Husband,, The Ruler of Peace Counselor, Comforter, God Almighty………..Isaiah 9;6
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The nature of God is so far beyond what we humans can even begin to comprehend. We’re talking about a force so powerful that the entire universe of trillions of stars was formed by His will. When I really ponder that,I know exactly how David felt.
When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them?
Psalm 8:3-4
When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them?
Psalm 8:3-4
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this is how scripture says each man is tempted:
if i put that together with what He preaches in the sermon on the mount, would this position further be saying that He sinned in His heart?
IMO Jesus was 'tested' by Satan, not 'tempted'
the word in Hebrews 4:15 (('. . . in every way, just as we are, yet without sin')) means also to prove, to attempt or try, to test - and it is the same word in Matthew 4, Mark 1, Luke 4. it's the same word here:
but Satan did not ken Who he dealt with, and tested Him, probing to find fault, to arouse lust and cause Him to sin, if it were possible.
and @JamOn Jesus isn't telling a 'white lie' by asking Philip this either, even though He knows the answer full well. it shows how that God asks questions, just like 'where are you?' to Adam & Woman in the garden, He knows the answer, but He is asking in order to demonstrate something of those He is asking. the woman who reached out to touch the hem of His robe, who in the crowd took any notice of her? but when He put the question - then everyone did.
not for her. He could have turned to her and asked her directly if she touched Him.
and not for Him - Jesus Christ is never not God. He knows.
this is for the sake of everyone else that heard Him say it
every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(James 1:14)
so taking that position would be saying Jesus lusted. if i put that together with what He preaches in the sermon on the mount, would this position further be saying that He sinned in His heart?
IMO Jesus was 'tested' by Satan, not 'tempted'
the word in Hebrews 4:15 (('. . . in every way, just as we are, yet without sin')) means also to prove, to attempt or try, to test - and it is the same word in Matthew 4, Mark 1, Luke 4. it's the same word here:
When Jesus then lifted up His eyes, and saw a great company come unto Him, He saith unto Philip,
whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
And this He said to prove him: for He himself knew what He would do.
(John 6:5-6)
you wouldn't say Jesus was 'tempting' Philip, would you?but Satan did not ken Who he dealt with, and tested Him, probing to find fault, to arouse lust and cause Him to sin, if it were possible.
and @JamOn Jesus isn't telling a 'white lie' by asking Philip this either, even though He knows the answer full well. it shows how that God asks questions, just like 'where are you?' to Adam & Woman in the garden, He knows the answer, but He is asking in order to demonstrate something of those He is asking. the woman who reached out to touch the hem of His robe, who in the crowd took any notice of her? but when He put the question - then everyone did.
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered
(Proverbs 21:13)
Christ was teaching. saving. opening the eyes of the blind. not for her. He could have turned to her and asked her directly if she touched Him.
and not for Him - Jesus Christ is never not God. He knows.
this is for the sake of everyone else that heard Him say it
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