Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God. We see this in Britain, Washington and Hong Kong. Beijing is starting to lose it's grip on China. Democracy is starting to spread like wildfire. People are beginning to taste real freedom.
But, the 1000 years are the binding of Satan, not the kingdom. Don't add to God's words in Revelation.
 
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So Daniel was wrong???
Daniel was right but Dispensationalists add a gap scripture says nothing about between the 69th and 70th weeks. They turn Jesus into Antichrist among other sacrilege.
 
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You did not answer the question.

I'll try for the 4th time. When did Jesus Christ sit on King David's Throne?

You cannot possibly be saying King David sat on his throne in Heaven are you?

Why do people think Scripture gives them the authority to have private interpretations? The Word SPECIFICALLY says Jesus will sit on King David's Throne. David's throne was NEVER in Heaven.
Christ is presently on David's Throne since his resurrection. But only the born again can see it. You look for a physical kingdom of sight. The true kingdom is of faith instead.
 

John146

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Not necessarily. Jesus did say, "I am the door." Symbolism using "like" or "as" is called "simile". There are many other forms of figurative language and figures of speech.

The better way is to take literally those kinds of writing that are literal in nature, such as narrative, and to take figuratively those forms which are figurative, such as poetry.
I believe Jesus is the door, literally. He is the entry way, the means of access for salvation.
 

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Christ is presently on David's Throne since his resurrection. But only the born again can see it. You look for a physical kingdom of sight. The true kingdom is of faith instead.
Proof Scripture please. I read that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Is that the throne of David?
 
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Proof Scripture please. I read that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Is that the throne of David?
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

The kingdom exists since Christ's first advent before the resurrection on the last day, while David sleeps with his fathers.

Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.

Peter says;

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:14–18 (KJV 1900)
 

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And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

The kingdom exists since Christ's first advent before the resurrection on the last day, while David sleeps with his fathers.

Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.

Peter says;

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:14–18 (KJV 1900)
You post scriptures with no proof. Those scriptures are pointed towards His second coming as King. Then you inserted your opinion.
 
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You post scriptures with no proof. Those scriptures are pointed towards His second coming as King. Then you inserted your opinion.
This is not true. Christ rules from David's throne while David remains buried before the resurrection on the last day. Read it again slowly. The rest of the passages confirm this. The kingdom is here. If you are truly born again you can see its effects everywhere through scripture.
 

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Christ is presently on David's Throne since his resurrection. But only the born again can see it. You look for a physical kingdom of sight. The true kingdom is of faith instead.
You made that up out of your own head! Nowhere in the Scripture you posted does it say King David’s throne ever was, or currently is, in Heaven.

Who gave you authority to stretch Scripture with your imagination like this?
 
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You made that up out of your own head! Nowhere in the Scripture you posted does it say King David’s throne ever was, or currently is, in Heaven.

Who gave you authority to stretch Scripture with your imagination like this?
If you agree with the Pharisees, do you have the same veil over your eyes when reading the OT?
 

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I believe Jesus is the door, literally. He is the entry way, the means of access for salvation.
Then you don't understand the nature of symbolic language.
 
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" "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 11:15) We are entering into the kingdom age so we are beginning to see the Kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of God.
Rev 11:15 as to its perspective is not under the Sun .

The kingdom is ageless that we have entered by faith. Not under the sun. The time period of corruption time keepers. (Sun and moon) day and night. The new no night.

We use the temporal things of this world to give us the unseen understanding.

There will never be a kingdom of God by which would could see through corrupted creatures that are suffering the living pangs of hell when we are free of these bodies of death . We have that power in us but it is not of us.

No heaven on this earth.But rather a living suffering in these bodies of death as the wrath of God revealed from heaven to mankind. .

Believers that have Christ are given a rest (sabbath) yoked with him in their good works they offer towards his name.

The foundation of most doctrine are found in the first couple chapters of Genesis. destroy the foundation s.how could we ever come to the unseen spiritual truth

Cain had no rest coming from the gospel as did Abel the first recorded martyr. Cain the restless wander said it was more that he could bear not having Christ. .

He hoped he would die.(believers that do have the gospel rest will kill me when they find). God put put a mark 666 (mark my word) to make sure he carried out the sentence till his last day.

The foundation of hell, a living suffering is found in in the book of Genesis.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. (one that Christ alone did bear. )Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4: 8-17

Spent his whole life on death roll.
 
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You did not answer the question.

I'll try for the 4th time. When did Jesus Christ sit on King David's Throne?

You cannot possibly be saying King David sat on his throne in Heaven are you?

Why do people think Scripture gives them the authority to have private interpretations? The Word SPECIFICALLY says Jesus will sit on King David's Throne. David's throne was NEVER in Heaven.
I would offer.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb

In the new heavens and earth there will be no temple. (Revelation 21)

Throne singular is a metaphor used in parables to represent the unseen power of God. The throne, not thrones, plural of the lamb and the father is one seat of authority as a work of one faith, one Spirit. The eternal throne signified by the throne of David the temporal .

We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Not in respect to what the eyes see the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal
 
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But, the 1000 years are the binding of Satan, not the kingdom. Don't add to God's words in Revelation.
The Bible says: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord" I said: "the Kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of God". I did not add anything. Maybe you are adding something and accusing me of what you are doing.
 
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The Bible says: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord" I said: "the Kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of God". I did not add anything. Maybe you are adding something and accusing me of what you are doing.
Jesus is the savior of the world. And it is a saved world in the New Heavens and Earth.
 

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If you agree with the Pharisees, do you have the same veil over your eyes when reading the OT?
The purple fox sleeps well on Mars, when banana seeds grow strong.

There. I have just made more sense than this post!

You have a huge penchant for just ignoring the questions posed on the issue you challenged people on.
 
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Daniel was right but Dispensationalists add a gap scripture says nothing about between the 69th and 70th weeks.
So you do not think there are 7 years between the end of the church age and the beginning of the Kingdom age?
 
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So you do not think there are 7 years between the end of the church age and the beginning of the Kingdom age?
If there are. you know something only the Father knows. The world will end 1007 years from the rapture.