Why Millennialism Remains.

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pottersclay

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Your spiritual kingdom goes right in the trash can along with the 70ad starting of the tribulation doctrine.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Actually Daniel saw it differently also. So let's go back to Daniel 2:35:

Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the Stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

What is this metaphorical stone, and how did it become a great mountain filling the whole earth? It is quite clear that this verse is speaking about the destruction of all the kingdoms of the world, and the establishment of the Kingdom of God (the Great Mountain) on earth under Christ (who is the Stone, and the Rock). Babylon (gold) was succeeded by Medo-Persia (silver), which was succeeded by Greece (brass), which was succeeded by Rome (iron).

Clay (mixed with iron) represents the nations of the former Roman empire ( all the countries surrounding the Mediterranean). But the wind did not carry them away in the first century. The Roman and then the Byzantine empires remained on earth until the 15th century. And then the Holy Roman Empire remained until the 19th century.

However, Daniel saw Christ establishing His future Kingdom on earth (which includes the Millennium) as follows (Dan 7:13,14) and this will happen after the Second Coming of Christ:
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Alongside your arrogance in assuming the perspective of Daniel himself, you have employed a literalistic interpretation of the dream that is clearly figurative. Is the head and shoulders of a statue the same thing as a kingdom? No. What about the arms and chest? No... and so on. Does the dream include a specific timeline when the whole earth will be filled? No. Your view has many assumptions that are not inherent to the text. Perhaps it's time to stop being so dogmatic about every little thing.
 
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Dave-L said:
Not when it ignores or contradicts scripture. Do you believe Jesus's Kingdom came in the time of the Roman Empire in the first century?
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Do you believe it came at that time? The spiritual kingdom of God?
 
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John146 said:
Then you must also believe as I do, that no one before then was in the kingdom of God. You place yourself in a corner.
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“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.” Luke 1:31–33 (KJV 1900)
 
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Dave-L said:
Not when it ignores or contradicts scripture. Do you believe Jesus's Kingdom came in the time of the Roman Empire in the first century?
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No his time was cut short.
Come-on David you seem like a smart man tell me why God would waste his time to map out the boundaries of the promised Land if it were spiritual.
Why is the gate in which the Messiah is to enter sealed up today??? With real mortar.
Why is the third temple being ready to be built?
The Lord will rule and reign on earth physically just as he said.
 
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pottersclay said:
No his time was cut short.
Come-on David you seem like a smart man tell me why God would waste his time to map out the boundaries of the promised Land if it were spiritual.
Why is the gate in which the Messiah is to enter sealed up today??? With real mortar.
Why is the third temple being ready to be built?
The Lord will rule and reign on earth physically just as he said.
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You cannot see the kingdom so you still look for a physical kingdom, and try to adjust scripture to make it work for you.
 
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Dave-L said:
“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.” Luke 1:31–33 (KJV 1900)
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Is that a yes?
 
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pottersclay

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Why all the bloodshed for this piece of real estate if it is spiritual. Why call his children back to the exact place where it began.
Why was Jesus crying over Jerusalem?
Why was Jerusalem made the capitol now why was it debated....which is another prophecy fulfilled.
 
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pottersclay

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Why are we to pray for the peace of Israel?
 
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pottersclay said:
Why all the bloodshed for this piece of real estate if it is spiritual. Why call his children back to the exact place where it began.
Why was Jesus crying over Jerusalem?
Why was Jerusalem made the capitol now why was it debated....which is another prophecy fulfilled.
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What Scripture says so?
 
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Dave-L said:
State the question as precisely as you can so I don't walk into a trap.
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Do you believe the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom, came at the time of Christ? If so, no one before that was in the kingdom of God because one must be born again.
 
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John146 said:
Do you believe the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom, came at the time of Christ? If so, no one before that was in the kingdom of God because one must be born again.
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The born again from Eden on are eternally in the kingdom. Only the born again in Israel were in the Kingdom. But Christ established this worldwide ruling kingdom at his birth. Reigning from David's Throne as promised to Mary by his birth.
 
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Dave-L said:
The born again from Eden on are eternally in the kingdom. Only the born again in Israel were in the Kingdom. But Christ established this worldwide ruling kingdom at his birth. Reigning from David's Throne as promised to Mary by his birth.
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Did David know he really didn’t have a physical throne in Jerusalem? Did David know he wasn’t the physical king over Israel?
 
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John146 said:
Did David know he really didn’t have a physical throne in Jerusalem? Did David know he wasn’t the physical king over Israel?
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“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)
 
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