Jesus Christ wants his believer to reach perfection and become completely sinless
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As soon as we were converted, God begins to transform us into the image of His Son. So the goal is to become Christlike, we will continue to sin everyday until we die then we will receive our perfect sinless glorified eternal bodies.
We inherit eternal life, the moment we're saved and God promised that nothing can take that from us but we still continue to sin while we're in these corrupt bodies pf death.
The enemies of God will try to deceive believers into thinking that they can lose their salvation, if they commit serious sin like murder or rape. But God has promised to forgive every sin, if we come before Him in repentance.
Some of the greatest men of God in the Bible were murders and adulterers, so don't let the enemy foll you into despair if you have sinned.
We inherit eternal life, the moment we're saved and God promised that nothing can take that from us but we still continue to sin while we're in these corrupt bodies pf death.
The enemies of God will try to deceive believers into thinking that they can lose their salvation, if they commit serious sin like murder or rape. But God has promised to forgive every sin, if we come before Him in repentance.
Some of the greatest men of God in the Bible were murders and adulterers, so don't let the enemy foll you into despair if you have sinned.
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Yeah I love how God just reaches for the bottom of the barrel to use the most while most would be reaching for the top and best. That just fascinates me and it's like all the self righteous who look down on us (sinners) vs God who is like watch what I can do reaches to the bottom and lifts them way higher than the barrel itself.
Oh father.. your such a showoff lol
Oh father.. your such a showoff lol
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I love God's sense of humor, He seems to take pleasure in using weak vessels to put to shame the mighty kings of the world. Even these microscopic soldiers of His, known as the Corona virus have humbled powerful rulers.
If He's able to use microscopic things to bring the world to it's knees, then we can imagine what would happen if He bought out His big guns. Yet so many are still mocking God, it's like they're asking for trouble.
If He's able to use microscopic things to bring the world to it's knees, then we can imagine what would happen if He bought out His big guns. Yet so many are still mocking God, it's like they're asking for trouble.
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1 CORINTHIANS 15.34
34 Awake to righteousness, and SIN NOT; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
EPHESIANS 4.26
26 Be ye angry, and SIN NOT: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
GALATIANS 6.1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
JAMES 5.15,20
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 JOHN 2.1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 JOHN 5.16
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 JOHN 5.18
18 We know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
BETTER TRANSLATION
1 JOHN 5.18
18 We know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one approach him not.
EPHESIANS 4.11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
PHILIPPIANS 3.15
15 Let us therefore, as many as be PERFECT, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
COLOSSIANS 1.28
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man PERFECT in Christ Jesus:
2 TIMOTHY 3.17
17 That the man of God may be PERFECT, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 CORINTHIANS 13.7
7 Now I pray to God that ye DO NO evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
34 Awake to righteousness, and SIN NOT; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
EPHESIANS 4.26
26 Be ye angry, and SIN NOT: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
GALATIANS 6.1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
JAMES 5.15,20
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 JOHN 2.1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 JOHN 5.16
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 JOHN 5.18
18 We know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
BETTER TRANSLATION
1 JOHN 5.18
18 We know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one approach him not.
EPHESIANS 4.11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
PHILIPPIANS 3.15
15 Let us therefore, as many as be PERFECT, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
COLOSSIANS 1.28
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man PERFECT in Christ Jesus:
2 TIMOTHY 3.17
17 That the man of God may be PERFECT, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 CORINTHIANS 13.7
7 Now I pray to God that ye DO NO evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
They will not be humbled because all they have known in their lives is power and authority they have not known weakness and thus cannot understand or recognize what true strength is.
Father on the other hand does, there is a reason Jesus won the war on sin with humility and the form of a gentle lamb it is because weakness is strength. Only those who have known weakness and suffering can understand the hardships of it and show understanding and humility in their ways, only they know what it is is like to made humble by these things and thus because they lack the arrogance and blindness of those in power they can see what others cannot.
I am a perfect example of this, because of my life all I have known is weakness and suffering, my body and mind are damaged from my past and I can never no matter how much I try live a life like a normal person it is difficult for me to do sinple tasks on my own I can never live on my own and will always need help in my daily endeavors I can never drive and will always know limitation. In every sense of the word I am weak I was not built to survive in this world on my own. However I do not mention this to boast of myself rather I am a living testimony of how God uses the weak to show his strength because while I was indeed made weak in the ways of the world he made me strong in his.
For every way I am slow in learning and growing in this world even from the first day I was saved I grew in him and in love at an amazing rate not that I can take any credit but it while every now and then it can be overwhelming and bring me to shattered tears and frustration I thank God for my weakness and suffering in life because I saw what real strength is and what love really is when I saw on him on the cross
Father on the other hand does, there is a reason Jesus won the war on sin with humility and the form of a gentle lamb it is because weakness is strength. Only those who have known weakness and suffering can understand the hardships of it and show understanding and humility in their ways, only they know what it is is like to made humble by these things and thus because they lack the arrogance and blindness of those in power they can see what others cannot.
I am a perfect example of this, because of my life all I have known is weakness and suffering, my body and mind are damaged from my past and I can never no matter how much I try live a life like a normal person it is difficult for me to do sinple tasks on my own I can never live on my own and will always need help in my daily endeavors I can never drive and will always know limitation. In every sense of the word I am weak I was not built to survive in this world on my own. However I do not mention this to boast of myself rather I am a living testimony of how God uses the weak to show his strength because while I was indeed made weak in the ways of the world he made me strong in his.
For every way I am slow in learning and growing in this world even from the first day I was saved I grew in him and in love at an amazing rate not that I can take any credit but it while every now and then it can be overwhelming and bring me to shattered tears and frustration I thank God for my weakness and suffering in life because I saw what real strength is and what love really is when I saw on him on the cross
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If,really,I am a perfect believer...it doesn't belong to me...to say that...
whether I am perfect or not...LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST will judge it ...
the perfect believer,is truly humble in front of his Lord Jesus Christ...
he considers himself...not to be a perfect believer...
every day...many times per day...prays to his SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST...for mercy and forgiveness...
even if he did not commit a sin today...
he thinks for himself...that...
Jesus Christ...certainly sees at him...spiritual ugliness...sin...evil...lack of goodness and love...
because Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH PERFECT AND HOLY...
but...
every believer...must know...that...
his Lord Jesus Christ...wants him...to become always...more and more perfect...
that means...he must reject his sins...become sinless...with works of Love and Gospels...
If a believer says for himself...that he is a perfect believer...
this man... is either,a very deceived believer...or is not a true believer...
these men ... usually ...
they commit sins ...
and they don't want to stop committing the sins they commit ...
and moreover ... either they consider them inevitable sins ... or as non-sins ...
my answer to your question is ...
I'm not a perfect believer...I'm not a sinless believer...
but...
I want to become...a perfect believer...a sinless believer...THIS IS THE WILL OF JESUS CHRIST...
for this reason...
Always, I pray to the Lord JESUS CHRIST...for mercy and forgiveness...for my sins...that...He sees me doing...
and to give me...always...THE VICTORY against all my sins...to become (in this life)...a perfect believer...a king and a winner...against... all my sins and the sins of the world...
and to make me...able...
to do....
more and more ... works of Love and of Gospel ...
I ask my Lord Jesus Christ to deliver me from sin...through His Truth...
whether I am perfect or not...LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST will judge it ...
the perfect believer,is truly humble in front of his Lord Jesus Christ...
he considers himself...not to be a perfect believer...
every day...many times per day...prays to his SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST...for mercy and forgiveness...
even if he did not commit a sin today...
he thinks for himself...that...
Jesus Christ...certainly sees at him...spiritual ugliness...sin...evil...lack of goodness and love...
because Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH PERFECT AND HOLY...
but...
every believer...must know...that...
his Lord Jesus Christ...wants him...to become always...more and more perfect...
that means...he must reject his sins...become sinless...with works of Love and Gospels...
If a believer says for himself...that he is a perfect believer...
this man... is either,a very deceived believer...or is not a true believer...
these men ... usually ...
they commit sins ...
and they don't want to stop committing the sins they commit ...
and moreover ... either they consider them inevitable sins ... or as non-sins ...
my answer to your question is ...
I'm not a perfect believer...I'm not a sinless believer...
but...
I want to become...a perfect believer...a sinless believer...THIS IS THE WILL OF JESUS CHRIST...
for this reason...
Always, I pray to the Lord JESUS CHRIST...for mercy and forgiveness...for my sins...that...He sees me doing...
and to give me...always...THE VICTORY against all my sins...to become (in this life)...a perfect believer...a king and a winner...against... all my sins and the sins of the world...
and to make me...able...
to do....
more and more ... works of Love and of Gospel ...
I ask my Lord Jesus Christ to deliver me from sin...through His Truth...
You need to be more careful how you word things and also be more clear of the intetntions of your words because whether you realize it or not the way you word things it makes it seem as if your actually saying your perfect or at the very least that you are calling us sinners. Also I wanted to speak to you about this
1 CORINTHIANS 15.34
34 Awake to righteousness, and SIN NOT; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
there is a reason we have to be aware of the verses we post because it seems as if you just did a search of scripture about not sinning and posted it without understanding the context or how it is used. This scripture is about not sinning but also makes it seem like your attacking someone as if saying you have the knoweldge of God and you speak this to our shame. Now I am assuming this was not youer intention but you have to consider the verse you use because they can come across as something else.
Also while I agree we should strive for perfection and I applaud your constant seeking for his grace I think your misunderstanding. Firstly you will never become perfect or sinless as long as you live in this human body it is the major flaw of being human but the point is that in our imperfection his is made bright. SEcond is this part here
even if he did not commit a sin today...
he thinks for himself...that...
Jesus Christ...certainly sees at him...spiritual ugliness...sin...evil...lack of goodness and love.. Your wrong about this it is not how he sees you at all and he never will. You can strive for perfection but all the effort and forgive you ask for in the world will not do it. If anything it will only hinder you because you can become to fixated on it and forget that it is not by your own doing you are made perfect and righteous, it is not the purposeful effort to not sin aslthough it is to be applauded and it is not by any amount of forgiveness you ask it is solely by his blood.
In his eyes you are sinless and perfect and righteous, yes we still sin and fall down however we rest in his grace and love and so his view of us never changes. Now granted this is by no means a reason to do as we please and of course anyone who understands and is grateful for his love and grace never would but instead of being so fixated on sin and being perfect and sinless instead seek after his heart and let the bond and relationship with him be your hearts first and main goal because when we do this everything else will follow
1 CORINTHIANS 15.34
34 Awake to righteousness, and SIN NOT; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
there is a reason we have to be aware of the verses we post because it seems as if you just did a search of scripture about not sinning and posted it without understanding the context or how it is used. This scripture is about not sinning but also makes it seem like your attacking someone as if saying you have the knoweldge of God and you speak this to our shame. Now I am assuming this was not youer intention but you have to consider the verse you use because they can come across as something else.
Also while I agree we should strive for perfection and I applaud your constant seeking for his grace I think your misunderstanding. Firstly you will never become perfect or sinless as long as you live in this human body it is the major flaw of being human but the point is that in our imperfection his is made bright. SEcond is this part here
even if he did not commit a sin today...
he thinks for himself...that...
Jesus Christ...certainly sees at him...spiritual ugliness...sin...evil...lack of goodness and love.. Your wrong about this it is not how he sees you at all and he never will. You can strive for perfection but all the effort and forgive you ask for in the world will not do it. If anything it will only hinder you because you can become to fixated on it and forget that it is not by your own doing you are made perfect and righteous, it is not the purposeful effort to not sin aslthough it is to be applauded and it is not by any amount of forgiveness you ask it is solely by his blood.
In his eyes you are sinless and perfect and righteous, yes we still sin and fall down however we rest in his grace and love and so his view of us never changes. Now granted this is by no means a reason to do as we please and of course anyone who understands and is grateful for his love and grace never would but instead of being so fixated on sin and being perfect and sinless instead seek after his heart and let the bond and relationship with him be your hearts first and main goal because when we do this everything else will follow
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The only way to have perfection is to have Christ’s perfection imputed to you through believing the gospel.
Romans 4:24-25: But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The flesh will not be perfected ... He and the righteous He brings living within the believer is the perfection we learn to live outwardly.
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The Bible says that a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.
And God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able to handle, and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear, which a saint will not be tempted as hard as the world.
So if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin.
So there is no excuse.
Which some people have a form of godliness, but deny being led of the Spirit, from such turn away, and they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which they enjoy sin and believe they still have salvation, and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
Which the Lord knows them that are His having this seal, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
And awake to righteousness, and sin not, but some do not have the knowledge of God.
And if a person does not continue in the goodness of God they will be cut off, and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sins.
But we are still in the flesh and have the capability to sin if we want to sin, but those with the Spirit will repent, and get rid of the sin and keep moving forward having the right attitude that they are not right with God if they hold unto sin, which God said it is our sins that separate us from Him.
Where people that do not have the Spirit will hold unto sin, and sin with whatever sin they enjoy, and believe they still have salvation.
Which we grow in Christ, which when we first were saved we might of enjoyed sin for a while even though we toned it down until we gave it up, and then we might sin if we want but we get rid of it, where some did not give up the sin.
But we can abstain from sin if we want and there is no excuse for God said if you are led of the Spirit you will not sin for how can you when the Spirit is in charge and not your flesh.
But we are not sinless, nor can we be sinless while in the flesh, although we can abstain from sin.
For in the flesh dwells no good thing, and we are tempted, and as long as we are tempted then we will not be sinless because of that battle between the Spirit and flesh, and we have the capability to sin if we want, and the flesh does want to sin.
For Paul said that when he does good, evil is still present with him, for there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, so with the mind he serves Christ, but with the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, and it is a part of him.
For a sinless life does not have a battle in them between good and evil, nor does it have the ability to sin, for all they see is good and no evil, and they are not tempted to sin, for the flesh is still trying to control a saint that is in the world.
Jesus was the only one who is sinless, and even though He was tempted there was no way He could sin for He was always led of the Spirit for the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, and the express image of God, and Jesus always did good and could not do evil, so He is the only human that could be sinless on earth.
Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest person born of women for John had the Spirit from the womb, not to save him but to give him power to live a life that was right before God to prepare the way for Jesus, but the person who is the least in the kingdom of God is greater than John the Baptist.
For we are only sinless when we put off the flesh, for then there is no battle between good and evil, and the saints do not have the capability to sin, and all they see is good and not evil, for the choice is gone, and all sin resides in the flesh that is gone.
If we are led by the Spirit we can abstain from sin, and many people that have received the Spirit have sinned, but they get rid of it and keep moving forward, but the main thing is they have the right attitude that they cannot be right with God if they have sin in their life, so they get rid of it, and the Spirit convicts them to get rid of it.
And all sin can be forgiven even if you live in sin for a year, which some may take that chance, but it can still be forgiven.
Which the big thing is to have the right attitude that you cannot hold unto sin and be right with God, and the Spirit will not lead a person that does not hate sin, and does not want sin, for then they want to be led of the flesh.
And God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able to handle, and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear, which a saint will not be tempted as hard as the world.
So if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin.
So there is no excuse.
Which some people have a form of godliness, but deny being led of the Spirit, from such turn away, and they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which they enjoy sin and believe they still have salvation, and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
Which the Lord knows them that are His having this seal, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
And awake to righteousness, and sin not, but some do not have the knowledge of God.
And if a person does not continue in the goodness of God they will be cut off, and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sins.
But we are still in the flesh and have the capability to sin if we want to sin, but those with the Spirit will repent, and get rid of the sin and keep moving forward having the right attitude that they are not right with God if they hold unto sin, which God said it is our sins that separate us from Him.
Where people that do not have the Spirit will hold unto sin, and sin with whatever sin they enjoy, and believe they still have salvation.
Which we grow in Christ, which when we first were saved we might of enjoyed sin for a while even though we toned it down until we gave it up, and then we might sin if we want but we get rid of it, where some did not give up the sin.
But we can abstain from sin if we want and there is no excuse for God said if you are led of the Spirit you will not sin for how can you when the Spirit is in charge and not your flesh.
But we are not sinless, nor can we be sinless while in the flesh, although we can abstain from sin.
For in the flesh dwells no good thing, and we are tempted, and as long as we are tempted then we will not be sinless because of that battle between the Spirit and flesh, and we have the capability to sin if we want, and the flesh does want to sin.
For Paul said that when he does good, evil is still present with him, for there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, so with the mind he serves Christ, but with the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, and it is a part of him.
For a sinless life does not have a battle in them between good and evil, nor does it have the ability to sin, for all they see is good and no evil, and they are not tempted to sin, for the flesh is still trying to control a saint that is in the world.
Jesus was the only one who is sinless, and even though He was tempted there was no way He could sin for He was always led of the Spirit for the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, and the express image of God, and Jesus always did good and could not do evil, so He is the only human that could be sinless on earth.
Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest person born of women for John had the Spirit from the womb, not to save him but to give him power to live a life that was right before God to prepare the way for Jesus, but the person who is the least in the kingdom of God is greater than John the Baptist.
For we are only sinless when we put off the flesh, for then there is no battle between good and evil, and the saints do not have the capability to sin, and all they see is good and not evil, for the choice is gone, and all sin resides in the flesh that is gone.
If we are led by the Spirit we can abstain from sin, and many people that have received the Spirit have sinned, but they get rid of it and keep moving forward, but the main thing is they have the right attitude that they cannot be right with God if they have sin in their life, so they get rid of it, and the Spirit convicts them to get rid of it.
And all sin can be forgiven even if you live in sin for a year, which some may take that chance, but it can still be forgiven.
Which the big thing is to have the right attitude that you cannot hold unto sin and be right with God, and the Spirit will not lead a person that does not hate sin, and does not want sin, for then they want to be led of the flesh.
Exactly well said
By all means he could force us to do his will and force us to love him but he treasures a willing child not a controlled one. After all what good is it if to force puppets to do your will and to love you if there is so much more value and beauty in a child who loves you and follows you willingly?
By all means he could force us to do his will and force us to love him but he treasures a willing child not a controlled one. After all what good is it if to force puppets to do your will and to love you if there is so much more value and beauty in a child who loves you and follows you willingly?
If a person programs their computer to say I love you when they start it up does the computer really love them.
If we do not have a choice we would say we love God for we could see no other alternative which is not true love.
If we did not have a choice then it would all come from God and not us, so how is our faith real, and our confession of Christ real, and our hope real.
The greatest love of all would not want robotic love, which we would not think that our computer saying I love you, or a robot saying I love you is real love.