This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[Absolutely]

No, your conclusion is wrong. People follow recommendations because of what happened in Italy.
Before Italy, everyone was saying, "'tis nothing but a flu", and some kept believing that for a while after, as well.
As powerful as media are, they are still not able to build Potemkin villages for all of us...
Many people have friends and family in Italy, and in this age of social media the media can't cover up things effectively anymore like they could. So people following recommendations doesn't mean anyone suddenly trusts the media.

Italy ,at the start,wanted to show the Chinese what good sports they were and they had "hug a Chinese day"
We do not need the country shut down PREEMPTIVELY.

The virus attacks the old and feeble.
We can have an open country and still protect the vulnerable.

Are you aware that 99% get over it ?
About 80% of the old survive it.
No shutdown needed at all

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Italy ,at the start,wanted to show the Chinese what good sports they were and they had "hug a Chinese day"
We do not need the country shut down PREEMPTIVELY.

The virus attacks the old and feeble.
We can have an open country and still protect the vulnerable.

Are you aware that 99% get over it ?
About 80% of the old survive it.
No shutdown needed at all

We have a 25% to 40% of people in nursing homes dying if there is an outbreak. The only reason more people esp. older people elsewhere are not dying yet is because they have not been infected, at this rate more and more people will get infected since it spreads easily. Plus we know a lot of people are unhealthy and have unhealthy habits, they are more at risk. Most people test negative with the test, however that really doesn't mean anything. They maybe haven't been exposed, or they might test positive later. At this rate basically everyone will lose a loved one or have them hospitalized at some point. I pray I am wrong.

 

[tourist]

Once again, let us be inclusive and accept that there is no one truth. Most churches disagree on so many things.

After you eliminate the impossible, what ever remains, however improbably must be the truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

 

[tourist]

Italy ,at the start,wanted to show the Chinese what good sports they were and they had "hug a Chinese day"
We do not need the country shut down PREEMPTIVELY.

The virus attacks the old and feeble.
We can have an open country and still protect the vulnerable.

Are you aware that 99% get over it ?
About 80% of the old survive it.
No shutdown needed at all

I concur. The entire economy of the US was seriously weakened. The financial impact on some families may take years to recover, if at all. The common flu strain each year, this year included, results in vast amounts of confirmed cases and subsequent deaths far surpassing the coronavirus. Like the coronavirus, mostly the elderly in poor health or those with suppressed immune systems are impacted.

The US does not shut down the entire country each year because of the current flu strain but has done so for the coronavirus, wrecking havoc on businesses which employee the workers who pay the tax. The motto of the coronavirus should be 'save a life, destroy a family'. It political terms it does not have to make sense. In practical terms it makes even less sense.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

We have a 25% to 40% of people in nursing homes dying if there is an outbreak. The only reason more people esp. older people elsewhere are not dying yet is because they have not been infected, at this rate more and more people will get infected since it spreads easily. Plus we know a lot of people are unhealthy and have unhealthy habits, they are more at risk. Most people test negative with the test, however that really doesn't mean anything. They maybe haven't been exposed, or they might test positive later. At this rate basically everyone will lose a loved one or have them hospitalized at some point. I pray I am wrong.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/corona...0200415-smiuqz52cnfqpotkmvlli5oova-story.html

"It surpasses the total at Pleasant View Nursing Home in Carroll County, where 82 residents and 39 staff members have tested positive for COVID-19. Twenty-four Pleasant View residents have died."
To support my point, 24 of the 82 infected died, more than a quarter.

 

[gb9]

We have a 25% to 40% of people in nursing homes dying if there is an outbreak. The only reason more people esp. older people elsewhere are not dying yet is because they have not been infected, at this rate more and more people will get infected since it spreads easily. Plus we know a lot of people are unhealthy and have unhealthy habits, they are more at risk. Most people test negative with the test, however that really doesn't mean anything. They maybe haven't been exposed, or they might test positive later. At this rate basically everyone will lose a loved one or have them hospitalized at some point. I pray I am wrong.

the nation of India. one of the highest population densities on the planet.
the virus, if it is contagious as the media says, it should be tearing through the population like a hot knife through butter.

but, it is not.
why?

 

[TheIndianGirl]

the nation of India. one of the highest population densities on the planet.
the virus, if it is contagious as the media says, it should be tearing through the population like a hot knife through butter.

but, it is not.
why?

Maybe the Chinese and the Italians haven't traveled to India? Not everyone is exposed, but it is a matter of time. None of the countries who were seemingly doing well such as S. Korea and Singapore are doing well. This virus also has a long incubation period, 14 days, so the spread is slow but steady. I also doubt India has good testing capabilities.

 

[EleventhHour]

I concur. The entire economy of the US was seriously weakened. The financial impact on some families may take years to recover, if at all. The common flu strain each year, this year included, results in vast amounts of confirmed cases and subsequent deaths far surpassing the coronavirus. Like the coronavirus, mostly the elderly in poor health or those with suppressed immune systems are impacted.

The US does not shut down the entire country each year because of the current flu strain but has done so for the coronavirus, wrecking havoc on businesses which employee the workers who pay the tax. The motto of the coronavirus should be 'save a life, destroy a family'. It political terms it does not have to make sense. In practical terms it makes even less sense.

Have you ever considered the economic impact of a novel virus spreading from person to person in a country unchecked?

I wonder of the societal impact when a sizable number of police/paramedics/PSWs do not show up to work?
I wonder if there would be lawlessness and looting.
I wonder how the economy fares when people are dropping dead in the street like in China and Italy for months on end, because people are spreading the virus on a daily basis and the hospitals are full.

I wonder how the health care system (which is an economy) does when doctors and nurses die from the virus because they are overworked and fatigued thereby giving the virus a chance to do more damage in their bodies.

I wonder how an economy fares when small and medium sized business store owners die leaving the employees without jobs?

I wonder how the economy does when managers and supervisors that perhaps have diabetes or high blood pressure die because the virus is moving from person to person unchecked.
I wonder how the economy fares when people are interacting and there is virus making the rounds in factories and a huge section becomes sick some die.

I wonder how the economy fares when the best and the brightest minds are struck down because a virus is left unchecked and could be mutating making the second wave worse then the first like during 1918.

I wonder how the economy fares when even people who have recovered still have weakened lungs or weakened kidneys and they can no longer work.

Yup I just wonder sometimes.. I really do.

 

[EleventhHour]

I concur. The entire economy of the US was seriously weakened. The financial impact on some families may take years to recover, if at all. The common flu strain each year, this year included, results in vast amounts of confirmed cases and subsequent deaths far surpassing the coronavirus. Like the coronavirus, mostly the elderly in poor health or those with suppressed immune systems are impacted.

The US does not shut down the entire country each year because of the current flu strain but has done so for the coronavirus, wrecking havoc on businesses which employee the workers who pay the tax. The motto of the coronavirus should be 'save a life, destroy a family'. It political terms it does not have to make sense. In practical terms it makes even less sense.

I also wonder how the economy will fare when many people start calling in sick on a regular basis because they are afraid to go to work,

knowing that if they did go to work, became sick to the extent of needing hospitalization there is a good chance with limited resources

(especially nurses) they may not make it out alive?

 

[Gregoryp]

Yes you can, but you would not do it, right? Why not?

because my God has more value than a week of depravity, thats why. I have the holy spirit , so therefore I am a vessel of Jesus Christ. Taking Jesus to a pole dancing establishment would be abhorrent to him and me.

 

[Gregoryp]

Italy ,at the start,wanted to show the Chinese what good sports they were and they had "hug a Chinese day"
We do not need the country shut down PREEMPTIVELY.

The virus attacks the old and feeble.
We can have an open country and still protect the vulnerable.

Are you aware that 99% get over it ?
About 80% of the old survive it.
No shutdown needed at all

these figures should tell you all you need to know. And note The Bronx and Queens have a very high rate of infection. I was told its because of the lower socio economic status there, and the majority wouldn't have health insurance or eat well.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

these figures should tell you all you need to know. And note The Bronx and Queens have a very high rate of infection. I was told its because of the lower socio economic status View attachment 214739 there, and the majority wouldn't have health insurance or eat well.

I don't get when people say this virus only affects people with underlying conditions, as though they can breathe a sigh of relief. I'm sure near 100% of all people either have an underlying condition or have family with one of the above listed underlying condition.

 

[Gregoryp]

I don't get when people say this virus only affects people with underlying conditions, as though they can breathe a sigh of relief. I'm sure near 100% of all people either have an underlying condition or have family with one of the above listed underlying condition.

my point is, you don't shut down an entire world economy over a flu virus, and when the vast majority of people who do die from it are already badly ill. There has to be another agenda .

 

[TheIndianGirl]

my point is, you don't shut down an entire world economy over a flu virus, and when the vast majority of people who do die from it are already badly ill. There has to be another agenda .

I agree there is a political agenda, and the left will try to use this virus or any other opportunity to get Trump out of office. I also feel that the right wants to start the economy asap and are ok with people dying as long as Trump wins. Whatever the reason, we have not reached the downward slope and we are in no shape or form to start going to sporting events, the beach, large gatherings etc. Also the economy is not going to start right away, people are going to limit what they do which means less jobs, etc. I'm going to stop the gym, restaurants, movies, going to the mall, and limit grocery shopping as an example. Also this is not a simple flu virus, people with the flu can still go to work and no one dies. The work place does not need to be closed to be sanitized (this happened at my work and it was closed to be sanitized). With this virus, a whole group becomes infected (just as the nursing homes or the college students who went on spring break) and become sick (cough, fever, shortness of breath, very few are asymptomatic) and are bedbound/quarantined for 14 days at least. Businesses can't function this way.

 

[Angela53510]

My theory is that regardless of what the US gov't is doing or not, or trying to do, that this pandemic is going to kill a lot of people. If people don't continue to self isolate, we will get a second wave, like the Spanish Influenza in 1918-19.

Read about the Spanish Influenza before you make up your minds. The big issue with that terrible flu that killed millions, was the gov't lied to them. They told everyone to wear a mask and continue as normal. Soldiers in army camps were hit particularly badly. More people died of the Spanish Influenza than were killed in WWI. Many of the soldiers who fought in WWI survived the war and died of the flu. There weren't enough people to work in the docks or the trains. The country ground to a stand still. Hundreds of thousands of people died of starvation, because no one bothered to feed them!

The thing about COVID-19, is it is asymptomatic and takes days to know you have it, meanwhile you could have shed the virus on literally hundreds of people. Plus, there is no herd immunity at all, so anyone can get it! Some people won't be bad, yes! But it will continue to make the rounds killing people, unfortunately. Especially if everyone rushes back to work, long before the pandemic is over!

 

[Absolutely]

We have a 25% to 40% of people in nursing homes dying if there is an outbreak. The only reason more people esp. older people elsewhere are not dying yet is because they have not been infected, at this rate more and more people will get infected since it spreads easily. Plus we know a lot of people are unhealthy and have unhealthy habits, they are more at risk. Most people test negative with the test, however that really doesn't mean anything. They maybe haven't been exposed, or they might test positive later. At this rate basically everyone will lose a loved one or have them hospitalized at some point. I pray I am wrong.

That would be millions dying.
quarantine those at risk,not healthy people

 

[TheIndianGirl]

My theory is that regardless of what the US gov't is doing or not, or trying to do, that this pandemic is going to kill a lot of people.

Yes, I agree. But I think delaying as much possible means the closer we are to a workable treatment or vaccine saves lives. Waiting for a vaccine is not practical I agree. However, right now we don't even have a standard treatment. At least the NIH should come forth with a standard treatment first.

 

[Absolutely]

I agree there is a political agenda, and the left will try to use this virus or any other opportunity to get Trump out of office. I also feel that the right wants to start the economy asap and are ok with people dying as long as Trump wins. Whatever the reason, we have not reached the downward slope and we are in no shape or form to start going to sporting events, the beach, large gatherings etc. Also the economy is not going to start right away, people are going to limit what they do which means less jobs, etc. I'm going to stop the gym, restaurants, movies, going to the mall, and limit grocery shopping as an example. Also this is not a simple flu virus, people with the flu can still go to work and no one dies. The work place does not need to be closed to be sanitized (this happened at my work and it was closed to be sanitized). With this virus, a whole group becomes infected (just as the nursing homes or the college students who went on spring break) and become sick (cough, fever, shortness of breath, very few are asymptomatic) and are bedbound/quarantined for 14 days at least. Businesses can't function this way.

I also feel that the right wants to start the economy asap and are ok with people dying as long as Trump wins.

Uh,no nobody wants reckless decisions.

You want 100% insurance nobody will die?????

Maybe move to antartica?

Also this is not a simple flu virus, people with the flu can still go to work and no one dies

Not true. Some construction workers got it in january. They kept working and nobody could diagnose their illness. They were sick,still working and all recovered.

See ,this is the thing...you have been programmed into believing if you get it ,you die.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes, I agree. But I think delaying as much possible means the closer we are to a workable treatment or vaccine saves lives. Waiting for a vaccine is not practical I agree. However, right now we don't even have a standard treatment. At least the NIH should come forth with a standard treatment first.

HUH?
hydroxychloroquine is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE
EXTREMELY

 

[TheIndianGirl]

HUH?
hydroxychloroquine is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE
EXTREMELY

I agree HCQ appears to be very effective. However a lot of places are not allowed to use it except in extreme severe cases, and they are going rogue. For example, governors of NY and VA do not like this medicine so this is not being used widely in these states at least. The only way to use this drug on a wide basis is if the NIH says so, but first they have to go through the normal process and to a study, etc.

So even if we want HCQ, we won't get it.