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PROVIDE PRECISE DOCUMENTATION FROM GOD'S WORD FOR ALL THE ABOVE.
What a CIRCUS.
One false prophet ordering another around.
This is the state of affairs in the world of Charismatic Chaos.
The OP "prophet" is still recognized as legitimate by the prophetess (who apparently has authority over the OP), but is COMMANDED to cease and desist from publically waving the TITLE prophet around, since it might cause the unlearned unwashed masses to "stumble".
and of course, there's that OH SO AUTHORITATIVE reason why: "L-O-V-E".
It's ok to blaspheme and dupe people, but please do with luuuuv. Isn't that fuzzy wuzzy?
Why should it be enough for him? it's not enough for you.
That's EXACTLY what the purpose of a "modern day prophet or prophetess" is!
They are not ordained by Christ, since our foundation has already been laid.
Since they are not ordained by Christ (every TRUE christian knows this), there's only one other option.
And that is their purpose.
[SIZE=+2]Rick Joyner Joins The Knights of Malta[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Several years ago, a leading prophet of the Charismatic movement envisioned that a "veritable revolution" in the earth would "radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity." Rick Joyner spoke of "the dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works" as "a positive and exhilarating experience for the Lord's faithful servants." The revolutionaries called to this work would be "a great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles...raised up with the spirit of Phineas."[/SIZE]
Review of The Final Quest
YAWN.
Yes. please do.
What a CIRCUS.
One false prophet ordering another around.
This is the state of affairs in the world of Charismatic Chaos.
The OP "prophet" is still recognized as legitimate by the prophetess (who apparently has authority over the OP), but is COMMANDED to cease and desist from publically waving the TITLE prophet around, since it might cause the unlearned unwashed masses to "stumble".
and of course, there's that OH SO AUTHORITATIVE reason why: "L-O-V-E".
It's ok to blaspheme and dupe people, but please do with luuuuv. Isn't that fuzzy wuzzy?
Why should it be enough for him? it's not enough for you.
That's EXACTLY what the purpose of a "modern day prophet or prophetess" is!
They are not ordained by Christ, since our foundation has already been laid.
Since they are not ordained by Christ (every TRUE christian knows this), there's only one other option.
And that is their purpose.
[SIZE=+2]Rick Joyner Joins The Knights of Malta[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Several years ago, a leading prophet of the Charismatic movement envisioned that a "veritable revolution" in the earth would "radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity." Rick Joyner spoke of "the dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works" as "a positive and exhilarating experience for the Lord's faithful servants." The revolutionaries called to this work would be "a great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles...raised up with the spirit of Phineas."[/SIZE]
Review of The Final Quest
YAWN.
Yes. please do.
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When you attack God's Word, accuse the true church, and channel some spirit calling itself Jesus, you are attacking us.
Do you think we will shrink from this?
I WON'T. EVER.
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Do you think we will shrink from this?
I WON'T. EVER.
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
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Every cult in the world teaches this.
Let go and let God.
Check your brains at the door.
Have heart knowledge not head knowledge.
AD NAUSEUM.
But, the change agents who brought us this movement have used very sosphisticated techniques, they've been at it a long time. The military uses this method...in fact....oh well....one would really have to LOVE THE TRUTH to want to know what's happened.
Let go and let God.
Check your brains at the door.
Have heart knowledge not head knowledge.
AD NAUSEUM.
But, the change agents who brought us this movement have used very sosphisticated techniques, they've been at it a long time. The military uses this method...in fact....oh well....one would really have to LOVE THE TRUTH to want to know what's happened.
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ah poor Paulnsilas: i put you on ignore but God told me it was not a good idea since He still claimed you as one of HIS. If it helps you to understand me better I will have to apologize for experimenting on the site. I was testing something.
God told me NOT to use the words "modern day prophets and prophetess" but instead use "child of God" but I said, VW thinks his a prophet is he wrong?
and was given permission by the Holy Spirit to post it and see what happened.
I'm sorry you were caught up in the trap but it doesn't matter what I call myself as long as I do God's will that is more important and your reaction and others have shown me that it is more important to GLORIFY GOD then any title. you can still do the work with out the name, and DOING GOD's WORK is more important than pride.
So reread the statement without the words you find so offensive and you will see that it IS IN LINE with the BIBLE:
This is for those who believe that the Word of God is complete and the Bible is a sword that can cut through all lies. This is for those who are born again in the HOLY SPIRIT and have been blessed (not cursed) with the gift of prophecy, the ability to discern between good and evil spirits and the shield of faith and love needed to be a CHILD OF GOD.
This is for my brothers and sisters out there fighting the good fight to spread the Gospel to the lost, the sick, the weak, the hungry. Give them food that will not perish and if they eat of it they will never be hungry or thirsty again. Speak BOLDLY the words GOD places in your heart and do NOT listen to the whisperings of darkness that say you are unworthy. We are all unworthy, but it is not us that speaks but the HOLY SPIRIT through us that utters words of love, encouragement and REBUKE. we are but the instrument God uses to warn His people of their sin and how they error. Therefore REMEMBER HIS words for I am sure they have been spoken in your hearts as they have been spoken into mine, for the Holy Spirit speaks ONE Truth to all His CHILDREN:
"My child the world will not be judged by YOUR actions but by how they RESPOND to YOU and the MESSAGE I GIVE you to SPEAK, for you do not speak on your own authority but upon MINE. For you are MY CHILD and I am your GOD. So abide in MY WORDS and be at peace."
In case you haven't figured it out about ME, I believe that God's WORDS are the HOLY BIBLE.
Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment.
Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.
I believe ALL of GOD's CHILDREN should speak the WORDS of GOD into people's lives.
God told me NOT to use the words "modern day prophets and prophetess" but instead use "child of God" but I said, VW thinks his a prophet is he wrong?
and was given permission by the Holy Spirit to post it and see what happened.
I'm sorry you were caught up in the trap but it doesn't matter what I call myself as long as I do God's will that is more important and your reaction and others have shown me that it is more important to GLORIFY GOD then any title. you can still do the work with out the name, and DOING GOD's WORK is more important than pride.
So reread the statement without the words you find so offensive and you will see that it IS IN LINE with the BIBLE:
This is for those who believe that the Word of God is complete and the Bible is a sword that can cut through all lies. This is for those who are born again in the HOLY SPIRIT and have been blessed (not cursed) with the gift of prophecy, the ability to discern between good and evil spirits and the shield of faith and love needed to be a CHILD OF GOD.
This is for my brothers and sisters out there fighting the good fight to spread the Gospel to the lost, the sick, the weak, the hungry. Give them food that will not perish and if they eat of it they will never be hungry or thirsty again. Speak BOLDLY the words GOD places in your heart and do NOT listen to the whisperings of darkness that say you are unworthy. We are all unworthy, but it is not us that speaks but the HOLY SPIRIT through us that utters words of love, encouragement and REBUKE. we are but the instrument God uses to warn His people of their sin and how they error. Therefore REMEMBER HIS words for I am sure they have been spoken in your hearts as they have been spoken into mine, for the Holy Spirit speaks ONE Truth to all His CHILDREN:
"My child the world will not be judged by YOUR actions but by how they RESPOND to YOU and the MESSAGE I GIVE you to SPEAK, for you do not speak on your own authority but upon MINE. For you are MY CHILD and I am your GOD. So abide in MY WORDS and be at peace."
In case you haven't figured it out about ME, I believe that God's WORDS are the HOLY BIBLE.
Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment.
Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.I believe ALL of GOD's CHILDREN should speak the WORDS of GOD into people's lives.
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Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment. Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.
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Claiming oneself to be a prophet is MUCH more than just words Ananda. It is saying that I am speaking for God Himself. This is not to be taken lightly and claims of this sort today are unequivocally false. God has no need of prophets today for His Word is complete.
Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.quote]
Claiming oneself to be a prophet is MUCH more than just words Ananda. It is saying that I am speaking for God Himself. This is not to be taken lightly and claims of this sort today are unequivocally false. God has no need of prophets today for His Word is complete.
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WHAT?
If God sends YOU as His prophet to chasten US (the entire internet apparently), why wouldn't He send a prophetess to chasten YOU?
OH....perhaps He chastens you according to that special measure of faith, the of prophets while you are being perfected by Him behind the Veil in The Holy of Holies.
You are thrashing around in darkness.
WHAT?
Why is her authority as a prophet any less valid than yours?
According to this new doctrine of apostles and prophets, the prophets are subject to the prophets. Are you an Apostle also then? for only the Apostles have authority over the prophets. The prophets MUST obey the Apostles.
Perhaps this prophet-dispute belongs in arbritration here:
Wagner Leadership Institute
This ALWAYS ends up this way. Almost like God blinds them....hmmm....
A comedy of errors (that's actually a tragedy).
WHAT?
What outcome?
that you are thoroughly discredited?
If God sends YOU as His prophet to chasten US (the entire internet apparently), why wouldn't He send a prophetess to chasten YOU?
OH....perhaps He chastens you according to that special measure of faith, the of prophets while you are being perfected by Him behind the Veil in The Holy of Holies.
You are thrashing around in darkness.
WHAT?
Why is her authority as a prophet any less valid than yours?
According to this new doctrine of apostles and prophets, the prophets are subject to the prophets. Are you an Apostle also then? for only the Apostles have authority over the prophets. The prophets MUST obey the Apostles.
Perhaps this prophet-dispute belongs in arbritration here:
Wagner Leadership Institute
This ALWAYS ends up this way. Almost like God blinds them....hmmm....
A comedy of errors (that's actually a tragedy).
WHAT?
What outcome?
that you are thoroughly discredited?
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[quote=paulnsilas;423415]Scott: in your zeal to defend the "Orthodox Church", you are lending support to the "spirit" of this thread: that there are modern day prophets.
Is this your position?
Incidentally. I have some very serious issues with the EO/OC. Do you have a thread i might look at?[/quote]
Modern day prophets? People that claim to be prophets are often false prophets.
But Scripture says, if any man speak, it should be like he speaks (of) the oracles of God.
Our words should be influenced by the Holy Spirit, we must be filled by the Holy Spirit, to rightly live in the tradition of the Church and the truth of the Word of God, the Bible.
We need to experience the Scriptures as they are read and quoted in the Divine Liturgy.
The NT does indicate there are prophets in the NT era. But who prophets today might be, I can only say that the hierarchy of the Orthodox Church has a prophetic ministry, as they preach the same faith of the Apostles (St. Jude 3).
What do you mean by the "spirit" of this thread? Which thread (which post of which person), are you talking about. I don't support the statements of most of the people
who write to Christian Chat. I only agree with Cleante, Zossima, and any other Orthodox Christians who write to this site.
If you want to know what the Orthodox Church teaches about the meaning of the Scripture, go on GOOGLE and Amazon.com, or other bookstore, and purchase the following books:
Archbishop Lazar Puhalo. The Point of Faith HANDBOOK. Point of Faith Number 1. SYNAXIS PRESS, The Canadian Orthodox Publishing House, 37323 Hawkins Road, Dewdney, BC, V0M-1H0 Canada
Fr. John Whiteford. Sola Scriptura. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith. Rev. expanded edition, 1992. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
If you want to know why the Orthodox Church so fervently preaches that the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father" alone, and so fervently preaches that it is ANATHEMA HERESY to say that the Spirit proceeds "from the Son" (FILIOQUE), then read:
Saint Photios. (1987). THE MYSTAGOGY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Joseph P. Farrell, trans.
Brookline, MA: Holy Cross Orthodox Press.
God bless you.
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THE BEST INTRODUCTION TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IS
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Order from Christian Book Distributors, Peabody, MA, or on GOOGLE from AMAZON.COM
Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington Erie PA USA APRIL 2011 AD
God bless you much.
Is this your position?
Incidentally. I have some very serious issues with the EO/OC. Do you have a thread i might look at?[/quote]
Modern day prophets? People that claim to be prophets are often false prophets.
But Scripture says, if any man speak, it should be like he speaks (of) the oracles of God.
Our words should be influenced by the Holy Spirit, we must be filled by the Holy Spirit, to rightly live in the tradition of the Church and the truth of the Word of God, the Bible.
We need to experience the Scriptures as they are read and quoted in the Divine Liturgy.
The NT does indicate there are prophets in the NT era. But who prophets today might be, I can only say that the hierarchy of the Orthodox Church has a prophetic ministry, as they preach the same faith of the Apostles (St. Jude 3).
What do you mean by the "spirit" of this thread? Which thread (which post of which person), are you talking about. I don't support the statements of most of the people
who write to Christian Chat. I only agree with Cleante, Zossima, and any other Orthodox Christians who write to this site.
If you want to know what the Orthodox Church teaches about the meaning of the Scripture, go on GOOGLE and Amazon.com, or other bookstore, and purchase the following books:
Archbishop Lazar Puhalo. The Point of Faith HANDBOOK. Point of Faith Number 1. SYNAXIS PRESS, The Canadian Orthodox Publishing House, 37323 Hawkins Road, Dewdney, BC, V0M-1H0 Canada
Fr. John Whiteford. Sola Scriptura. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith. Rev. expanded edition, 1992. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
If you want to know why the Orthodox Church so fervently preaches that the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father" alone, and so fervently preaches that it is ANATHEMA HERESY to say that the Spirit proceeds "from the Son" (FILIOQUE), then read:
Saint Photios. (1987). THE MYSTAGOGY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Joseph P. Farrell, trans.
Brookline, MA: Holy Cross Orthodox Press.
God bless you.
For a free catalog of Eastern Orthodox Books write to
Eastern Christian Supply Company
PO Box 677
Etna, CA 96027
Phone 916-467-5620
THE BEST INTRODUCTION TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IS
Sparks, Fr. Jack Norman, Ph.D., ed. THE ORTHODOX STUDY BIBLE. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.
Order from Christian Book Distributors, Peabody, MA, or on GOOGLE from AMAZON.COM
Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington Erie PA USA APRIL 2011 AD
God bless you much.
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God told me this, God told me that....
I spoke to God today. God told where to park my car.
Well! I'm certainly gratefully i have a prophetess to tell me God hasn't rejected me just yet.
Please put me back on ignore (God told me you should).
I understand you completely
Just how stupid do you think I am?
This is, I really must say, some of the most apostate stuff i've ever come across.
You're negotiating with God on a moment to moment basis about what to do and say on an internet forum.
He tells you to do something, BUT: YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA!
So He says HEY! GOOD CALL! Go for it...
So...let me get this straight.
You didn't REALLY mean to say you are a prophetess (since of course you know they don't exist).
BUT....you get an idea to lay a TRAP (for VW apparently), to see if any heretics would come alongside and actually claim that title. CLEVER!
WOW. Have you ever considered a career in acting?
this is an Oscar performance! (not really...LOONYTOONS MAYBE)
So reread the statement without the words you find so offensive and you will see that it IS IN LINE with the BIBLE:
This is for those who believe that the Word of God is complete and the Bible is a sword that can cut through all lies. This is for those who are born again in the HOLY SPIRIT and have been blessed (not cursed) with the gift of prophecy, the ability to discern between good and evil spirits and the shield of faith and love needed to be a CHILD OF GOD.
This is for my brothers and sisters out there fighting the good fight to spread the Gospel to the lost, the sick, the weak, the hungry. Give them food that will not perish and if they eat of it they will never be hungry or thirsty again. Speak BOLDLY the words GOD places in your heart and do NOT listen to the whisperings of darkness that say you are unworthy. We are all unworthy, but it is not us that speaks but the HOLY SPIRIT through us that utters words of love, encouragement and REBUKE. we are but the instrument God uses to warn His people of their sin and how they error. Therefore REMEMBER HIS words for I am sure they have been spoken in your hearts as they have been spoken into mine, for the Holy Spirit speaks ONE Truth to all His CHILDREN:
"My child the world will not be judged by YOUR actions but by how they RESPOND to YOU and the MESSAGE I GIVE you to SPEAK, for you do not speak on your own authority but upon MINE. For you are MY CHILD and I am your GOD. So abide in MY WORDS and be at peace."
OH! Now it get it.
It was just an EXPERIMENT!
But....what about the above words verbatim from "Jesus" - did He really actually give you those very words to say? Or was that part of the sting operation?
I spoke to God today. God told where to park my car.
Well! I'm certainly gratefully i have a prophetess to tell me God hasn't rejected me just yet.
Please put me back on ignore (God told me you should).
I understand you completely
Just how stupid do you think I am?
This is, I really must say, some of the most apostate stuff i've ever come across.
You're negotiating with God on a moment to moment basis about what to do and say on an internet forum.
He tells you to do something, BUT: YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA!
So He says HEY! GOOD CALL! Go for it...
So...let me get this straight.
You didn't REALLY mean to say you are a prophetess (since of course you know they don't exist).
BUT....you get an idea to lay a TRAP (for VW apparently), to see if any heretics would come alongside and actually claim that title. CLEVER!
WOW. Have you ever considered a career in acting?
this is an Oscar performance! (not really...LOONYTOONS MAYBE)
So reread the statement without the words you find so offensive and you will see that it IS IN LINE with the BIBLE:
This is for those who believe that the Word of God is complete and the Bible is a sword that can cut through all lies. This is for those who are born again in the HOLY SPIRIT and have been blessed (not cursed) with the gift of prophecy, the ability to discern between good and evil spirits and the shield of faith and love needed to be a CHILD OF GOD.
This is for my brothers and sisters out there fighting the good fight to spread the Gospel to the lost, the sick, the weak, the hungry. Give them food that will not perish and if they eat of it they will never be hungry or thirsty again. Speak BOLDLY the words GOD places in your heart and do NOT listen to the whisperings of darkness that say you are unworthy. We are all unworthy, but it is not us that speaks but the HOLY SPIRIT through us that utters words of love, encouragement and REBUKE. we are but the instrument God uses to warn His people of their sin and how they error. Therefore REMEMBER HIS words for I am sure they have been spoken in your hearts as they have been spoken into mine, for the Holy Spirit speaks ONE Truth to all His CHILDREN:
"My child the world will not be judged by YOUR actions but by how they RESPOND to YOU and the MESSAGE I GIVE you to SPEAK, for you do not speak on your own authority but upon MINE. For you are MY CHILD and I am your GOD. So abide in MY WORDS and be at peace."
In case you haven't figured it out about ME, I believe that God's WORDS are the HOLY BIBLE.
Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment. Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.
I believe ALL of GOD's CHILDREN should speak the WORDS of GOD into people's lives.
Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment.
Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.I believe ALL of GOD's CHILDREN should speak the WORDS of GOD into people's lives.
It was just an EXPERIMENT!
But....what about the above words verbatim from "Jesus" - did He really actually give you those very words to say? Or was that part of the sting operation?
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Like I said I didn't understand why VW was feeling persecuted for saying he was a prophet, so I did an experiment. Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.
quote]
Claiming oneself to be a prophet is MUCH more than just words Ananda. It is saying that I am speaking for God Himself. This is not to be taken lightly and claims of this sort today are unequivocally false. God has no need of prophets today for His Word is complete.
Its just words, GOD sees our HEARTS.quote]
Claiming oneself to be a prophet is MUCH more than just words Ananda. It is saying that I am speaking for God Himself. This is not to be taken lightly and claims of this sort today are unequivocally false. God has no need of prophets today for His Word is complete.
do you make a difference between the gift of prophecy and being a prophet? I thought they were the same.
In the Bible it says that King Saul was numbered among the prophets when the Holy Spirit was upon him but he was NOT a prophet ALL the time. So I didn't know there was a difference.
1 Samuel 10:11
And it happened, when all who knew him formerly saw that he indeed prophesied among the prophets, that the people said to one another, “What is this that has come upon the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?”
I Samuel 10: 21 "and Saul the son of Kish was chosen....So they ran and brought him from there; and when he stood among the people, he was taller than any of the people from his shoulders upward....
11: 6 " then the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he hear this news and his anger was greatly aroused....
16: 14 "but the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him"
However Saul was still God's annointed and David punished the man who killed him, thus showing us that God speaks AGAINST Euthanasia.
I thought anyone who spoke the words the Holy Spirit placed in their heart was prophecies and numbered among the prophets? Is there a difference between the spiritual gift of prophecy and being a prophet?
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It was a personal revelation to me from an angel claiming to delivering a message from Jesus because I'm a high school science teacher and we are currently on the unit concerning evolution and I was having a tough time because I believe that the scientists are wrong and they teach things that go against the Bible. So they are God's words to me about that issue, but they served the same purpose.
Do you still believe in angels as messengers from God?
And yeah I argue with all voices that claim to be from God. Its called testing the spirits. I test them against the HOLY WORDS of the BIBLE and if they don't line up, contradict or get angry or impatient with me I ignore them. Love THINKS NO EVIL. I have a hard time understanding why people do things that are evil because I prefer focusing on God's love, but sometimes we have to understand that God is love AND JUST.
Like I said, can't ignore you. I was told to be nice to my brothers and sisters and even if you were an enemy I would still have to fed and clothe you, because GOD tells us to do it.
1 Corinthians 13:3-5 (New King James Version)
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
Do you still believe in angels as messengers from God?
And yeah I argue with all voices that claim to be from God. Its called testing the spirits. I test them against the HOLY WORDS of the BIBLE and if they don't line up, contradict or get angry or impatient with me I ignore them. Love THINKS NO EVIL. I have a hard time understanding why people do things that are evil because I prefer focusing on God's love, but sometimes we have to understand that God is love AND JUST.
Like I said, can't ignore you. I was told to be nice to my brothers and sisters and even if you were an enemy I would still have to fed and clothe you, because GOD tells us to do it.
1 Corinthians 13:3-5 (New King James Version)
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;