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You are right about the BDF forum.
It is full of really weird questions and even more weird answers.
I did not take your post as chastising.
It is full of really weird questions and even more weird answers.
I did not take your post as chastising.
Try to take it all with a grain of salt. Post what you feel led to post and then just let the water roll of your back.
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Yes on their part it is indeed arrogant. Firstly if you are unable to handle being in a debate and being disagreed with you shouldn't be debating and especially shouldn't play a high and mighty card. We all have different levels of understanding different views and beliefs but if anyone is arrogant enough to think that they know more than anyone else because of some theology degree or simply because to them to disagree with them is to disagree with God than it seems they have much to learn.
You can have any degree you want but if I am not mistaken the holy spirit is the only degree that actually matters
You can have any degree you want but if I am not mistaken the holy spirit is the only degree that actually matters
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Thanks for the advice, but don't worry, I have very thick skin.
I have no problem when people offer their opinion on any subject. We all have opinions.
When we discuss different subjects in the Bible, that is a different matter.
When someone has the attitude that I described in my first post, I see that as a problem because in my opinion that will blind that person from learning. We should never stop learning and should always be open to the Scripture changing our mind.
Scripture has changed my mind many times over the years because of what someone said that caused me to study a subject again.
I have no problem when people offer their opinion on any subject. We all have opinions.
When we discuss different subjects in the Bible, that is a different matter.
When someone has the attitude that I described in my first post, I see that as a problem because in my opinion that will blind that person from learning. We should never stop learning and should always be open to the Scripture changing our mind.
Scripture has changed my mind many times over the years because of what someone said that caused me to study a subject again.
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Everyone should be very careful when they attribute what they believe to the Holy Spirit leading them to that belief.
I have been in a group where several people said that the Holy Spirit revealed the answer to a question to them and each one gave a different answer on the same question.
All could not be right and all were probably wrong.
I have been in a group where several people said that the Holy Spirit revealed the answer to a question to them and each one gave a different answer on the same question.
All could not be right and all were probably wrong.
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Venture to any Bible Discussion Forum (BDF) in any Christian community and you'll find much of the same thing. Arrogance is a factor, yes. Trolling is too however. I happened on an atheist discussion site after a friend sent me a link once they learned I joined a Christian forum that was quite the array of personalities.
That particular atheist forum , and others I ended up seeking out for comparison, had one primary topic of discussion. Christianity.
One thread however was the reason my friend emailed the site link to me. It described how to be a POE, or act out Poe's Law, which was a term coined in a Christian forum, and refers to people who pose as something they're not just to get attention or cause trouble.
This particular site asked for and offered instruction on how to be a Christian POE as an atheist who joins a Christian forum in order to cause trouble there.
Defend what you know is contrary to what the Bible says, was one of the main points. Insist you're right. Claim God told you so. Things like that.
I admit I was disgusted and amused. A people who swear God isn't real really offering advice on how to pretend they believe in what they know doesn't exist. What a waste of life and time.
I would say that is a factor also to consider. Those who aren't actually in the church of faith in Christ and live to bring conflict to your attention.
As pertains to what you've encountered in this community, I'd say perhaps look at it as a blessing. Whatever you've encountered having read someone insists they know for a fact this or that, or the Holy Spirit led them to tell you this or that, seek for yourself that true answer that is found only in Gods word.
In short, if any take away is there, it is to commit yourself to Bible study to learn the truth for your self and your sake. Welcome to the community. God be with you.
That particular atheist forum , and others I ended up seeking out for comparison, had one primary topic of discussion. Christianity.
One thread however was the reason my friend emailed the site link to me. It described how to be a POE, or act out Poe's Law, which was a term coined in a Christian forum, and refers to people who pose as something they're not just to get attention or cause trouble.
This particular site asked for and offered instruction on how to be a Christian POE as an atheist who joins a Christian forum in order to cause trouble there.
Defend what you know is contrary to what the Bible says, was one of the main points. Insist you're right. Claim God told you so. Things like that.
I admit I was disgusted and amused. A people who swear God isn't real really offering advice on how to pretend they believe in what they know doesn't exist. What a waste of life and time.
I would say that is a factor also to consider. Those who aren't actually in the church of faith in Christ and live to bring conflict to your attention.
As pertains to what you've encountered in this community, I'd say perhaps look at it as a blessing. Whatever you've encountered having read someone insists they know for a fact this or that, or the Holy Spirit led them to tell you this or that, seek for yourself that true answer that is found only in Gods word.
In short, if any take away is there, it is to commit yourself to Bible study to learn the truth for your self and your sake. Welcome to the community. God be with you.
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Yes this is true as well, the issue comes when we confuse the holy spirits voice with our own and it is a very common issue in fact. To be able to rightly know and hear the holy spirit you have to learn how to listen his voice, his voice is everywhere it can be in something as profound as the holy scriptures or something as subtle as a childs laughter. It is in the flowers and tress it is in the wind that blows on your face, he can and will use anything to speak and teach to his children you just have to know how to listen.
In order to actually know and hear his voice the first and most vital thing is bond and intimacy with him, this is common knowledge yet how many say this and rightly speak what the holy spirit says? Our hearts have to lay down everything we think we know and have the heart and soul of a student, we must seek his heart every day with absolute relentless and abandon, we have to know that intense hunger, to know that kind of thirst and craving to know him and become so much closer to him.
Only then will his voice begin to become clear and he will guide you and teach you in the truth, The lord loves to use the weak and meek to teach the strong and prideful. No matter how many degrees a person thinks qualifies them no matter how experienced they think they are compared to you all the knowledge of scripture they have means nothing if they do not know his voice.
Anyone can know and post their vast knowledge and studies of scriptures but unless you take into consideration of what we know of his heart and unless you learn to truly know and hear his voice then it means nothing.
In any studies of scripture in any theolgical debate and in our own learning and growth in him we have to take on and always keep the heart of a student, we have to have the willingness and open mind to accept that we may in fact be wrong in our way of thinking, that our own views and beliefs may not be the truth of the matter.
Otherwise even if the truth is presented to us we will blind to it
In order to actually know and hear his voice the first and most vital thing is bond and intimacy with him, this is common knowledge yet how many say this and rightly speak what the holy spirit says? Our hearts have to lay down everything we think we know and have the heart and soul of a student, we must seek his heart every day with absolute relentless and abandon, we have to know that intense hunger, to know that kind of thirst and craving to know him and become so much closer to him.
Only then will his voice begin to become clear and he will guide you and teach you in the truth, The lord loves to use the weak and meek to teach the strong and prideful. No matter how many degrees a person thinks qualifies them no matter how experienced they think they are compared to you all the knowledge of scripture they have means nothing if they do not know his voice.
Anyone can know and post their vast knowledge and studies of scriptures but unless you take into consideration of what we know of his heart and unless you learn to truly know and hear his voice then it means nothing.
In any studies of scripture in any theolgical debate and in our own learning and growth in him we have to take on and always keep the heart of a student, we have to have the willingness and open mind to accept that we may in fact be wrong in our way of thinking, that our own views and beliefs may not be the truth of the matter.
Otherwise even if the truth is presented to us we will blind to it
Excellent analysis, beloved. The Holy Spirit obviously enriches our lives in countless, astonishing ways. Some folks share their gifts with joyful, prudent hearts. Other folks however thump their chests and proclaim superiority because of it, and it’s simply arrogant foolishness. Don’t ever lose sight of the simplicity of Jesus Christ.
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