Truth

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#1
Most of us are aware from countless news articles that the vast majority of climatologists believe that our current climate crisis is caused by man's use of fossil fuels. Despite this fact, there are many throughout the world who continue to dispute this near unanimous assessment by the scientific community. My question to all here now is, If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,430
6,707
113
#2
In this particular forum it may be quite advisable to take your data to God. Ask Him.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,598
17,062
113
69
Tennessee
#3
Most of us are aware from countless news articles that the vast majority of climatologists believe that our current climate crisis is caused by man's use of fossil fuels. Despite this fact, there are many throughout the world who continue to dispute this near unanimous assessment by the scientific community. My question to all here now is, If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
Not necessarily but rather having a hard time reconciling what may be true verses their own current understanding. Regarding climate change due to the use of fossil fuels, I read somewhere years ago that more harm to the environment is caused by just a single volcano eruption than all the damage ever caused in the history of mankind.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#4
In this particular forum it may be quite advisable to take your data to God. Ask Him.
I have asked the Lord for guidance in this and other issues, JamueJ. The Lord also provides us corroboration for what is occurring during the end times in His Word.
The Word in Revelation 9:20 attribute the plagues in chapters 8 & 9 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. The things mankind's hands produce today are primarily produced through industry burning fossil fuels, thereby corroborating climate change in these end times caused by humans.
The Word in Isaiah 24 describes the earth broken, teetering and tottering like a drunk, caused by the curse which mankind adheres to, thereby their breaking the eternal covenant to responsibly steward the earth.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#5
Most of us are aware from countless news articles that the vast majority of climatologists believe that our current climate crisis is caused by man's use of fossil fuels. Despite this fact, there are many throughout the world who continue to dispute this near unanimous assessment by the scientific community. My question to all here now is, If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
No. Not every deception is the direct activity of Satan.

As for the rest of your statement, it can be turned the other way just as easily. If the climate change propaganda is false, all those who believe it are "deceived by Satan".
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#6
I have asked the Lord for guidance in this and other issues, JamueJ. The Lord also provides us corroboration for what is occurring during the end times in His Word.
The Word in Revelation 9:20 attribute the plagues in chapters 8 & 9 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. The things mankind's hands produce today are primarily produced through industry burning fossil fuels, thereby corroborating climate change in these end times caused by humans.
The Word in Isaiah 24 describes the earth broken, teetering and tottering like a drunk, caused by the curse which mankind adheres to, thereby their breaking the eternal covenant to responsibly steward the earth.
Regarding the bolded section, I'd encourage you to take some training in logic. You're mistaking correlation with causation.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#7
Not necessarily but rather having a hard time reconciling what may be true verses their own current understanding. Regarding climate change due to the use of fossil fuels, I read somewhere years ago that more harm to the environment is caused by just a single volcano eruption than all the damage ever caused in the history of mankind.
While a single volcano will not do damage to the environment that the current level of industrial pollution causes, volcanic eruptions do, however, mitigate global warming for the period of time their ash cloud is in the Atmosphere. We saw this result after Pinatubo in the Philippines in the early 1990's. Likewise, there is a global earthquake set to occur at the end of the beasts reign, in which the epicenter by the great city "Babylon the Great", its smoke will ascend forever, should also mitigate the damage to the atmosphere the beasts system will have brought about on the planet.
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,430
6,707
113
#8
Luigi, you sound quite well informed by the Spirit. I tend to think in these terms. It is written more than one time in the Word that the earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing, and this sounds reasonable to me having kept my eyes aware while I have travelled the world, I see the ruin made by man. One primary example is how men have developed lands for homes, shopping centers and more in lands know to be flood plains and on lands not given a geological report. Not to mention all of the ignoring of national parklands and more.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#9
No. Not every deception is the direct activity of Satan.

As for the rest of your statement, it can be turned the other way just as easily. If the climate change propaganda is false, all those who believe it are "deceived by Satan".
Satan is the father of lies, and the deceiver of all mankind. All deception therefore originates from the spirit of darkness. All truth comes from the Lord.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#10
Regarding the bolded section, I'd encourage you to take some training in logic. You're mistaking correlation with causation.
The Word in Revelation 9:20 and Isaiah 24 attributing the damage to the environment, corroborates the cause for the climate crisis today with that of the scientific perspective.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#11
Satan is the father of lies, and the deceiver of all mankind. All deception therefore originates from the spirit of darkness. All truth comes from the Lord.
That's a dodge. You overlooked the word, "direct" in my statement. If you tell me that you are female, but you are actually male, you (not "Satan") are deceiving me, and you will answer for it.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#12
The Word in Revelation 9:20 and Isaiah 24 attributing the damage to the environment, corroborates the cause for the climate crisis today with that of the scientific perspective.
No it does not. Either you don't know the meaning of "corroborates" or you're pushing an a particular interpretation of Scripture to which I do not hold... or both.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#13
Luigi, you sound quite well informed by the Spirit. I tend to think in these terms. It is written more than one time in the Word that the earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing, and this sounds reasonable to me having kept my eyes aware while I have travelled the world, I see the ruin made by man. One primary example is how men have developed lands for homes, shopping centers and more in lands know to be flood plains and on lands not given a geological report. Not to mention all of the ignoring of national parklands and more.
And this destruction is increasing. How I see we are right now at the moment JaumeJ, is where the four angels in Revelation 7 are currently restraining the damage due the earth from fossil fuel use, until everyone is sealed with God's truth as to its cause. Once everyone is informed to the cause for the earth's destruction from fossil fuels, and everyone decides to either accept the truth or reject the truth, is when the four angels will then release the four winds, upon which 1/3 of earth's environmental resources (as depicted in Rev 8) will then result.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#14
That's a dodge. You overlooked the word, "direct" in my statement. If you tell me that you are female, but you are actually male, you (not "Satan") are deceiving me, and you will answer for it.
While I would be the one directly lying to you in the example you provide, the lie would nonetheless have come from Satan's spirit through me. Individuals who know the truth, but lie for whatever motive they have, are in effect doing so having been deceived by Satan that this was the right course of action to have taken.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#15
And this destruction is increasing. How I see we are right now at the moment JaumeJ, is where the four angels in Revelation 7 are currently restraining the damage due the earth from fossil fuel use, until everyone is sealed with God's truth as to its cause. Once everyone is informed to the cause for the earth's destruction from fossil fuels, and everyone decides to either accept the truth or reject the truth, is when the four angels will then release the four winds, upon which 1/3 of earth's environmental resources (as depicted in Rev 8) will then result.
Take your fear-mongering to the Conspiracy forum where it belongs, and stop trying to pass it off as a legitimate biblical discussion.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#16
Take your fear-mongering to the Conspiracy forum where it belongs, and stop trying to pass it off as a legitimate biblical discussion.
Fear, only by those afraid of the truth. My original question in the OP remains.
If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
#17
Fear, only by those afraid of the truth. My original question in the OP remains.
If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
With the devil and his angels masquerading as angels of true illumination (2 Cor 11:14), the answer to my question is Yes, those who claim and advocate to what is contrary to truth are deceived by Satan's false illumination.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#18
Fear, only by those afraid of the truth. My original question in the OP remains.
If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
My response is the same...

If climate change is not caused by human activity, would those who believe it is be deceived by Satan?

You're pushing a 'climate change' agenda. This is not the correct place for that. However, apparently you're going to keep pushing it, so I'll address it more thoroughly.

First, you're assuming that the futurist interpretation of Revelation is the correct one. That is an opinion, not "truth". Second, you're assuming that climate change is directly and primarily the result of human use of fossil fuels. That is an opinion, not "truth". Third, which I have already refuted, you're assuming that every deception is the direct activity of Satan, which is an opinion, not "truth".

So, even though you are not desiring a discussion about "truth" at all, but prefer speculation, I'll entertain you with a question: IF all your conditional requirements are sound, so what? If those who believe climate change is not real are deceived by Satan, so what? People are deceived about a wide range of things; why is this any more of a concern than the deception that causes people to reject Jesus as Saviour?
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#19
While a single volcano will not do damage to the environment that the current level of industrial pollution causes, volcanic eruptions do, however, mitigate global warming for the period of time their ash cloud is in the Atmosphere. We saw this result after Pinatubo in the Philippines in the early 1990's. Likewise, there is a global earthquake set to occur at the end of the beasts reign, in which the epicenter by the great city "Babylon the Great", its smoke will ascend forever, should also mitigate the damage to the atmosphere the beasts system will have brought about on the planet.
Read up on Krakatoa.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#20
If the data regarding our climate crisis is true, would not those who claim and advocate otherwise be deceived by Satan?
I definitely do not like over generalized statements but...


If climate change IS true, those that advocate otherwise are deceived by data/information/rhetoric that is false or misleading.