nephilim

[reneweddaybyday]

I have prayed long and hard about this for the Lord to open my eyes about what was written. Forget what you think you know. Understand this: elohim that was translated God in the OT actually means devine beings (plural) or heavenly beings. Now when it states in Gen 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image and after our likeness.” It states in fact, the gods said let us make man in our image and after our likeness. Now, some devine beings are humanoid. That is what it states. That is why it also states, the sons of the gods saw that the daughters of men were fair (beautiful) and took them as wives. I’m not adding to scripture. That is a direct translation. It is only assumed that extra terrestrial beings (heavenly beings, elohim) are spirit. They aren’t shapeshifters.

ok ... so your understanding is that believers married unbelievers and the result was nephilim which had to be wiped from the face of the earth because ???

and when these believers married unbelievers, some angels did something which required that God restrain them in chains under darkness ... but we don't know what these angels did ???

 

[Hungry]

ok ... so your understanding is that believers married unbelievers and the result was nephilim which had to be wiped from the face of the earth because ???

and when these believers married unbelievers, some angels did something which required that God restrain them in chains under darkness ... but we don't know what these angels did ???

Not even close. Did you read my post? If you did, read it again.

 

[bojack]

ok ... so your understanding is that believers married unbelievers and the result was nephilim which had to be wiped from the face of the earth because ???

and when these believers married unbelievers, some angels did something which required that God restrain them in chains under darkness ... but we don't know what these angels did ???

They left their first estate what they were created for, they sinned and were cast down from heaven .. They condemned themselves when they followed Satan in rebellion against God .. They also lost all concept of God .. But if you think they mated with women why not go the distance and say like Sodom and Gomorrah they transformed to men to take men as they saw fit to have homosexual relations with .. Wouldn't that hurt God and man just as much , they already have eternal existence , why would they feel the need to procreate with women ?

 

[jaybird88]

Enoch says angels mated with humans , why ? What was the reason ?

Enoch as well as the bible and oral traditions all over the ancient world. why they did it would not change the fact that it happened.

 

[jaybird88]

You have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them ? And you don't get Job either do you ? Sons of anak, did Anak come from Noah ? Joshua thought they ''anak'' were the perfect butt kicking size ..nephilim were sons of God who married daughters of men ''godless'' and took on the womens idols .. They became idolators and become as gods themselves in their own eyes .. A former knowledge of God mixed with idols to become real stinkers .. How many times has God warned of idolatry and the end results of it .. You can become possessed or oppressed with your fallen angels come in through worshipping idols ..

idols are never mentioned.
godless people get married everyday, please show me where they produce giants?

 

[bojack]

Enoch as well as the bible and oral traditions all over the ancient world. why they did it would not change the fact that it happened.

Yes you can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant ..

 

[Hungry]

Sorry I made a mistake , nephelim resulted from mixed marriages .. Sons of God ''Sethites'' married

They left their first estate what they were created for, they sinned and were cast down from heaven .. They condemned themselves when they followed Satan in rebellion against God .. They also lost all concept of God .. But if you think they mated with women why not go the distance and say like Sodom and Gomorrah they transformed to men to take men as they saw fit to have homosexual relations with .. Wouldn't that hurt God and man just as much , they already have eternal existence , why would they feel the need to procreate with women ?

Did you see this in a movie???

 

[bojack]

idols are never mentioned.
godless people get married everyday, please show me where they produce giants?

Giants are giants, pygmies are pygmies .. Men of renown , fearless , giants are men .. You don't know about God forbidding Israel time after time of allowing idol worship in ..

 

[bojack]

Did you see this in a movie???

No I read about it in the Word of God .. Cain's Lamech took two wives Adah and Zillah. his daughter was Naamah which meant beautiful .. Cain's line tells where many original crafts come from and Lamech said if Cain be avenged 7 times then Lamech 77 times .. Does that sound fierce and renown even giant when considering they were the first knowledgeable metalworkers and such ..

 

[jaybird88]

Yes you can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant ..

Giants are giants, pygmies are pygmies .. Men of renown , fearless , giants are men .. You don't know about God forbidding Israel time after time of allowing idol worship in ..

what in the world are you going on about?? these statements make no sense. they are like random gibberish

 

[Hungry]

No I read about it in the Word of God .. Cain's Lamech took two wives Adah and Zillah. his daughter was Naamah which meant beautiful .. Cain's line tells where many original crafts come from and Lamech said if Cain be avenged 7 times then Lamech 77 times .. Does that sound fierce and renown even giant when considering they were the first knowledgeable metalworkers and such ..

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like somebody trying to twist scripture because they refuse to believe what is written plainly. Why would Moses have been so ambiguous if he already had the names. He gives detailed lineage and specific events. If it was Seth and Cain he would have said that. Instead he wrote sons of the gods (direct quote) or sons of heavenly beings, or in modern terms, extra terrestrials. Do you find it interesting that every other ancient faith speaks of the gods or sun gods or star people impregnating their women and having supernatural children. In some areas they still attribute this to the divine right to rule. That is exactly what the Bible states.

 

[bojack]

what in the world are you going on about?? these statements make no sense. they are like random gibberish

You said something about the world and the stories you can find .. I don't find the world credible vs the bible.. I'm saying men come in many sizes and the tallest of pygmies are only as much as 4'11'' .. We have giants today over 7' common .. What are you going on about ?
And many pre-flood animal were giant , right ? They found an ancient unicorn fossil '' rhinoceros'' about 20' tall so it's easy to imagine pre-food giants being larger than our giants today .. I mean they even have fossils of dragonflies with about a 2 ' wingspan , were they the result of fallen angel DNA too ?

 

[bojack]

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like somebody trying to twist scripture because they refuse to believe what is written plainly. Why would Moses have been so ambiguous if he already had the names. He gives detailed lineage and specific events. If it was Seth and Cain he would have said that. Instead he wrote sons of the gods (direct quote) or sons of heavenly beings, or in modern terms, extra terrestrials. Do you find it interesting that every other ancient faith speaks of the gods or sun gods or star people impregnating their women and having supernatural children. In some areas they still attribute this to the divine right to rule. That is exactly what the Bible states.

Maybe you need to do more research .. I didn't say it was exclusively Cain or Lamech that produced nephilim, they were having sons and daughters too .. Seth had a son Enos and men began to call o the name of the Lord .. They are the sons of God who were described as ''divine messengers'' sons of God who married daughters of men and idolatry from the godless began to corrupt all mankind until only Noah was worth saving .. The book of Enoch says all nephillim offspring were 450' tall and they all had eating disorders lol ..

 

[bojack]

idols are never mentioned.
godless people get married everyday, please show me where they produce giants?

Was Joshua talking about idols here or what ?

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

 

[jaybird88]

You said something about the world and the stories you can find .. I don't find the world credible vs the bible..

your not listening, i said ancient cultures all over the world are telling the same story. explain how they all came up with the same story. i want to see 5 people go into 5 rooms, told to write a story and they all write the same story. are you understanding yet?

I'm saying men come in many sizes and the tallest of pygmies are only as much as 4'11'' .. We have giants today over 7' common .. What are you going on about ?

your comparing tall people to giants, if i had to fight a 7' guy i may not win but im not gonna wet myself and run home. when the Jews got to Canaan thats exactly what they did, lets not forget these guys had just witnessed the power of the Most High destroy the egyptian army, and now your gonna tell me after all that they are scared to death of some tall guys, i dont think so.

And many pre-flood animal were giant , right ? They found an ancient unicorn fossil '' rhinoceros'' about 20' tall so it's easy to imagine pre-food giants being larger than our giants today .. I mean they even have fossils of dragonflies with about a 2 ' wingspan , were they the result of fallen angel DNA too ?

they might be, when the Most High created the world it was "good" does a flesh eating dinosaur sound like a "good" creation, what about a praying mantis that bites the head off its mate during procreation, who came up with that idea?

 

[jaybird88]

Was Joshua talking about idols here or what ?

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

idols and gods are two different things. an idol represents a god.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them ?

I believe nephilim are exactly what God tells us:

And there were nephilim on the earth in those days (days of Noah)

and also after that:


anakim — Numbers 13:33 tells us the sons of Anak were nephilim.


emims — same as the anakim … the Moabites call the anakims “emims” (Deut 2:10-11).


rephaim — another strain of giants (Deut 2:20).


zamzummim — Ammonites referred to the rephaim as “zamzummim” (Deut 2:20).


og — he was a remnant of the rapha' — Deut 3:11 … iow og was a rephaim.


That you and I do not agree as to what nephilim is does not mean “I have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them”.

And you don't get Job either do you ?

In your Post #625, you stated:

“When Jobs sons gathered to honor their feast days they gathered at one anothers homes and invited their sisters, Satan also went in”


I asked you for chapter and verse and you provided Job 1:1-6 — Post #629.


I then asked you if God had the discussion with satan (Job 1:6) in front of Job and his family? — Post #631



Is that what you believe ... that Job 1:6 took place at a family gathering? And that God openly had a discussion with satan in front of Job and his family?

If that is the case, why didn’t Job tell his friends, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar that he was under attack from satan?

Sons of anak, did Anak come from Noah ?

Anak was a nephilim — Num 13:33.

Anak was the son of Arba — Josh 15:13.

Joshua thought they ''anak'' were the perfect butt kicking size ..

Yes, Joshua and Caleb were the only ones who had faith that God would deliver the children of Israel from the nephilim inhabiting the land.

Numbers 13:30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.


But the other ten disagreed with Joshua and Caleb:

Numbers 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.


Then the congregation believed the report of the ten over the report of Joshua/Caleb:

Numbers 14:

1 And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.

2 And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness!


And read Num 14:6-9 … Joshua and Caleb told the people that God would give victory and warned them not to rebel against God and not to fear.


Then the congregation wanted to stone Joshua and Caleb — Num 14:10.


As a result of their unbelief, God’s judgment was that, with the exception of Joshua and Caleb, no one over the age of 20 would enter the promised land (Num 14:29).


So the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years — and God fed them with manna from heaven.

nephilim were sons of God who married daughters of men ''godless''

What is so interesting about your understanding is that there are absolutely no ... none ... nada ... zip ... absolutely no nephilim which were believers.

God destroyed all nephilim and the believer fathers and unbeliever mothers.

incredible that there was not one believer ... with the exception of Noah.


And Noah was a preacher of righteousness ... warning others for 120 years while building the ark.

and none of the “sons of God” turned from their “idolatry” …


even in our day and time, some families with only one believing parent have children who believe ... and some believing parents have children who don't believe ... and some unbelieving parents have children who believe.

yet the same cannot be said of nephilim ...

Added to that is the fact that God delivered angels into chains of darkness for something that went on in days of Noah ...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Not even close. Did you read my post? If you did, read it again.

apologies ... I misunderstood your Post #640.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

They left their first estate what they were created for, they sinned and were cast down from heaven ..

and yet we know satan, the accuser of the brethren, accuses before our God day and night ...

why would they feel the need to procreate with women ?

To contaminate the bloodline of mankind to thwart the coming of the seed of the woman. God told satan the Seed of the woman would bruise the head of satan:

Genesis 3:

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


that is why they went after the daughters of men ... because God said it would be her seed Who will bruise the head of satan.

 

[bojack]

I believe nephilim are exactly what God tells us:

And there were nephilim on the earth in those days (days of Noah)

and also after that:


anakim — Numbers 13:33 tells us the sons of Anak were nephilim.


emims — same as the anakim … the Moabites call the anakims “emims” (Deut 2:10-11).


rephaim — another strain of giants (Deut 2:20).


zamzummim — Ammonites referred to the rephaim as “zamzummim” (Deut 2:20).


og — he was a remnant of the rapha' — Deut 3:11 … iow og was a rephaim.


That you and I do not agree as to what nephilim is does not mean “I have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them”.





In your Post #625, you stated:

“When Jobs sons gathered to honor their feast days they gathered at one anothers homes and invited their sisters, Satan also went in”


I asked you for chapter and verse and you provided Job 1:1-6 — Post #629.


I then asked you if God had the discussion with satan (Job 1:6) in front of Job and his family? — Post #631



Is that what you believe ... that Job 1:6 took place at a family gathering? And that God openly had a discussion with satan in front of Job and his family?

If that is the case, why didn’t Job tell his friends, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar that he was under attack from satan?





Anak was a nephilim — Num 13:33.

Anak was the son of Arba — Josh 15:13.





Yes, Joshua and Caleb were the only ones who had faith that God would deliver the children of Israel from the nephilim inhabiting the land.

Numbers 13:30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.


But the other ten disagreed with Joshua and Caleb:

Numbers 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.


Then the congregation believed the report of the ten over the report of Joshua/Caleb:

Numbers 14:

1 And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.

2 And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness!


And read Num 14:6-9 … Joshua and Caleb told the people that God would give victory and warned them not to rebel against God and not to fear.


Then the congregation wanted to stone Joshua and Caleb — Num 14:10.


As a result of their unbelief, God’s judgment was that, with the exception of Joshua and Caleb, no one over the age of 20 would enter the promised land (Num 14:29).


So the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years — and God fed them with manna from heaven.





What is so interesting about your understanding is that there are absolutely no ... none ... nada ... zip ... absolutely no nephilim which were believers.

God destroyed all nephilim and the believer fathers and unbeliever mothers.

incredible that there was not one believer ... with the exception of Noah.


And Noah was a preacher of righteousness ... warning others for 120 years while building the ark.

and none of the “sons of God” turned from their “idolatry” …


even in our day and time, some families with only one believing parent have children who believe ... and some believing parents have children who don't believe ... and some unbelieving parents have children who believe.

yet the same cannot be said of nephilim ...

Added to that is the fact that God delivered angels into chains of darkness for something that went on in days of Noah ...

Yes nephillim before and after the flood shuts your fallen angel theory down .. And yes men's every thought had become evil and God was sad he had made man .. But Noah found favor in Gods eyes .. They all went bad, Methuselah was the last son of God pre-flood to die .. The End of time will be similar but worse as we wax worse, even worse than before the flood , still no fallen angels mating with women.. That's why taking on idols is so dangerous .. Why do you keep blaming fallen angel off spring for then and can't identify this off spring of fallen angels since the flood .. The Jewish fairy tale of Enoch give names to many pre-flood fallen angels, you go ahead and name a few since .. You can't because it never happened in the first place .. Mixed marriages today, my wife was a Christian and I wasn't , she won me to Jesus .. Some never get saved, oh well !! It doesn't change anything except we now have salvation direct from Jesus and no man can pluck us from His hand .. Are you going to name some of these post flood fallen angel fathers of Anak or not ? Who was Anaks father ? He was a nephillim and that's a bible fact , right ?