1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

miknik5 · May 16, 2020

When HE ascended, He led captivity in HIS TRAIN is not talking about those in Egypt...only...it is talking about the captives in prison who had not benefitted by HIS FIRST coming and preaching the GOSPEL...

This also is why HE took back the keys to hades and death...and why the GOSPEL is for the living...and today is the day of salvation...
Those who do Not hear and believe, will have to rise in the judgment...Those who hear and believe have already passed from death to LIFE and will not come under condemnation...

Just as the WORD of GOD (John 5) clearly states...

JamOn · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

there is no doubt the Lord lead the captives away from Egypt, why would you think it has nothing to do with that? is it to line up with a train of thought

miknik5 · May 16, 2020

JamOn said:

I said NOT ONLY...but you are right...because out of EGYPT, I called my son...and the exodus is a very picture of redeeming through sacrifice a people set apart and marked by GOD.

JamOn · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

My apologies I didn’t see the only part you mentioned, and I agree it probably is a reference to a few things. but the proper translations of the two verses is clearly among just a few bibles mainly three that I’ve seen

miknik5 · May 16, 2020

JamOn said:

No worries...you reminded me of the spiritual understanding of ¨Egypt¨...so thank you....

just_truth · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

Yes, the serpent seed does not fit the said pattern...

JamOn · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

hmm the more I look into the lead away the captives, that could be applied to some more things like this verse below.

Matthew 4
19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

just_truth · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

Maybe God regrets that He allowed the Nephilims or the serpent seed that defiles His human creation, while the scriptures says otherwise...

miknik5 · May 16, 2020

just_truth said:

GOD´s VOICE/SPIRIT does not contradict HIS (written) WORD...and HIS (written) WORD does not contradict HIS VOICE/SPIRIT

miknik5 · May 16, 2020

just_truth said:

Do not go beyond what is written

just_truth · May 16, 2020

miknik5 said:

I just say MAYBE

Nehemiah6 · May 16, 2020

just_truth said:

"Many" is not the same as "all". We do not know how many, and we do not hear about these resurrected saints again (which should give us pause). But all those who were in Sheol/Hades are now in the New Jerusalem.

just_truth · May 17, 2020

REPOST#

I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;

1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.

2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.

3.) That this Nephilims did not may be started during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.

4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.

5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.

ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME.

JohnRH · May 17, 2020

just_truth said:

REPOST#

I may come to agree that these were fallen angels who sinned who attempted to defiling the Messianic bloodline by taking human women as wives and corrupting mankind, which was the reason for the flood of Noah's time. But more thing I want to emphasize the reason I made this thread. How these angels possible for them to mingle with normal persons and even to have sex with them;

1.) That these fallen angels were undergone physical birth, not possessing the other bodies of humans. I do not believe that they just only possessed human body to produce their children Nephilims. Can they make their very own sperm cell or DNA by the direct possessing to other human bodies?? Certainly not.

2.) That the possible bloodline of these fallen angels who became humans(Nephilim) are came from the line of Cain belong to the ”serpent seed”.

3.) That this Nephilims did not may be started during Noah’s time but started earlier from the offspring of Cain.

4.) That there may a truth of Darwin theory that human species originate from an ape, this may true to the line of Cain.

5.) That these fallen angels were spirits in prison is different from those fallen angels and satan himself who still gone astray have no chance for salvation.

ANYBODY WHO WILL REFUTE MY STATEMENTS IS GREATLY WELCOME.

The sons of God were 100% human and 0% angel.
The giants were 100% human and 0% angel.
The children / mighty men / men of renown were 100% human and 0% angel.
Cain was 100% human and 0% angel.
Cain's offspring was 100% human and 0% angel.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh.

just_truth · May 17, 2020

JohnRH said:

JohnRH thank you for your response, let me clarify about "The sons of God were 100% human and 0% angel'. did you mean they were not the fallen angels that transform to human(Nephilim)?

just_truth · May 17, 2020

JohnRH said:

Are all born of the flesh entitled to the plan of salvation?

Diakonos · May 17, 2020

@just_truth
Are you going to answer my question from posts # 135, 138, 142 , 144? I've been waiting for a few days.

just_truth · May 17, 2020

Diakonos said:

just_truth said:

yea, for the rebellious also

What does this have to do with Ephesians 4:8?

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just_truth said:

"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.' -John 10:16

Right, Gentiles are the other sheep.

But what does "yea, for the rebellious also" have to do with Ephesians 4:8?

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just_truth said:

. Psalm 68:18"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them."

Yes, you've already posted this.
But why are you highlighting that phrase... What does it have to do with Ephesians 4:8?

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See #132

just_truth said:

But see this verse is contrary to what you say... Psalm 68:18"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them."

I understand that you're saying that its contradicting what I am saying. But I'm asking you to explain:
1. How does that contradict what I said?
2. Why did you highlight that phrase?
3. What does that phrase have to do with Ephesians 4:8?

SORRY I DID NOT GET YOUR QUESTION, FURTHER EXPLAIN IT TO ME?

Diakonos · May 17, 2020

just_truth said:

You asked me who the captives are in Ephesians 4:8. (post #130)
I answered in post #131 (https://christianchat.com/threads/1...different-interpretations.192269/post-4253187).
Then you said that Psalm 68:18 is contrary to what I said in post #131. You emphasized the phrase "yea, for the rebellious also".

So I'm asking you to explain why you emphasized that phrase

just_truth · Jun 5, 2020

Diakonos said:

The rebellious is definitely referring to the fallen angels.

1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

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