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So, you are going to have a bible in your hands from now on. Never will you have the word alive in you?
Scripture for you. I write to you young men, because the word of God lives in you, and you have defeated the evil one.
But John did not leave it there, but he goes on to write, I write to you fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
So many believe that to hear God's voice they must be reading the bible, but in truth they are not hearing, they are just reading. When God's voice comes to us and we hear the Spirit who inspired the words in the bible, these words come alive in us, no matter where we are or what we are doing. And when we learn this, we can truly live in Jesus.
You guys think that because I say to hear His voice that it will be some strange voice from somewhere we know not where. The truth is that we know Him, and His voice, because we are His sheep. And the fear we have is doubt and fear of being exposed. But Jesus says that He is the light, and that everyone who loves the light comes to the light that their deeds might be manifest as having been wrought in God.
But the truth that converted me to a believer who wanted to know Jesus, personally and as well as He allows, was seeing the hardness of the heart that made God angry with the children of Israel, such that He swore they would never enter His rest. And so I pray and pray and ask hoping against hope that I not have a hard heart against His voice. For God's voice is for us, and it will show us His love, and change us in ways we cannot imagine, into His image, as we behold His glory. And His voice will correct and teach and lead and comfort and bless.
It is very very sad that most will not hear.
Scripture for you. I write to you young men, because the word of God lives in you, and you have defeated the evil one.
But John did not leave it there, but he goes on to write, I write to you fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
So many believe that to hear God's voice they must be reading the bible, but in truth they are not hearing, they are just reading. When God's voice comes to us and we hear the Spirit who inspired the words in the bible, these words come alive in us, no matter where we are or what we are doing. And when we learn this, we can truly live in Jesus.
You guys think that because I say to hear His voice that it will be some strange voice from somewhere we know not where. The truth is that we know Him, and His voice, because we are His sheep. And the fear we have is doubt and fear of being exposed. But Jesus says that He is the light, and that everyone who loves the light comes to the light that their deeds might be manifest as having been wrought in God.
But the truth that converted me to a believer who wanted to know Jesus, personally and as well as He allows, was seeing the hardness of the heart that made God angry with the children of Israel, such that He swore they would never enter His rest. And so I pray and pray and ask hoping against hope that I not have a hard heart against His voice. For God's voice is for us, and it will show us His love, and change us in ways we cannot imagine, into His image, as we behold His glory. And His voice will correct and teach and lead and comfort and bless.
It is very very sad that most will not hear.
A
you dont quote scripture because it would mean folks could go and look for themselves.Instead you just give your theory and if folks dont agree well the problems with us not being able to interpret you. Heaven forbid you should stand upon the word of God. All you do is say that your in accordance with scripture but you dont show it. I quote the scriptures so folks can go and see for themselves and not have to try and decifer what it is im trying to say.
you dont know me or my heart so dont think your able to because you havent been right yet.Not once have you addressed any of the scriptures. What is it you dont want to be under the authority of what scriptures teach? you want to be free to believe whatever you like huh? Jesus said He was all through the scriptures but you dont want people learning about that..why? Jesus exhorted us to know the acriptures the Apostles exhorted us to know the scriptures yet little ol you doesnt feel thats important..whom do you think i'm going to listen to our Lord or you..Sorry if you cant back up what you say with specific verse then its just your opinion.
you dont know me or my heart so dont think your able to because you havent been right yet.Not once have you addressed any of the scriptures. What is it you dont want to be under the authority of what scriptures teach? you want to be free to believe whatever you like huh? Jesus said He was all through the scriptures but you dont want people learning about that..why? Jesus exhorted us to know the acriptures the Apostles exhorted us to know the scriptures yet little ol you doesnt feel thats important..whom do you think i'm going to listen to our Lord or you..Sorry if you cant back up what you say with specific verse then its just your opinion.
I am sorry that you feel that way.
I ask what I have done to you that you should be so angry with me?
If you cannot recognize scripture, oh well.
Jesus did say that His sheep hear His voice. Do you imagine that meant only while He was here on the earth? He went on to say that if you cannot hear His voice, you are not of His sheep.
He taught later, on that night before His death, that He would not leave us alone, as orphans, but that He would come to us, that the Spirit of truth will be with us and in us. But I guess you believe that He came to us in the form of the bible, and that it took almost 400 years after He dies and rose again for it to be finished, put together in its final form. That left almost a quarter of the time since He ascended without His being here.
But I am convinced that none of my arguments will make any difference, as the teaching of faith in the bible is very strong. I have faith in the Lord I know, Jesus Christ who lives in me by His Spirit, who is the seal of my adoption as the son of God. This does not mean that I don't believe the bible. It does mean that I believe IN JESUS CHRIST, WHO LOVED ME AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR ME.
I hope that the bible works the same for you.
Good luck,
I ask what I have done to you that you should be so angry with me?
If you cannot recognize scripture, oh well.
Jesus did say that His sheep hear His voice. Do you imagine that meant only while He was here on the earth? He went on to say that if you cannot hear His voice, you are not of His sheep.
He taught later, on that night before His death, that He would not leave us alone, as orphans, but that He would come to us, that the Spirit of truth will be with us and in us. But I guess you believe that He came to us in the form of the bible, and that it took almost 400 years after He dies and rose again for it to be finished, put together in its final form. That left almost a quarter of the time since He ascended without His being here.
But I am convinced that none of my arguments will make any difference, as the teaching of faith in the bible is very strong. I have faith in the Lord I know, Jesus Christ who lives in me by His Spirit, who is the seal of my adoption as the son of God. This does not mean that I don't believe the bible. It does mean that I believe IN JESUS CHRIST, WHO LOVED ME AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR ME.
I hope that the bible works the same for you.
Good luck,
A
im not angry with you i am baffled as to why a professed believer would spend so much time trying to pursuade folks away from studying the scriptures. I never said theres no spiritual side to our walk in Christ nor have i suggested the bible is God above our Father above. I have said that the word of God is living and active and something the Holy Spirit uses in our hearts. its a miracle and gift of God to us. It is the word of life, folks meet the Saviour there they hear about the good news..I cannot understand how you can at every turn take a poke at scripture, steerr folks away from it, and minimalize its power to change and effect lives.I dont understand this thinking at all.Jesus even prayed for folks who would later believe through the testimony of the apostles IE the NT.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
How is it that Jesus values the OT and also the coming of the written testimony of the Apostles and you do not? You keep suggesting i have somehow missed the spiritual aspects of faith and the power and working of the Holy Spirit in us..I have not. They are real and how do i know they are real because they have been testified to by folks in the scriptures. and His spirit confirms it in my spirit that those things are true. How could that ever happen if folks never ever heard what the Lord said or the testimony of those who walked talked and lived with Him?
If anything ive showed in scripture how spiritual the word of God is and how powerful it is working out in a persons life. You skip the word and go into some sort of feelings based faith where there is no authority and nothing tangible you can compare and test too. You would not know about Jesus or the good news of His ressurection if it werent for scripture or being witnessed to by someone who has read it..You seem to think because i value the scriptures that that takes away from faith in God..couldnt be more wrong in fact scripture made plain by the Holy Spirit reinforces enpowers more and more that spiritual walk that ability to hear Gods voice speaking to our hearts..
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
You are exhorting people to err not knowing the scriptures..and thus neither the power of God..
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
How is it that Jesus values the OT and also the coming of the written testimony of the Apostles and you do not? You keep suggesting i have somehow missed the spiritual aspects of faith and the power and working of the Holy Spirit in us..I have not. They are real and how do i know they are real because they have been testified to by folks in the scriptures. and His spirit confirms it in my spirit that those things are true. How could that ever happen if folks never ever heard what the Lord said or the testimony of those who walked talked and lived with Him?
If anything ive showed in scripture how spiritual the word of God is and how powerful it is working out in a persons life. You skip the word and go into some sort of feelings based faith where there is no authority and nothing tangible you can compare and test too. You would not know about Jesus or the good news of His ressurection if it werent for scripture or being witnessed to by someone who has read it..You seem to think because i value the scriptures that that takes away from faith in God..couldnt be more wrong in fact scripture made plain by the Holy Spirit reinforces enpowers more and more that spiritual walk that ability to hear Gods voice speaking to our hearts..
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
You are exhorting people to err not knowing the scriptures..and thus neither the power of God..
In your words is a level of frustration with me because of my stance about scripture. Why can I say this? Because you have completely misunderstood what I am saying, which in a way proves it. I have never once told anyone in my entire life to not study scripture. Not once. But you hear that in my words that very thing. The fact is that one man I discipled actually taught himself how to read so he could study scripture to see if what I had told him was there. (He is still my dear brother in Christ, so I guess he found what he was looking for,)
What I have said is that we must have the Spirit, in every aspect of our lives, including when we seek to understand scripture. What I have said is that we believe scripture, because it is a witness to Jesus Christ. But we believe in the One being witnessed to, Jesus Himself. I have said that the knowledge of scripture is at best a beginning, that we should press on towards the mark of the high calling of God that is in Christ Jesus. And that this mark is not to become bible scholars, but rather to become conformed into the image of Jesus Christ. And I have said that we should seek with all that we are to develop a personal relationship with God, since this is the reason He sent Jesus into the world. And as scripture says, Jesus always lives to intercede for those who are drawing near to God through Him, and for this reason He is able to save them forever.
So, you have not heard my words, only what religion has shaded your mind to hear.
In Christ
What I have said is that we must have the Spirit, in every aspect of our lives, including when we seek to understand scripture. What I have said is that we believe scripture, because it is a witness to Jesus Christ. But we believe in the One being witnessed to, Jesus Himself. I have said that the knowledge of scripture is at best a beginning, that we should press on towards the mark of the high calling of God that is in Christ Jesus. And that this mark is not to become bible scholars, but rather to become conformed into the image of Jesus Christ. And I have said that we should seek with all that we are to develop a personal relationship with God, since this is the reason He sent Jesus into the world. And as scripture says, Jesus always lives to intercede for those who are drawing near to God through Him, and for this reason He is able to save them forever.
So, you have not heard my words, only what religion has shaded your mind to hear.
In Christ
i want nothing to do with this mystical brand of "hearing God's voice" and "the Bible is an idol".
i know about these practises...they lead to people claiming to be prophets and channeling spirits.
no true christian is retreating from Christ...they are waiting for Him, knowing they are sojourners in this land.
NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF HIS HAND.
but you don't believe that.
you tell them they have to hear voices.
they tell you they know Him and He knows them. but you tell them they DON'T (because they believe what He says in His word it seems).
you tell them eternal life is drawing near to God.
they tell you eternal life is a gift from God through faith in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ and when they believed He opened the DOOR to the sheepfold for them and THEY ENTERED IN.
but you do not believe that. you tell them Jesus hates their assemblies, loathes and despises their offerings and does not hear their prayers.
this is not of God.
i know about these practises...they lead to people claiming to be prophets and channeling spirits.
no true christian is retreating from Christ...they are waiting for Him, knowing they are sojourners in this land.
NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF HIS HAND.
but you don't believe that.
you tell them they have to hear voices.
they tell you they know Him and He knows them. but you tell them they DON'T (because they believe what He says in His word it seems).
you tell them eternal life is drawing near to God.
they tell you eternal life is a gift from God through faith in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ and when they believed He opened the DOOR to the sheepfold for them and THEY ENTERED IN.
but you do not believe that. you tell them Jesus hates their assemblies, loathes and despises their offerings and does not hear their prayers.
this is not of God.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and I give them eternal life, and no one can snatch them out of My hand. I and My Father are one, and no one can snTxh them out of His hand."
If you are claiming one small part of this saying by Jesus whe not claiming the rest of His saying, then you are making Him a liar. That I will have no part of.
Good luck
If you are claiming one small part of this saying by Jesus whe not claiming the rest of His saying, then you are making Him a liar. That I will have no part of.
Good luck
this is pure arrogance and so elitist vw.
now its His voice IN THEIR HEART. not too long ago He was speaking right at us through you apparently.
no matter how many times people tell you they know their Saviour, you are certain they do not.
"how will one come to know the Lord by READING LETTERS?" you ask?
if you came to know Christ by osmosis you're the only one of your kind.
God ordained the redemption of men by the preaching of the Word, not by contemplative prayer or monastic practices or journalling or channeling or muttering gibberish or crawling on your knees or pretending you've entered the third heaven or received a miraculous ordination as a new breed of believer or any other thing.
people who make the claims and say the things you have these last days are falling into a ditch....you say you are saddened. your current condition has me heartbroken vw.
stop denigrating GOD'S WORD and the POWER of the Holy Spirit to save everyone The Lord Our God shall call.
now its His voice IN THEIR HEART. not too long ago He was speaking right at us through you apparently.
no matter how many times people tell you they know their Saviour, you are certain they do not.
"how will one come to know the Lord by READING LETTERS?" you ask?
if you came to know Christ by osmosis you're the only one of your kind.
God ordained the redemption of men by the preaching of the Word, not by contemplative prayer or monastic practices or journalling or channeling or muttering gibberish or crawling on your knees or pretending you've entered the third heaven or received a miraculous ordination as a new breed of believer or any other thing.
people who make the claims and say the things you have these last days are falling into a ditch....you say you are saddened. your current condition has me heartbroken vw.
stop denigrating GOD'S WORD and the POWER of the Holy Spirit to save everyone The Lord Our God shall call.
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Where does the door lead? To a church that does not even love Him enough to allow His Spirit to be their guide and comfort and teacher? Wrong door.
And did not Jesus say what eternal life is? "And this is eternal life, that they know Thee, the only true God, and the Son whom Thou hast sent."
Turn your hatred, if you mist hate, towards those who do lie and do not practice the truth. Not every prophet is from the devil, although many of them are. And not e ery spirit is from he'll, for God Himself is spirit, and He sends His Spirit to us.
Best if you do not hate.
And did not Jesus say what eternal life is? "And this is eternal life, that they know Thee, the only true God, and the Son whom Thou hast sent."
Turn your hatred, if you mist hate, towards those who do lie and do not practice the truth. Not every prophet is from the devil, although many of them are. And not e ery spirit is from he'll, for God Himself is spirit, and He sends His Spirit to us.
Best if you do not hate.
I am sorry zone, that you feel the way you do. I have never tried to place myself on any pedestal, and I think much less of myself than even you could think of me on your worst day.
These words of yours do you nor anyone else any good. But if I can see one person who believes that God is calling them into Fellowship with Him, not supposed fellowship which is confessed because we are told by scripture we are to have this, but a living and growing relationship of a new born child of God with their Father who is in heaven; then I will suffer any abuse you wish to lay on me.
Again, good luck
These words of yours do you nor anyone else any good. But if I can see one person who believes that God is calling them into Fellowship with Him, not supposed fellowship which is confessed because we are told by scripture we are to have this, but a living and growing relationship of a new born child of God with their Father who is in heaven; then I will suffer any abuse you wish to lay on me.
Again, good luck
what you don't get is that the Holy Spirit is the GIFT, the earnest, the downpayment, the comforter that is given PERMANENTLY to everyone who hears and believes. ALL. not just special ones.
your skewed beliefs have the Holy Spirit being something that comes and goes or must be chased down or pleaded for daily.
did the Holy Spirit die on the Cross vw?
that's so unbiblical i don't even know what to say.
knowledge of scriptures is AT BEST A BEGINNING? no real man of God has EVER said such a thing. EVER. no one who truly knows God has EVER made such an outlandish statement.
the Scriptures have enough to save a simple child....and enough to keep the hungriest heart and strongest intellect partaking for a lifetime and never reach this MOUNTAINTOP you claim you've reached.
so, we are to start off with the Scriptures (as babes apparently), then move past that, pressing on to the "high calling"....and it turns out for you that high calling was PROPHET.
and we know these new prophets are to correct and guide the teachers and elders. NO. NOT TRUE.
i'd rather press on to be a bible scholar than pretend to be a prophet. even my miniscule knowledge of the Word and of My God reveals there ARE NO PROPHETS TODAY.
that's the tragic irony of all this. you never learned what you claim you did at all from Jesus Christ. thi is your imagination and it is delusion vw.
God sent Jesus into the world to save sinners.
the Holy Spirit is the gift given to all who beleive.
there's your false doctrine again: Jesus intercedes for those who are "drawing near", and for THAT reason He is able to save them forever?
because they are DRAWING NEAR? that's WHY He is able to save them?
that is so contrary to the truth. you think you get saved because you are WORKING to draw near? because you are drawing near of your own accord? that's WHY Jesus is able to save you? because you are being so GOOD?
no one (including you) has a desire to "draw near" to God without Him having made it possible.
since Pentecost that Mercy and Grace and the drawing of men to Jesus is done by the preaching of the Word. when men believe they RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST...whether you modern prophets like it or not.
New International Version (©1984)
It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
New Living Translation (©2007)
So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.
English Standard Version (©2001)
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's will or effort, but on God himself, who shows mercy.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
King James Bible
So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
American King James Version
So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy.
American Standard Version
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy.
Bible in Basic English
So then, it is not by the desire or by the attempt of man, but by the mercy of God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Darby Bible Translation
So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shews mercy.
English Revised Version
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy.
Webster's Bible Translation
So then, it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Weymouth New Testament
And from this we learn that everything is dependent not on man's will or endeavour, but upon God who has mercy. For the Scripture said to Pharaoh,
World English Bible
So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy.
Young's Literal Translation
so, then -- not of him who is willing, nor of him who is running, but of God who is doing kindness:
i have heard your words these last days.
as i said, i'm heartbroken.
your skewed beliefs have the Holy Spirit being something that comes and goes or must be chased down or pleaded for daily.
did the Holy Spirit die on the Cross vw?
that's so unbiblical i don't even know what to say.
knowledge of scriptures is AT BEST A BEGINNING? no real man of God has EVER said such a thing. EVER. no one who truly knows God has EVER made such an outlandish statement.
the Scriptures have enough to save a simple child....and enough to keep the hungriest heart and strongest intellect partaking for a lifetime and never reach this MOUNTAINTOP you claim you've reached.
so, we are to start off with the Scriptures (as babes apparently), then move past that, pressing on to the "high calling"....and it turns out for you that high calling was PROPHET.
and we know these new prophets are to correct and guide the teachers and elders. NO. NOT TRUE.
i'd rather press on to be a bible scholar than pretend to be a prophet. even my miniscule knowledge of the Word and of My God reveals there ARE NO PROPHETS TODAY.
that's the tragic irony of all this. you never learned what you claim you did at all from Jesus Christ. thi is your imagination and it is delusion vw.
God sent Jesus into the world to save sinners.
the Holy Spirit is the gift given to all who beleive.
there's your false doctrine again: Jesus intercedes for those who are "drawing near", and for THAT reason He is able to save them forever?
because they are DRAWING NEAR? that's WHY He is able to save them?
that is so contrary to the truth. you think you get saved because you are WORKING to draw near? because you are drawing near of your own accord? that's WHY Jesus is able to save you? because you are being so GOOD?
no one (including you) has a desire to "draw near" to God without Him having made it possible.
since Pentecost that Mercy and Grace and the drawing of men to Jesus is done by the preaching of the Word. when men believe they RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST...whether you modern prophets like it or not.
New International Version (©1984)
It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
New Living Translation (©2007)
So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.
English Standard Version (©2001)
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's will or effort, but on God himself, who shows mercy.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
King James Bible
So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
American King James Version
So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy.
American Standard Version
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy.
Bible in Basic English
So then, it is not by the desire or by the attempt of man, but by the mercy of God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Darby Bible Translation
So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shews mercy.
English Revised Version
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy.
Webster's Bible Translation
So then, it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Weymouth New Testament
And from this we learn that everything is dependent not on man's will or endeavour, but upon God who has mercy. For the Scripture said to Pharaoh,
World English Bible
So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy.
Young's Literal Translation
so, then -- not of him who is willing, nor of him who is running, but of God who is doing kindness:
i have heard your words these last days.
as i said, i'm heartbroken.
A
this martyr's syndrome wont wash.
"you have not heard my words, only what religion has shaded your mind to hear."
no i just have posted and responded to your own statements so have others along the way.
no one is denying the spiritual aspects of the walk nor has anyone said Jesus is not the focus..God is the author and finisher of our faith..no doubt about it..
Zone your spot on, well said.
"you have not heard my words, only what religion has shaded your mind to hear."
no i just have posted and responded to your own statements so have others along the way.
no one is denying the spiritual aspects of the walk nor has anyone said Jesus is not the focus..God is the author and finisher of our faith..no doubt about it..
Zone your spot on, well said.
If you knew scripture as the Holy Spirit teaches, you would have recognized His words in all that I wrote. You did not hear.
You say that you are heartbroken at how I have gone astray, not knowing that I have been like this, in this state and with these beliefs and words for over 17 years. Since that night when God revealed Himself to me, I have grown to love Him more than words can express.
All of you accusations I will not answer, you have done a wonderful job of twisting my words, and I will let that accomplishment stand for itself.
I really do care for you, have since we first talked on this group, but you have changed lately, become someone very different. This has disturbed my heart.
With great sorrow,
vic
You say that you are heartbroken at how I have gone astray, not knowing that I have been like this, in this state and with these beliefs and words for over 17 years. Since that night when God revealed Himself to me, I have grown to love Him more than words can express.
All of you accusations I will not answer, you have done a wonderful job of twisting my words, and I will let that accomplishment stand for itself.
I really do care for you, have since we first talked on this group, but you have changed lately, become someone very different. This has disturbed my heart.
With great sorrow,
vic
So you also say that there are no prophets of God.
And I suppose there are no prophecies either.
And I suppose that the bible is Jesus, and the reverse likewise.
And I suppose that by reading scripture, one can know God.
"You search the scriptures, because you believe that in them you have eternal life; and these testify of Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you might have life."
Good luck
And I suppose there are no prophecies either.
And I suppose that the bible is Jesus, and the reverse likewise.
And I suppose that by reading scripture, one can know God.
"You search the scriptures, because you believe that in them you have eternal life; and these testify of Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you might have life."
Good luck
Two things.....
You said, not everything God said or did is in the Bible. True.
John 21:
So what, the main message IS in the Bible, and that is all that you need to be saved. I would also love to know everything that Jesus had ever did or said, but sadly I was not there.
You also said that you had lived for years having claimed that Jesus had died for your sins, but being far from God. Then yes, you were not really saved. Because being saved consists of two things. Believing that Jesus had died for your sins AND being born again.
Romans 6 explains this so well.
You are born again. You try your hardest to live like Jesus had taught. You fail. You WILL fail. You ask for forgiveness. You try again. The only difference is, God will forgive you because Jesus has removed your sins. Before Jesus removed your sins, there was no guarantee that God would ever forgive you. He could, or he could not. It was up to him. Now he definitely will. If you believe in what Jesus had done.
I have heard people losing faith in Christ because Christians are supposedly no different from non Christians. That is, they still sin. Where is the proof that God is working in their life right? Nobody ever said that because you are a Christian you will not sin. Paul certainly never said that. He said, I do that which I don't want to do, oh wretched man that I am.
True Christians try everything in their power not to sin, and if they fail, they ask God for forgiveness through Jesus Christ. Pretty simple, to me anyway.
You said, not everything God said or did is in the Bible. True.
John 21:
So what, the main message IS in the Bible, and that is all that you need to be saved. I would also love to know everything that Jesus had ever did or said, but sadly I was not there.
You also said that you had lived for years having claimed that Jesus had died for your sins, but being far from God. Then yes, you were not really saved. Because being saved consists of two things. Believing that Jesus had died for your sins AND being born again.
Romans 6 explains this so well.
You are born again. You try your hardest to live like Jesus had taught. You fail. You WILL fail. You ask for forgiveness. You try again. The only difference is, God will forgive you because Jesus has removed your sins. Before Jesus removed your sins, there was no guarantee that God would ever forgive you. He could, or he could not. It was up to him. Now he definitely will. If you believe in what Jesus had done.
I have heard people losing faith in Christ because Christians are supposedly no different from non Christians. That is, they still sin. Where is the proof that God is working in their life right? Nobody ever said that because you are a Christian you will not sin. Paul certainly never said that. He said, I do that which I don't want to do, oh wretched man that I am.
True Christians try everything in their power not to sin, and if they fail, they ask God for forgiveness through Jesus Christ. Pretty simple, to me anyway.
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"You search the scriptures, because you believe that in them you have eternal life; and these testify of Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you might have life."
Good luck
no such thing as luck..
of course you have to believe the One in whom the scriptures were written..who is arguing that?
the rebuke Jesus was making was that they should have seen Him not that they shouldnt have studied the scriptures..
the condemnation is that they missed seeing Him..this was not a condemnation of scripture study...
Good luck
no such thing as luck..
of course you have to believe the One in whom the scriptures were written..who is arguing that?
the rebuke Jesus was making was that they should have seen Him not that they shouldnt have studied the scriptures..
the condemnation is that they missed seeing Him..this was not a condemnation of scripture study...
I think the point of this thread was to say that you should not rely only on the Bible as a Christian but listen to what God through the Holy Spirit tells you. There is nothing wrong with that. I mean the Bible does not specifically tell you how to act in your particular situation.
But you DO have to compare what you think you heard the spirit tell you, to what is written in the Bible. If its different from what the Bible says, it may actually be Satan talking.
As I said before, yes according to John 21, not everything Jesus said and did is recorded in the New Testament. That is true.
BUT, everything you need to know in order to be saved IS written in the New Testament and heck most of it is in John. And that is all that really matters. It would be physically impossible for the Apostles to write down every single thing that Jesus said, unless they had a voice recorder. But they did not need to. Its amazing that after 2000 years we still have the most important things that Jesus said. Think about it. And it has been proven archeologically that the text has not changed in 2000 years. Wow...
But you DO have to compare what you think you heard the spirit tell you, to what is written in the Bible. If its different from what the Bible says, it may actually be Satan talking.
As I said before, yes according to John 21, not everything Jesus said and did is recorded in the New Testament. That is true.
BUT, everything you need to know in order to be saved IS written in the New Testament and heck most of it is in John. And that is all that really matters. It would be physically impossible for the Apostles to write down every single thing that Jesus said, unless they had a voice recorder. But they did not need to. Its amazing that after 2000 years we still have the most important things that Jesus said. Think about it. And it has been proven archeologically that the text has not changed in 2000 years. Wow...