Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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This is when I know your Doctrine is baloney and full of holes when trying to use the Pharisee card in the year 2020 AD!
Those Jews, not the Hebrews before them where the Tanakh literally comes from, did indeed deny God. They denied God so much that the last inspired Holy Spirit writing happened 525 years before Christ. There was a great void for half a thousand years over the last remnants sin before Christ showed up. So, for you to push 3500 years of God dealing with the Hebrew People and 2,000 years of Inspired Holy Spirit writing into a single point of view reveals your lack of knowledge!
If anyone is a Pharisee, it would be YOU!
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Is this what YOU believe?
Check this TRUTH out!
What if I could prove to you the manuscripts in Aramaic, Greek, and Latin Vulgate do not make the same claim as the English KJV?
1 John 5:6-8
Aramaic:
ܗܢܘ ܕܐܬܐ ܒܝܕ ܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܡܫܝܚܐ ܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܒܠܚܘܕ ܐܠܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ
6 This is The One who came by means of The Water and The Blood; Eshu Meshikha {Yeshua, The Anointed One}. It wasn't of The Water alone, but rather, by The Water and The Blood.
ܘܪܘܚܐ ܡܣܗܕܐ ܕܗܝ ܪܘܚܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܫܪܪܐ
7 And The Rukha {The Spirit} testifies; because that One, The Rukha {The Spirit}, is The Truth.
ܘܐܝܬܝܗܘܢ ܬܠܬܐ ܣܗܕܝܢ ܪܘܚܐ ܘܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܘܬܠܬܝܗܘܢ ܒܚܕ ܐܢܘܢ
8 And there are three testifying: The Rukha {The Spirit}, and The Water, and The Blood. And these three are in One.
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nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.
Greek:
6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,
7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,
8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."
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nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.
Latin Vulgate:
6 hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas
This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.
7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant
And there are Three who give testimony
8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt
the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.
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nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.
These 3 versions are from 1600, 1500, and 1100 years BEFORE THE KJV WAS EVER WRITTEN. So why does the KJV falsey add the Father-Son-Holy Spirit when the older versions DO NOT?
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As eternally grateful said it is good but not perfect. To read the word of God in it's actual language it is written open it up far more than you can imgaine. The original hebrew text is not like any other language there is such meaning in every letter symbol number that is assigned to each letter and word that cannot be truly copied.
If I was able to I would study and lern the hebrew language just for this
If I was able to I would study and lern the hebrew language just for this
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People tend to prophesy about themselves that also is the how prophesy works. Dave has been given far more than enough instruction edifcation and guidence in many responses but he still refuses to listen, if you claim to know how God speaks yet ignore his voice when spoken to you then you have no room to be calling anyone anything or teaching about his voice prophesy or the interpretation of scripture.
I am not the best at this myself when it comes to scripture but and I was at one point in the path
Dave is on but luckily God and many others here helped me and guided me and taught me the thing is though you have to be willing to listen.
I am not the best at this myself when it comes to scripture but and I was at one point in the path
Dave is on but luckily God and many others here helped me and guided me and taught me the thing is though you have to be willing to listen.
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Just to clarify, the Father, the WORD, and the WISDOM do absolutely represent GOD!
But the true Scripture defines the Divinity (Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek)(English does not use Divinity but the Godhead) of God like this:
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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I have no real issue with Dave or Anyone here. They are all my "Family in Christ." I do have issue though knowing Constantine was a Pagan and John Calvin was a known heretic and Dave pushes their idealisms. He isn't fooling anyone here. But he has been enabled to talk down and over others who participate here. I know better to buy what he is trying to sell.
Yes I know you well enough to know you are only trying to help him as am I, the problem is that sometimes we have to be brought to a place where we break in order for God to build us up again and so far anything spoken has not peirced his heart and I worry that if he continues like this he will indeed be brought to a place where he is broken and I would rather he not have to learn that way
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The KJV I have access to states it differently: verse 7 is different.
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Genesis 1:1 -- God created
Isaiah 42:5, 45:18 - the LORD created
Job 33:4, Psalm 104:30 - the Spirit of the LORD created
John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 - Christ the Son created
the LORD is God
the Spirit is God
Christ is God
there is only one God. go ahead and check the Hebrew & Greek
Isaiah 42:5, 45:18 - the LORD created
Job 33:4, Psalm 104:30 - the Spirit of the LORD created
John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 - Christ the Son created
the LORD is God
the Spirit is God
Christ is God
there is only one God. go ahead and check the Hebrew & Greek
Amen!
And that is what the Church Fathers claim:
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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To me, this shows how intimate God is. Himself, His WORD, and His Wisdom are both internal and external in God. All 3 are connected while all 3 have their own duty. But it is all the Same God!
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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To me, this shows how intimate God is. Himself, His WORD, and His Wisdom are both internal and external in God. All 3 are connected while all 3 have their own duty. But it is all the Same God!
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