The lockdowns accomplished absolutely nothing!
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Excellent idea... 
A novel virus, no treatment and no vaccine ...yes having people collapse in the streets like they did on China and Italy is a great confidence builder for the economy.
A novel virus, no treatment and no vaccine ...yes having people collapse in the streets like they did on China and Italy is a great confidence builder for the economy.
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You are completely right Lockdowns are very effective in stopping the spread of infectious diseases as the covid. China is a great example of that. It shows that you can successfully stop the invisible killers, minimize the number of deaths and get back the economy. Obviously, lockdowns must be combined with others measures such as large scale testing, tracking, etc.
The lockdown was an immediate response from the government in an effort not to overwhelm hospitals, and at the time seemed like the right thing to do. As can be seen in the image below, in an article from hopkin's medicine written by Lisa Maragakis, M.D., the protections were out in place so that the hospitals would not be overwhelemed. This can get confusing because most people will simply get a cold and recover, however the risk groups of people who need ventilators might not be able to recieve them had the path of the virus gone accordingly to the red curve on the graph below.
However, as we can see, hospitals are empty and there is no reason for the lockdown anymore. So why do we still have it? Many states are trying to open back up, but are going ever so slowly. Why? We don't need this anymore! It's not going to do any more good! Well, according to an article from ITP net, media has a large part to play in this. In a quote from Dr Yasar Jarrar, he says "the amount feedback and speed of response from citizens that social media enables has been a major disruptor to governments worldwide". In other words, government officials are clearly afraid of the media. But why? This is because they are being singlehandedly held responsible for the deaths caused by corona virus. All it takes is a simple google search, and you have the charts of EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has died from corona. Now, when states finally reopen, there is obviously going to be a spike in corona as interactions make their way back to normal. Seeing as this virus is what gets all the clicks, the media will immediately jump on it for clicks and views and say how "the state was opened to early" and other degrading comments which tarnish the reputations of government officials. Now, if this were just people getting sik it would not be quite so bad, as so many people are so bored out of their minds that they wouldn't mind catching a cold if that meant everything would go back to normal. However, when you're being held responsible literally thousands of deaths which you cannot control, it makes a huge difference.
IN SUMMARY: The media is blaming the government officials for the deaths of corona because it gets better viewership, so they are scared to reopen because millions of people will blame them for thousands of deaths.
!DISCLAIMER! : I am not in any way saying that quarantine has not helped curb the amount of deaths and sicknesses, however I am saying that at this point there is not much we can do, and since so many people are struggling to survive without jobs, more harm is being caused by continuing the quarantine as opposed to opening things back up at least a little.
However, as we can see, hospitals are empty and there is no reason for the lockdown anymore. So why do we still have it? Many states are trying to open back up, but are going ever so slowly. Why? We don't need this anymore! It's not going to do any more good! Well, according to an article from ITP net, media has a large part to play in this. In a quote from Dr Yasar Jarrar, he says "the amount feedback and speed of response from citizens that social media enables has been a major disruptor to governments worldwide". In other words, government officials are clearly afraid of the media. But why? This is because they are being singlehandedly held responsible for the deaths caused by corona virus. All it takes is a simple google search, and you have the charts of EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has died from corona. Now, when states finally reopen, there is obviously going to be a spike in corona as interactions make their way back to normal. Seeing as this virus is what gets all the clicks, the media will immediately jump on it for clicks and views and say how "the state was opened to early" and other degrading comments which tarnish the reputations of government officials. Now, if this were just people getting sik it would not be quite so bad, as so many people are so bored out of their minds that they wouldn't mind catching a cold if that meant everything would go back to normal. However, when you're being held responsible literally thousands of deaths which you cannot control, it makes a huge difference.
IN SUMMARY: The media is blaming the government officials for the deaths of corona because it gets better viewership, so they are scared to reopen because millions of people will blame them for thousands of deaths.
!DISCLAIMER! : I am not in any way saying that quarantine has not helped curb the amount of deaths and sicknesses, however I am saying that at this point there is not much we can do, and since so many people are struggling to survive without jobs, more harm is being caused by continuing the quarantine as opposed to opening things back up at least a little.
the lockdown was never about no one getting sick. the lockdown was for not overwhelming the hospitals.
somehow , the media flipped the narrative to " we can't go back, the virus is still spreading".
but, if you look at the actual numbers, the rate of infection has drooped way off. that is the key.
somehow , the media flipped the narrative to " we can't go back, the virus is still spreading".
but, if you look at the actual numbers, the rate of infection has drooped way off. that is the key.
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no the idea in all other countries apart from USA was to stop the spread. Wear maskes wash hands keep distance.
people didn't do that well , so lock down was enforced. That worked pretty well, not perfect .
Now they removing lockdown numbers are moving up again.
Simple for all, wear a mask wash hands keep distance
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i am in georiga ( u.s), and things began re-opening about a month ago.
the rate of infection has gone down, with about 20,000 tests results coming in per day, only about 500- 800 cases a day are being found.
that is what is important , the number of positive tests found/ number of test results ratio.
so, the " numbers are going up where the lockdowns are being lifted " is a total media lie.
the rate of infection has gone down, with about 20,000 tests results coming in per day, only about 500- 800 cases a day are being found.
that is what is important , the number of positive tests found/ number of test results ratio.
so, the " numbers are going up where the lockdowns are being lifted " is a total media lie.
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The database https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/ is showing 20K a day in the US. What am I missing?
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It's simple economics. Prohibit people earning a living results in scarcity. Entire families have been devastated due to excessive restriction of freedom that is, in effect, unconstitutional.
This crisis is really about power and control.
Regarding the opinion of doctors and scientists, there was not a consensus on the best course of action, so it depends on whose advice to consider and follow. A letter signed by 600 US doctors was sent to Trump urging him end the lockdown totally as the damage it is causing such as abject poverty, homelessness, suicides, alcoholism, despair, depression, hopelessness, etc. is far worse than the cure and will manifest itself in the months and years to come dwarfing the effects of coronavirus in comparison.
This will be the true crisis.
People have already died as the result of being denied access to routine health care and medical procedures critical in maintaining quality of life and erosion of health. A lot of the deaths reported as the result of coronavirus in reality had nothing to do with the virus itself. A person admitted to a hospital with serious health issues and who happened to also carry the virus is now classified as a coronavirus death regardless of the actual effects of the virus on the patient who would have died regardless.
The lockdown in America is ending because Americans say that it is ending. Power and control. Save a life - destroy a family is the mantra that was instituted by politicians isolated in their own little world from the harmful effects of their misguided policy. They don't feel your pain but rather are the cause of it.
This crisis is really about power and control.
Regarding the opinion of doctors and scientists, there was not a consensus on the best course of action, so it depends on whose advice to consider and follow. A letter signed by 600 US doctors was sent to Trump urging him end the lockdown totally as the damage it is causing such as abject poverty, homelessness, suicides, alcoholism, despair, depression, hopelessness, etc. is far worse than the cure and will manifest itself in the months and years to come dwarfing the effects of coronavirus in comparison.
This will be the true crisis.
People have already died as the result of being denied access to routine health care and medical procedures critical in maintaining quality of life and erosion of health. A lot of the deaths reported as the result of coronavirus in reality had nothing to do with the virus itself. A person admitted to a hospital with serious health issues and who happened to also carry the virus is now classified as a coronavirus death regardless of the actual effects of the virus on the patient who would have died regardless.
The lockdown in America is ending because Americans say that it is ending. Power and control. Save a life - destroy a family is the mantra that was instituted by politicians isolated in their own little world from the harmful effects of their misguided policy. They don't feel your pain but rather are the cause of it.
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