"God loves everyone" - false

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The mere fact this world has not been destroyed PROVED God has mercy on all.
That’s not salvational mercy, it's common grace and providence. You’re making basic theological errors and conflating things, not that you’ll admit this error, accept it, agree, and learn.

No disrespect bro, but your arguments are readily dismantled. Sorry about that, just being honest. Why not just say “You know what, you’re right! Good point!?”
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Here is your initial post to which I responded, zero Scripture, and again, zero Scripture in the post you replied to prior:





Oh please. You made no facts whatsoever, just some saying with zero Scripture or truth. Now you toss one in, and it proves nothing.
so was he wrong in what he said? Did he really need to post scripture? Could you not do what most people do if they disagree and ask him why he said that, Or you disagree and share your own opinion.
 
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That’s not salvational mercy,
Never aid it was. Once again you ASSUME things,

it's common grace and providence.
Why thank you. Yes, THIS is what I was talking about. Common grace based on Gods longsuffering love for his creation. He did not just wipe us off the earth.

You’re making basic theological errors and conflating things, not that you’ll admit this error, accept it, agree, and learn.
You again have shared your opinion. Based on a false assumption, you have misread what I said, and then judged falsly what I was proposing. But I do not expect you to confess you made a mistake.

No disrespect bro, but your arguments are readily dismantled. Sorry about that, just being honest. Why not just say “You know what, you’re right! Good point!?”
Easily dismantled?

Your head is awful big, You should look in the mirror
 
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EleventhHour

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Yup, His wrath is an attribute of His justice. God is love. Amen.
Amen

One cannot state God is wrath ...one can only state according to scripture God is love... yet Love without truth and wrath is sentimentality.

Isaiah describes God as rising up in wrathful judgment "to do his work, his strange work, and perform his task, his alien task" (Isa. 28:21).

God does not lay aside His love to execute his wrath... that is a pagan God, not the God of the Bible.
 
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EleventhHour

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Could I ask my brothers and sisters to faithfully read the whole post and seek to understand, rather than have a knee jerk reaction to the thread title.
Sorry that I feel I have to say this, but the reaction I've got in other threads has been as a result of a reaction to the thread title from people who haven't sought to understand the thread content :)


There are many generalised expressions within our faith, that if you take the time to pick apart, just aren't true.
"God loves everyone" is one such false expression.
"Jesus died for everybody's sins" is another one, which is covered in another thread.

John 3:16 is always cited as support for "God loves everyone", but the verse does not say these words.
Below is the full passage that shows the context of the often referenced verse:


John 3:16:
"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God. 19 And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved"


Notice that the verse does not say "God loves everyone".
It says that whosoever believeth should not perish but have eternal life.

Verse 15 always seems to be left out of the "God loves everyone" message because it is restrictive, and does not suit the purpose of those who push the "God loves everyone" message.

"For God so loved the world" refers to the fact that Jesus was speaking to a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews (John 16:1) who believed that only the Jews were saved to the exclusion of the rest of the world. John 3:18 and 19 clear up any question about the matter.

"God loves everyone" is straight from the mind of satan and the ministers that serve him. In essence it teaches that man can lead a sinful life, violate the commandments of God daily, not fear him and still go to heaven.


At this point there may be a few people who will equate having to keep the commandments of God with preaching a 'salvation by works' doctrine, but this is not the case. Those who say this do so because they have no intention of trying to keep God's commandments, and so they seek to accuse.

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments".

John 15:14
"You are my friends if you do what I command you".

Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".


"God loves everyone" doctrine implies that man does not have to be accountable for his/her sins. It teaches that because "God loves everyone", that there is no need to fear him.

"God loves everyone", aka
"God loves and accepts everyone no matter what", "God's attributes are ONLY love and forgiveness for all", "God has no anger and is accepting of all behaviors".
False:

Rev 14:10
Jeremiah 25:15
Jude 14-15
Rev 14:11
Deut 32:22
Isaiah 30:33
2 Thes 1:6
2 Thes 1:8-9
Matthew 10:34-35
Matthew 7:21
Matthew 7:22-23
Matthew 12:30
Matthew 12:34-35
Matthew 12: 36-37
Matthew 15:8-9
Matthew 23:14
Matthew 23:15
Matthew 23:29-33
Mark 9:42-48
Mark 16:16
Luke 13:23-28
Luke 16:19-31
Luke 18:6-8
John 8:44
John 17:9
Rev 21:8
Isaiah 13:9
Isaiah 66:24
Psalms 7:11
Romans 1:18
1 Thes 5:3
2 Peter 2:9-10
Rev 6:10
Rev 6:15-17
Rev 20:12-15
Psalms 55:15


I could continue quoting scripture in order to reveal the true nature of God, which flies in the face of the "God loves everyone" doctrine, but I think 36 verses will suffice for now ;)

I just wonder why we are called to Love our enemies when God hates them ... God requires of us what He Himself does not do?
 
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I wonder why one of the fruits of the Spirit does not also include wrath and hate if they are equal attributes to His Love?
Interesting Question

Maybe one we should delve deeper into.
 

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I don't think God's wrath equates to love or hate. It is simply judgement and justice?

God is love. He is also just. He sent his Son to die for the world so that anyone who believes shall not perish. He put a condition on it... anyone who believes. God made the way. He sent his Son to die for the sins of the world and Jesus paid the price so that anyone who believes will not perish. So in my opinion, those that perish because of unbelief are simply being judged. Scripture says he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, though.
 
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It’s status quo in here again, people making up their theology on the fly, God’s wrath is really love, hell is also love.

Utter foolishness.
It is foolishness, but made me laugh out loud.

Ah, God probably laughs at my foolishness too.
 
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If God hates evil people. He hates everyone
Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone

I disagree with premise 2. For "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love" ... so those in Christ (though they sinned) have their sin imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to them. Therefore, though they have sinned, they are not evil in God's sight as they have been washed. And better still, they have the righteousness of Christ. Thus Premise 2 above fails.

The new argument is:
Premise 1: God hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone not IN CHRIST is evil
Conclusion: God does not love everyone
 
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EleventhHour

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Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone

I disagree with premise 2. For "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love" ... so those in Christ (though they sinned) have their sin imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to them. Therefore, though they have sinned, they are not evil in God's sight as they have been washed. And better still, they have the righteousness of Christ. Thus Premise 2 above fails.

The new argument is:
Premise 1: God hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone not IN CHRIST is evil
Conclusion: God does not love everyone
This is horrible logic btw...

Answer my question then ...... Post #148
 
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EleventhHour

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Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone

I disagree with premise 2. For "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love" ... so those in Christ (though they sinned) have their sin imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to them. Therefore, though they have sinned, they are not evil in God's sight as they have been washed. And better still, they have the righteousness of Christ. Thus Premise 2 above fails.

The new argument is:
Premise 1: God hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone not IN CHRIST is evil
Conclusion: God does not love everyone

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8
 
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Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone

I disagree with premise 2. For "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love" ... so those in Christ (though they sinned) have their sin imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to them. Therefore, though they have sinned, they are not evil in God's sight as they have been washed. And better still, they have the righteousness of Christ. Thus Premise 2 above fails.

The new argument is:
Premise 1: God hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone not IN CHRIST is evil
Conclusion: God does not love everyone
Once again, Your premesis are faulty
 
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My definition of God's Love:
God’s love is an intellectual disposition to favor according to the loveliness of the object (God himself and those “in Christ” being the most lovely); this is God’s “love of complacency”. God shows (love of benevolence) love to all creatures (He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust).
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Since God is impassable-- his mind cannot be emotionally disturbed -- it means that divine love is not emotional; rather, God’s love is an immutable emotion, a volition. Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. Thus, God’s love is an intellectual disposition of favor based on moral perfection (God is holy/light).

The absolute, innate holiness of God means that sinners have to be separated from Him unless a way can be found to constitute them holy. And that way has been provided in the merits of Jesus Christ. Hate is a disposition of disassociation, disfavor and judgment (darkness).

The goodness whereby he delights in himself, is the source of his delight in his creatures, wherein he sees the footsteps of himself. If he loves himself, he cannot but love the resemblance of himself, and the image of his own goodness. He loves himself, because he is the highest goodness and excellency; and loves everything as it resembles himself, because it is an efflux [outflowing] of his own goodness; and as he doth necessarily love himself, and his own excellency, so he doth necessarily love anything that resembles that excellency, which is the primary object of his esteem. Stephen Charnock

God’s love is fulfilled without us, for God enjoys his eternal beloved in the uncreated, triune relationships of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Real love hates moral evil and clings to righteousness. It is also an error to interpret “God is love” to mean God is only love…using love as a paring knife to cut away his power, justice, and wrath against sin, leaving only unconditional acceptance and positive regard, what Arthur Pink rightly disdained as “amiable weakness” and mere “sentiment.”

Αγαπαο, the highest form of love, means a “bond of unity” based on the agreement of the parties concerned: Colossians 3:14 Beyond all these things put on and wrap yourselves in [unselfish] love, which is the perfect bond of unity [for everything is bound together in agreement when each one seeks the best for others].

Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. He is morally perfect and has fellowship with the morally perfect only. (Romans 5:5b) … The ethical character of love is further defined in 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth."
 
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EleventhHour

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My definition of God's Love:
God’s love is an intellectual disposition to favor according to the loveliness of the object (God himself and those “in Christ” being the most lovely); this is God’s “love of complacency”. God shows (love of benevolence) love to all creatures (He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust).
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Since God is impassable-- his mind cannot be emotionally disturbed -- it means that divine love is not emotional; rather, God’s love is an immutable emotion, a volition. Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. Thus, God’s love is an intellectual disposition of favor based on moral perfection (God is holy/light).

The absolute, innate holiness of God means that sinners have to be separated from Him unless a way can be found to constitute them holy. And that way has been provided in the merits of Jesus Christ. Hate is a disposition of disassociation, disfavor and judgment (darkness).

The goodness whereby he delights in himself, is the source of his delight in his creatures, wherein he sees the footsteps of himself. If he loves himself, he cannot but love the resemblance of himself, and the image of his own goodness. He loves himself, because he is the highest goodness and excellency; and loves everything as it resembles himself, because it is an efflux [outflowing] of his own goodness; and as he doth necessarily love himself, and his own excellency, so he doth necessarily love anything that resembles that excellency, which is the primary object of his esteem. Stephen Charnock

God’s love is fulfilled without us, for God enjoys his eternal beloved in the uncreated, triune relationships of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Real love hates moral evil and clings to righteousness. It is also an error to interpret “God is love” to mean God is only love…using love as a paring knife to cut away his power, justice, and wrath against sin, leaving only unconditional acceptance and positive regard, what Arthur Pink rightly disdained as “amiable weakness” and mere “sentiment.”

Αγαπαο, the highest form of love, means a “bond of unity” based on the agreement of the parties concerned: Colossians 3:14 Beyond all these things put on and wrap yourselves in [unselfish] love, which is the perfect bond of unity [for everything is bound together in agreement when each one seeks the best for others].

Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. He is morally perfect and has fellowship with the morally perfect only. (Romans 5:5b) … The ethical character of love is further defined in 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth."
You still did not answer the question :unsure: